Alright guys poops getting annoying...

I said 3 years ago or maybe more, that it is not too hard coaching the most talented team in league.

Team is tired of watching Q's film reviews on betamax and listening to his summer 95 mix cassette tape for motivation.

Time to turn the page.

Just watch Forsberg make some nice saves then let in a softie. What do you expect from young netminder not used to being prepared mentally - and, physically, not sharp - after too long a layoff between starts

So the great HOF coach panics and plays Crawford without even slipping Forsberg in once in the last couple weeks plus. You know it is so nice to have a good young back up but he wastes away when not allowed to be at his best when he does get a game.

Just another nail in Q's coffin..He is going to build a case against his continual coaching and it will be his fault. A good coach should be able to coach even with lesser players. A good coach motivates Kane.

Unfortunately admittingly it is a tough job when your trusted top guys are no longer top players.Seabrook, Keith, Toews are not even close to their old self a few seasons back. In a salary cap era it is difficult to stay on top; inevitably a team falls down to mediocrity or worse.

So you want to crucify Bowman after he enabled two more Cups. Sure, some bad moves. But right now it is his coach who has to go. The team is not responding with proper effort, at least most of the time

The way forward is to unload veterans and get as high a draft choice as possible. Rockford call ups will put in a better effort anyway

I will be at the game. I have a feeling that if they lose Saturday, some changes (maybe major) will be pretty quick.
- RaleighHawk

Haha cheers buddy, I'll be there too. I'm almost not sure who to root for. I don't believe the hawks will win or even compete for a cup with this current team/coach. So I almost want them to lose so the necessary changes are made early, rather than give us false hope later in the season and have another 1st rd exit.

But also the Canes are such an exciting team to watch, the game pace is just night and day compared to the Hawks... I think I'm gonna pull for another hawks embarrassment, maybe the Canes can hit 70 SOG against this putrid group. Crawford is gonna have to continue to be great in order for them to come up with a W.

Just watch Forsberg make some nice saves then let in a softie. What do you expect from young netminder not used to being prepared mentally - and, physically, not sharp - after too long a layoff between starts

So the great HOF coach panics and plays Crawford without even slipping Forsberg in once in the last couple weeks plus. You know it is so nice to have a good young back up but he wastes away when not allowed to be at his best when he does get a game.

Just another nail in Q's coffin..He is going to build a case against his continual coaching and it will be his fault. A good coach should be able to coach even with lesser players. A good coach motivates Kane.

Unfortunately admittingly it is a tough job when your trusted top guys are no longer top players.Seabrook, Keith, Toews are not even close to their old self a few seasons back. In a salary cap era it is difficult to stay on top; inevitably a team falls down to mediocrity or worse.

So you want to crucify Bowman after he enabled two more Cups. Sure, some bad moves. But right now it is his coach who has to go. The team is not responding with proper effort, at least most of the time

The way forward is to unload veterans and get as high a draft choice as possible. Rockford call ups will put in a better effort anyway
- jhawk59

Maybe it is time for a new coach.

Q is still a top coach. A new coach is not going to do any better with this group Bowman has on this roster.

Bowman needs to go before Q.

This is HIS team.

Maybe it is time for a new coach.

Q is still a top coach. A new coach is not going to do any better with this group Bowman has on this roster.

Bowman needs to go before Q.

This is HIS team.
- Goalie-33

I say you substitute Q is a good coach to Q was a good coach. A new coach is not likely to do better in the long run.

Here's one of the biggest ongoing problems, IMO - the team is addicted to the adrenaline that comes with getting behind and overcoming it to win in the last minutes of the game. (It's got to be like a drug, with a regular ol' game not being exciting enough.) They also still clearly believe their own legend that they are able to do so. You'd think the NSH series would have disabused them of that notion (and after the first couple of games, I thought it had), but no. You can still see flashes of who they are capable of being when Keith, Kane, Toews, etc. kick it into gear.

While I'm firmly on the time to move on from Q train, this is another issue that I'm not sure how you overcome.

