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RhinoFan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Visionville
Joined: 10.12.2015

Nov 8 @ 2:47 PM ET
I am hearing devils and vegas

if we took a bad short term contract, nucks

but botts is getting flooded with calls for Kane, 7 or 8 teams daily


the birds have been silent the past few weeks, but chirps are starting to creep in the air

- homiedclown


If the Devils stay near or at the top I can definitely see that. I'm not surprised about Kane at all. Thanks for this Homie, always appreciated.
RhinoFan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Visionville
Joined: 10.12.2015

Nov 8 @ 2:52 PM ET
What's up with McCabe?

Has been a dumpster fire this year, then out of nowhere was probably our best defender yesterday outside of Scandella.
Sabresfan-365
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lockport, NY
Joined: 12.09.2012

Nov 8 @ 2:56 PM ET
What's up with McCabe?

Has been a dumpster fire this year, then out of nowhere was probably our best defender yesterday outside of Scandella.

- RhinoFan



They removed tennyson from the equation. His worst games have all been when he was paired with him or Gorges.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Nov 8 @ 3:01 PM ET
Fine, sign Kane and trade no show Kyle in 9 months when he has no choice

We wouldn’t even miss Kyle.

- gordong

Who the hell is taking on Okposo's contract?
gordong
Location: NY
Joined: 02.06.2007

Nov 8 @ 3:14 PM ET
Who the hell is taking on Okposo's contract?
- sbroads24



From homiedclown earlier

Interesting, but wonder who would entertain the salary given his current production. Tbh, I'd keep Kane over Okposo even though he has started looking better again. Kane was always the more talented player, just a hot head. If we can move Okposo that frees up needed space for a defenseman. Hope your bird is right...and successful.
- RhinoFan

I am hearing devils and vegas

if we took a bad short term contract, nucks

but botts is getting flooded with calls for Kane, 7 or 8 teams daily
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Nov 8 @ 3:14 PM ET
Who the hell is taking on Okposo's contract?
- sbroads24



GM's have taken on worse. See Clarkson, David.
chilliard77
Location: NY
Joined: 08.23.2011

Nov 8 @ 3:15 PM ET
GM's have taken on worse. See Clarkson, David.
- buffalofan19

Twice
RhinoFan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Visionville
Joined: 10.12.2015

Nov 8 @ 3:31 PM ET
They removed tennyson from the equation. His worst games have all been when he was paired with him or Gorges.
- Sabresfan-365


True, I forget he doesn't get time with Risto or Scandella. Still, yesterday was promising. Nothing much in the pipeline, so we need him to be a serviceable NHL defender. Was beginning to wonder if I was wrong about him.
RhinoFan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Visionville
Joined: 10.12.2015

Nov 8 @ 3:33 PM ET
GM's have taken on worse. See Clarkson, David.
- buffalofan19


Good point
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Nov 8 @ 3:59 PM ET
GM's have taken on worse. See Clarkson, David.
- buffalofan19

If it's easy to trade a bloated contract , why is moulson and bogo still here? It happens, but rarely
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Nov 8 @ 4:09 PM ET
Funny how a year changes things. There's no chance of re-signing Kane to a sensible term or a reasonable salary. I can't see Bots or the Pegulas signing off on a 7+ year deal. Given what's happened with Bills recently, I just can't imagine them taking this kind of risk. Kyle's value is close to an all time low, Kane is near an all-time high. How does this team not sell high here?
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Nov 8 @ 4:16 PM ET
Funny how a year changes things. There's no chance of re-signing Kane to a sensible term or a reasonable salary. I can't see Bots or the Pegulas signing off on a 7+ year deal. Given what's happened with Bills recently, I just can't imagine them taking this kind of risk. Kyle's value is close to an all time low, Kane is near an all-time high. How does this team not sell high here?
- Lunaion



I agree 100%. The pegulas have to love what the bills have dumped. Head aches and negative press
gordong
Location: NY
Joined: 02.06.2007

Nov 8 @ 4:21 PM ET
I agree 100%. The pegulas have to love what the bills have dumped. Head aches and negative press
- Boss34


don't let that fool you if keeping kane is the best thing for the Sabres (GMJB wants to keep him) they will (history has shown they will pay whatever it takes good or bad)
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Nov 8 @ 4:27 PM ET
don't let that fool you if keeping kane is the best thing for the Sabres (GMJB wants to keep him) they will (history has shown they will pay whatever it takes good or bad)
- gordong


Take a step back, I think it's clear that Pegula is now trying avoid these types of risky quick fix moves, and repair the damage from them. Comparing Kane to Dareus might be a step too far, but there's a ton of similarity to Watkins. It's hard to ignore.
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Nov 8 @ 4:29 PM ET
If it's easy to trade a bloated contract , why is moulson and bogo still here? It happens, but rarely
- Boss34

They like Bogosian.

