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Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Nov 13 @ 6:59 PM ET
I just think it's a long shot, like less than 1%. If Henrik is planning to retire than Benning probably sees Gagner valuable as a playmaker here since this lineup sorely lacks it. And CBJ has more than enough talent to get their PP figured out, I doubt the first thing on their GM's mind will be to trade for Gagner and his contract. If their PP is still struggling by Christmas, I bet he'll make calls around the league for rentals. Maybe Vanek would be of interest to them, not Gagner's 2 and a half years.

And plus Gagner is Tavares' bff, his value is greater off the ice

- Nucker101



I didn't address this tin foil cap theory but it is funny that CBJ's top need is a 1LC. They wanted Dutch but the price was too high. They probably have sights on JT if he becomes available. Don't know how they will make that work but sure throw in the Gagner clause whatever that is worth lol...
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Nov 13 @ 6:59 PM ET
I understand why you think it makes sense to send him back. But I have a hard time thinking that CBJ would make a move 18 games into the season to bring back a player who had a career year with them, with an additional 2.5 years in term, to fix their PP. Especially when they have such good young talent that will be there long after Gagner.

This would be like the Canucks trading for Burrows or Hansen right now because the Sedin's are slumping, instead of letting them work it out with the teammates they have

- WhiteLie

Yes it would, wouldn't it.
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Nov 13 @ 7:02 PM ET
So you are just arguing for the sake of arguing.
- Marwood


No... maybe you are... but circumstances change and they had Panarin and Dutch on their agenda.
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Nov 13 @ 7:03 PM ET
Boston kinda sucks right now. Pick and prospect for LE?
get'er done Benning!

- RealityChecker

Winnipeg could use Burmistrov if the Canucks are going to healthy scratch him.
Buffalo could use a proven netminder if the Canucks are never going to play Nilsson.
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Nov 13 @ 7:04 PM ET
No... maybe you are... but circumstances change and they had Panarin and Dutch on their agenda.
- Nuck4U

Because they didn't need nor want Gagner.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Nov 13 @ 7:06 PM ET
Russian coach Valeri Bragin
"I'm not worried about shot totals, I'm worried about scoring goals."
RealityChecker
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I stay away from the completely crazy rumours on the internet.I will occasionally debunk them-Eklund
Joined: 04.18.2010

Nov 13 @ 7:07 PM ET
Because they didn't need nor want Gagner.
- Marwood

That was 15 games ago before they realized that gagner was the straw the stirs the drink.

You can't win unless you gagner.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Nov 13 @ 7:08 PM ET
Winnipeg could use Burmistrov if the Canucks are going to healthy scratch him.
Buffalo could use a proven netminder if the Canucks are never going to play Nilsson.

- Marwood

https://www.prohockeyrumo...in-enviable-position.html
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Nov 13 @ 7:11 PM ET
Just curious, why exactly does Columbus need a scoring boost again?
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Nov 13 @ 7:12 PM ET
That Italy thing is a big deal...someone is gonna get shot...
- LordHumungous

Seriously. It's like the Canucks missing the playoffs for like 10 years in a row, except bottle up that anger all into one season.
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Nov 13 @ 7:12 PM ET
https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2017/11/winnipeg-jets-find-themselves-in-enviable-position.html
- manvanfan

If what you're implying is the Jets don't need scoring depth, I'm inclined to agree.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Nov 13 @ 7:13 PM ET
No it wouldn't.


- A_SteamingLombardi

WhiteLie
Referee
Location: When youre 7 pages behind Dont bother catching up, you will never get that time back - Codes1087
Joined: 07.26.2010

Nov 13 @ 7:14 PM ET
https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2017/11/winnipeg-jets-find-themselves-in-enviable-position.html
- manvanfan


I saw that Lebrun tweet earlier and was thinking the only thing the Canucks could realistically offer them is a goalie. The best D assets VAN has are RD and the Jets are already stacked in that position
WhiteLie
Referee
Location: When youre 7 pages behind Dont bother catching up, you will never get that time back - Codes1087
Joined: 07.26.2010

Nov 13 @ 7:15 PM ET
Just curious, why exactly does Columbus need a scoring boost again?
- neem55


Tied for 10th in league scoring and 6th in the overall standings means that having the worst power play requires a shakeup
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Nov 13 @ 7:15 PM ET
Just because you don't see the logic in it doesn't make it 1% likely. Gagner's contract is more then affordable cap wise for CBJ and they are committed to competing now. Thus, if this is a solution both sides have incentives, as laid out previously, to explore it.
- Nuck4U


Semantics. It's not likely enough to make it worth discussing.