These were telling and NOT GOOD from the team's leader (bold added):

Scott Powers‏ @ByScottPowers

Toews: We have to try and create that positive feeling in our locker room and just go out there and play loose and say hey, if we’re hitting rock bottom it can’t get any worse, then we can go out there and play loose, like we got nothing to lose."

Chris Hine‏ @ChristopherHine

Jonathan Toews: "It’s just frustrating that we wait until we’re down in games to loosen up with the puck and then everybody starts wanting it and everybody starts playing the right way and then we start creating the way we know we can."

I said early that this may be Q last spin of the wheel ,if management does not do something soon on this matter then it will be on them . This is a team that is playing to lose there coach and have been for awhile . Bring back Vinny !!!

whooooo


Have your M*m fix that wooden tooth it's really hurting my ***K!

Lets hear your fix?

Oh your on board with Stanley.

Good job!

Please DO NOT have kids!
- Goalie-33

How about - there is no fix.

It's not about what the Hawks are doing, it's about what other teams did to counter them. It's a natural progression in any sports league - a couple of teams become dominant, and the rest of the league comes up with ways to beat them. It happens to all teams.

Also, and this one cannot be overlooked - Marian Hossa is a first ballot hall of famer. When his play diminished, and now he is forced into retirement - that CANNOT be replaced - and rightfully so. And unfortunately for Hawks fans, that means their championship window has closed. And now comes the 3-4 years of hockey hell.

So all this anger and anguish about what's wrong with this team - and how to fix it - really needs to stop. An eight year championship window - with three championships to show for it is nothing to sneeze at.

This franchise has given us all some wonderful, lasting memories.

This core brought back this franchise from an absolutely HORRIBLE abyss.

Maybe instead of whining and complaining about what a LOT of tough years - with a LOT of wear and tear on some pretty special players has done, just sit back and enjoy it for what it was - and keep some perspective on it all - it's someone else's turn now.

Here's one of the biggest ongoing problems, IMO - the team is addicted to the adrenaline that comes with getting behind and overcoming it to win in the last minutes of the game. (It's got to be like a drug, with a regular ol' game not being exciting enough.) They also still clearly believe their own legend that they are able to do so. You'd think the NSH series would have disabused them of that notion (and after the first couple of games, I thought it had), but no. You can still see flashes of who they are capable of being when Keith, Kane, Toews, etc. kick it into gear.

While I'm firmly on the time to move on from Q train, this is another issue that I'm not sure how you overcome.

These were telling and NOT GOOD from the team's leader (bold added):

Scott Powers‏ @ByScottPowers

Toews: We have to try and create that positive feeling in our locker room and just go out there and play loose and say hey, if we’re hitting rock bottom it can’t get any worse, then we can go out there and play loose, like we got nothing to lose."

Chris Hine‏ @ChristopherHine

Jonathan Toews: "It’s just frustrating that we wait until we’re down in games to loosen up with the puck and then everybody starts wanting it and everybody starts playing the right way and then we start creating the way we know we can."
- pdx2ord

I don't get these comments at all. They have not come back in any game they fell behind in by "playing loose". wild piled on 4-1 and won 5-2, blues piled on 4-0 and won 5-2, vegas piled on 4-1 and won 4-2, oh and aves piled on 5-0 and won 6-3...in all these games they got a goal or two not because of playing loose but the other team pulled back...this is absurd rationalization...

since the first two games they have consistently been outplayed in the first period...despite numerous off days, this is not about being tight...this is about not being prepared with the mindset to compete, three days off again tonight and they barfed up two goals on coverage mistakes in the first and get outplayed...

completely inexcusable

PP in the bottom-five of the league, and another 0-for-4 showing tonight ...

...I think Dinnen will feel the heat before Q does. Maybe Stan continues to rid Q of his assistants as a message that he's next.

A trade at this point is absolutely necessary to wake this team up. It could be the shot in the arm that the doctor ordered.

The team has the cap space.

Message to Stan:

Yes, I agree there needs to be a plan, a scheme, something. waive 17, send Kero, Cat down to the Rock, bring up Highmore, Fortin, on offense

Sit Seabs, Franson, play 2/5 Kempny Rutta, Forsling Osterle maybe Gus

lot's of deadweight everywhere and though I don't trust Stan ask for a release
from every player (most of the deadweight) on their NMC/NTC.

The lack of passion/desire is infecting many of the youngsters.
- gazza53

This is a key point, it’s a poison!

How about - there is no fix.

It's not about what the Hawks are doing, it's about what other teams did to counter them. It's a natural progression in any sports league - a couple of teams become dominant, and the rest of the league comes up with ways to beat them. It happens to all teams.

Also, and this one cannot be overlooked - Marian Hossa is a first ballot hall of famer. When his play diminished, and now he is forced into retirement - that CANNOT be replaced - and rightfully so. And unfortunately for Hawks fans, that means their championship window has closed. And now comes the 3-4 years of hockey hell.

So all this anger and anguish about what's wrong with this team - and how to fix it - really needs to stop. An eight year championship window - with three championships to show for it is nothing to sneeze at.

This franchise has given us all some wonderful, lasting memories.

This core brought back this franchise from an absolutely HORRIBLE abyss.

Maybe instead of whining and complaining about what a LOT of tough years - with a LOT of wear and tear on some pretty special players has done, just sit back and enjoy it for what it was - and keep some perspective on it all - it's someone else's turn now.
- dahawks8819

Unfortunately this post is the truth.

If lack of effort and energy continues either Q goes or SB goes. Maybe both.
Q has been pouting since the 2015 post Cup win.

Refused to play - Daley, Fleishmen & Weiss

Clearly agitated at the Draft when Hammer was traded to Arizona.
Pissed when Kitchen was fired.

Maybe it’s Q who’s given up on the team?

Stan is not without blame either

Seabrook should have been moved not Leddy.
Then the ridiculous contract extension for Seabs
to add insult to injury.

Timinan from Philly?

Campbell and Sharp signed well beyond their best before date.

Daneault to Montreal for two guys who didn’t dress.

No return for Teravinan
Toews and Kane at best should be at 8 Million where Crosby and Mallon are.

The rest of his trading record is Ho Hum.

http://committedindians.c...as-chicago-blackhawks-gm/

I'm no kool-aid drinker, but really, anyone who didn't think it was going to be a wild ride this year was fooling themselves. Especially after that first game. Sack up gang. I'm for changing up the coach if for no other reason than it's obvious and has been for a long time that he and the GM don't see eye to eye. I have plenty more reasons but it doesn't matter. There's no more (frank) you talent to ride while the head games behind the scenes go on. And for the record, I think Dineen should be next in line.

If lack of effort and energy continues either Q goes or SB goes. Maybe both.
Q has been pouting since the 2015 post Cup win.

Refused to play - Daley, Fleishmen & Weiss

Clearly agitated at the Draft when Hammer was traded to Arizona.
Pissed when Kitchen was fired.

Maybe it’s Q who’s given up on the team?

Stan is not without blame either

Seabrook should have been moved not Leddy.
Then the ridiculous contract extension for Seabs
to add insult to injury.

Timinan from Philly?

Campbell and Sharp signed well beyond their best before date.

Daneault to Montreal for two guys who didn’t dress.

No return for Teravinan
Toews and Kane at best should be at 8 Million where Crosby and Mallon are.

The rest of his trading record is Ho Hum.

http://committedindians.c...as-chicago-blackhawks-gm/
- Colbyboy

Agree with most of this. Bowman has given Q a lot of junk to work with and Flieshman was out of the NHL soon after Bowman had given up Danault and a 2nd for him (and Weiss, who likewise wasn't a hell of a lot better), but as you say Q did, for some reason, not employ Daley.

I wasn't against getting Daley, thought it was an OK move. But it blew up. Then Bowman compounded the problem by moving Daley for a Civil War Veteran. That season ended with Daley helping the Pens win the Cup and the Hawks sending Scuderi with salary retained off in a trade for a guy who played nearly exclusively in the AHL leaving Q to having to put Eric Gustaffson and David (frank)ing Rundlad on the ice during playoff hockey. The results were not surprising. One flew over the cuckoos nest level poop there.

Q may be the only person keeping Bowman from turning the Hawks into his own personal sandbox and I worry if Bowman dumps Q he'll get his own sycophant and the Hawks will devolve into a laughing stock.