Give me like 2 more pages of arguing, I'm almost there baby.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Nov 13 @ 7:16 PM ET
That was 15 games ago before they realized that gagner was the straw the stirs the drink.

You can't win unless you gagner.

- RealityChecker

lol nice
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Nov 13 @ 7:17 PM ET
I understand why you think it makes sense to send him back. But I have a hard time thinking that CBJ would make a move 18 games into the season to bring back a player who had a career year with them, with an additional 2.5 years in term, to fix their PP. Especially when they have such good young talent that will be there long after Gagner.

This would be like the Canucks trading for Burrows or Hansen right now because the Sedin's are slumping, instead of letting them work it out with the teammates they have

- WhiteLie


1) No one said this trade is happening now.
2) Trade brought up as option IF CBJ trend continues. Both teams can benefit.
3) CBJ is about winning now. Prospect development is secondary.
4)Add of Gagner contract is complimentary not limiting to their cap.
5)Canuck comparison makes no sense they are rebuilding & CBJ is competing.
6)This is just a possibility to explore not a sure thing or it will happen.
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Nov 13 @ 7:20 PM ET
Russian coach Valeri Bragin
"I'm not worried about shot totals, I'm worried about scoring goals."

- manvanfan

What seems ironic here is that his team isn't scoring, but he doesn't think they need to get more shots on net to score. Are there other ways of scoring other than shooting that I don't know about?

This team needs a Wayne Simmonds.
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Nov 13 @ 7:21 PM ET
Tied for 10th in league scoring and 6th in the overall standings means that having the worst power play requires a shakeup
- WhiteLie

I think if you are winning while your PP is failing that hard, you are a scary, scary team.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Nov 13 @ 7:22 PM ET
RealityChecker
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I stay away from the completely crazy rumours on the internet.I will occasionally debunk them-Eklund
Joined: 04.18.2010

Nov 13 @ 7:23 PM ET
What seems ironic here is that his team isn't scoring, but he doesn't think they need to get more shots on net to score. Are there other ways of scoring other than shooting that I don't know about?

This team needs a Wayne Simmonds.

- neem55

A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Nov 13 @ 7:23 PM ET
What seems ironic here is that his team isn't scoring, but he doesn't think they need to get more shots on net to score. Are there other ways of scoring other than shooting that I don't know about?

This team needs a Wayne Simmonds.

- neem55

Gudbranson.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Nov 13 @ 7:24 PM ET
1) No one said this trade is happening now.
2) Trade brought up as option IF CBJ trend continues. Both teams can benefit.
3) CBJ is about winning now. Prospect development is secondary.
4)Add of Gagner contract is complimentary not limiting.
5)Canuck comparison makes no sense they are rebuilding and CBJ is competing.
6)This is just a possibility to explore not a sure thing or it will happen.

- Nuck4U

1) it's never happening

2) how do you know both teams would benefit? You're just assuming he'll fix the PP and that CBJ is willing to give the Canucks a decent pick/prospect.

3) If CBJ is all about winning now they'll aim higher than Gagner.

4) Again, how do you know his contract will end up being good value?

5) CBJ is a young team, you're acting like they're sctrictly in a win-now mode

6) it's never happening
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Nov 13 @ 7:24 PM ET

- RealityChecker

OWWWW that was cheeky.

Keep you eyes on the puck.
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Nov 13 @ 7:24 PM ET
Russian coach Valeri Bragin
"I'm not worried about shot totals, I'm worried about scoring goals."

- manvanfan


A former Russian KHL coach, and world junior coach, seems like a important statement from a important man
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