It's time to back up the truck. It's time to think about this orginization's future.

On the other hand...I have **ZERO** confidence in Stan making trades.

It's time to back up the truck. It's time to think about this orginization's future.

On the other hand...I have **ZERO** confidence in Stan making trades.
- tompo1015

Again, and no one talks about this, but with McD and the marketing machine he has, does he have input on trades and player content? I have to believe that Stan has some lines he has to follow from McD. I am not ready to blame it all on Stan.

If lack of effort and energy continues either Q goes or SB goes. Maybe both.
Q has been pouting since the 2015 post Cup win.

Refused to play - Daley, Fleishmen & Weiss

Clearly agitated at the Draft when Hammer was traded to Arizona.
Pissed when Kitchen was fired.

Maybe it’s Q who’s given up on the team?

Stan is not without blame either

Seabrook should have been moved not Leddy.
Then the ridiculous contract extension for Seabs
to add insult to injury.

Timinan from Philly?

Campbell and Sharp signed well beyond their best before date.

Daneault to Montreal for two guys who didn’t dress.

No return for Teravinan
Toews and Kane at best should be at 8 Million where Crosby and Mallon are.

The rest of his trading record is Ho Hum.

http://committedindians.c...as-chicago-blackhawks-gm/
- Colbyboy

My question to this is aren't Q and Stan talking about trades in the same room
or were they done in a vacuum? Seem's to be the latter.

Also McD marketing machine was always more important than winning
core, core core was what it was all about, giving Seabs what he got
proves it.

Hopefully they become sellers at the TDL, as constituted and with some
bringups from the Rock along with a coaching change aint gonna win us
a cup in the near future.

Agree with most of this. Bowman has given Q a lot of junk to work with and Flieshman was out of the NHL soon after Bowman had given up Danault and a 2nd for him (and Weiss, who likewise wasn't a hell of a lot better), but as you say Q did, for some reason, not employ Daley.

I wasn't against getting Daley, thought it was an OK move. But it blew up. Then Bowman compounded the problem by moving Daley for a Civil War Veteran. That season ended with Daley helping the Pens win the Cup and the Hawks sending Scuderi with salary retained off in a trade for a guy who played nearly exclusively in the AHL leaving Q to having to put Eric Gustaffson and David (frank)ing Rundlad on the ice during playoff hockey. The results were not surprising. One flew over the cuckoos nest level poop there.

Q may be the only person keeping Bowman from turning the Hawks into his own personal sandbox and I worry if Bowman dumps Q he'll get his own sycophant and the Hawks will devolve into a laughing stock.
- kwolf68

Funny stuff if it were not so true .I do though believe Stan alone does not make the trades .Scouts higher up's and coaches all have a say ,and only one person walked out of that meeting . Trades for the most part like the draft are a gamble and u are not going to win everyone . Q refusal to use Wies in the playoffs then use him when it was to late ,although a small example showed a huge disconnect between Q and the rest of the franchise IMO .I soundly believe Q time has been up for awhile .And believe Dineen is the man for the job .With a few tweaks and Crow's play this team is capable of some very good thing as constructed .GO HAWKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Haha cheers buddy, I'll be there too. I'm almost not sure who to root for. I don't believe the hawks will win or even compete for a cup with this current team/coach. So I almost want them to lose so the necessary changes are made early, rather than give us false hope later in the season and have another 1st rd exit.

But also the Canes are such an exciting team to watch, the game pace is just night and day compared to the Hawks... I think I'm gonna pull for another hawks embarrassment, maybe the Canes can hit 70 SOG against this putrid group. Crawford is gonna have to continue to be great in order for them to come up with a W.
- Toew Drags 4 Daze

he may have to be great to prevent another first period blow out.

in more than half their losses including OT...they were outplayed and out competed and never pushed back: wild piled on 4-1 and won 5-2, blues piled on 4-0 and won 5-2, vegas piled on 4-1 and won 4-2, oh and aves piled on 5-0 and won 6-3, both OT losses they forsberg got shelled, flyers (a (frank)n one line team) carried the play in both games, preds corralled them again in both games...this come down to maybe 5 of 16 games the hawks played decently win or lose...

what is going on is nothing but an extension of the preds sweep into this season less the anomaly of first to games of the season...

1. They can't transition; the slop in the is neutral zone is sick to watch
2. They get pushed to perimeter
3. And no pushback when they fall behind until the 3rd period when the game is over

to paraphrase Q with a twist: i liked our game after we fall behind 2 or 3 to zip

Agree with most of this. Bowman has given Q a lot of junk to work with and Flieshman was out of the NHL soon after Bowman had given up Danault and a 2nd for him (and Weiss, who likewise wasn't a hell of a lot better), but as you say Q did, for some reason, not employ Daley.

I wasn't against getting Daley, thought it was an OK move. But it blew up. Then Bowman compounded the problem by moving Daley for a Civil War Veteran. That season ended with Daley helping the Pens win the Cup and the Hawks sending Scuderi with salary retained off in a trade for a guy who played nearly exclusively in the AHL leaving Q to having to put Eric Gustaffson and David (frank)ing Rundlad on the ice during playoff hockey. The results were not surprising. One flew over the cuckoos nest level poop there.

Q may be the only person keeping Bowman from turning the Hawks into his own personal sandbox and I worry if Bowman dumps Q he'll get his own sycophant and the Hawks will devolve into a laughing stock.
- kwolf68

Some good thoughts here Kwolf...both are to blame. Q continues to play guys on their off side on defense and the powerplay continues to be near the worst in the league a 5 on 3 for almost a full two minutes last night. No question its time for a new voice in the room.

But look at the roster he's been handed by that Mastermind Stan. You refer to the Daley situation - point is had Bowman moved Sharp for picks Daley wouldn't have been here. The Rundblad move is still baffling - after winning a cup you know you need a 4D and your first move is to bring back Runny - Bowman should have been axed that day. After the Sharp fiasco Bowman still knows he needs a 4D and he adds three forwards. The last two of which Flash and Weise were hot garbage and cost us a really nice young center in Danault.

Look at Leddy the summer before where Bowman held onto him well past the sell date and then got fleeced (as he usually does) by this time Garth Snow. The following spring he gets rid of Shaw and has yet to replace his 'net front presence'.
And the return is another smurf forward who Stan specializes in. Meanwhile Stan continues to hand out overpays for past performance and NMCs like they're candy which has certainly effected his ability to shape the roster.

I have to agree if Q goes I have no faith in Bowman rebuilding this team and it could get really ugly.

How about - there is no fix.

It's not about what the Hawks are doing, it's about what other teams did to counter them. It's a natural progression in any sports league - a couple of teams become dominant, and the rest of the league comes up with ways to beat them. It happens to all teams.

Also, and this one cannot be overlooked - Marian Hossa is a first ballot hall of famer. When his play diminished, and now he is forced into retirement - that CANNOT be replaced - and rightfully so. And unfortunately for Hawks fans, that means their championship window has closed. And now comes the 3-4 years of hockey hell.

So all this anger and anguish about what's wrong with this team - and how to fix it - really needs to stop. An eight year championship window - with three championships to show for it is nothing to sneeze at.

This franchise has given us all some wonderful, lasting memories.

This core brought back this franchise from an absolutely HORRIBLE abyss.

Maybe instead of whining and complaining about what a LOT of tough years - with a LOT of wear and tear on some pretty special players has done, just sit back and enjoy it for what it was - and keep some perspective on it all - it's someone else's turn now.
- dahawks8819

all this is spot on...but I/we are still fans so we gripe and whine about a product that has clearly fallen hard from the top 2.5 years ago..it happens to all sports giants...

just ask the islanders of the early 80's, the oilers of the mid and late 80's, pens and habs of the 90's, redwings of the late 90's again the 2007-2009...oh and the kings recently...the hawks are channeling their 3 year demise..

ya win, ya pay for it, the cap now kills ya, players age, and not enough talent or development time to keep the mojo going...

Hawks are their own worst enemy.

They're completely incapable of playing a simplified game. The cute/forced passes aren't working--and haven't been working for a long time.