Moulson will be taken by a team needing to get to the cap floor, especially after the Sabres pay his roster bonus next summer.

Okposo provides more than both of those guys combined. He's not worthless, just not worth a 7 year contract.
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Nov 8 @ 4:34 PM ET
don't let that fool you if keeping kane is the best thing for the Sabres (GMJB wants to keep him) they will (history has shown they will pay whatever it takes good or bad)
- gordong


I hope they keep kane . Unfortunately he's gone. Pegulas paying jbotts, they are involved. A decision this big includes ownership.
gordong
Location: NY
Joined: 02.06.2007

Nov 8 @ 4:35 PM ET
Take a step back, I think it's clear that Pegula is now trying avoid these types of risky quick fix moves, and repair the damage from them. Comparing Kane to Dareus might be a step too far, but there's a ton of similarity to Watkins. It's hard to ignore.
- Lunaion


I don't disagree with you but I also think its based on what the current GM wants... he not going to freely hand out money to anyone but if the current GM / Coach want to keep him money wont be an issue, and I would say that is the correct way to handle it... otherwise he turns into Ralph / Golisano and we start loosing people that could've helped. (think Drury, washington, peters, and the short corner that went to the vikings... name escapes me edit---- (Winfield) etc)
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Nov 8 @ 4:36 PM ET
Funny how a year changes things. There's no chance of re-signing Kane to a sensible term or a reasonable salary. I can't see Bots or the Pegulas signing off on a 7+ year deal. Given what's happened with Bills recently, I just can't imagine them taking this kind of risk. Kyle's value is close to an all time low, Kane is near an all-time high. How does this team not sell high here?
- Lunaion

This. And they will. Botterill isn’t dumb
RhinoFan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Visionville
Joined: 10.12.2015

Nov 8 @ 4:38 PM ET
Take a step back, I think it's clear that Pegula is now trying avoid these types of risky quick fix moves, and repair the damage from them. Comparing Kane to Dareus might be a step too far, but there's a ton of similarity to Watkins. It's hard to ignore.
- Lunaion


I would respectfully disagree with this. I agree that the Dareus comparison is off, but would also say the Watkins analogy is overly critical. Watkins talked about wanting the ball more, was super injury prone and took lots of plays off. Kane doesn't complain to the media and plays balls to the wall every game. Has their been some injury concerns? Yes, but not even close to the severity of Sammy.

This isn't a resign or not argument, just nitpicking.
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Nov 8 @ 4:55 PM ET
I would respectfully disagree with this. I agree that the Dareus comparison is off, but would also say the Watkins analogy is overly critical. Watkins talked about wanting the ball more, was super injury prone and took lots of plays off. Kane doesn't complain to the media and plays balls to the wall every game. Has their been some injury concerns? Yes, but not even close to the severity of Sammy.

This isn't a resign or not argument, just nitpicking.

- RhinoFan

Fair points on Sammy. I still see a ton of similarity with the caliber of player and contract situation. The bigger issue is that he's been a source of embarrassment to the Pegulas. Terry has been very patient and free spending, but he's reacted strongly whenever he's been embarrassed. If GMTM is still here, this deal is done. Now, I see an organization moving in the exact opposite direction.

Flip side here, what is Kane's agent asking? 8x8? Whatever it is, I'm certain it's longer and higher than I'd agree to.
RhinoFan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Visionville
Joined: 10.12.2015

Nov 8 @ 5:09 PM ET
Fair points on Sammy. I still see a ton of similarity with the caliber of player and contract situation. The bigger issue is that he's been a source of embarrassment to the Pegulas. Terry has been very patient and free spending, but he's reacted strongly whenever he's been embarrassed. If GMTM is still here, this deal is done. Now, I see an organization moving in the exact opposite direction.

Flip side here, what is Kane's agent asking? 8x8? Whatever it is, I'm certain it's longer and higher than I'd agree to.

- Lunaion


Certainly there are some similarities, both players have the ability/raw talent to be super stars, but have a little too much saw dust in between the ears. I get it there, but I think when it comes to a contract, Sammy's behavior made the idea of an extension a moot point. Kane leaves the possibility open.
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Nov 8 @ 5:14 PM ET
Certainly there are some similarities, both players have the ability/raw talent to be super stars, but have a little too much saw dust in between the ears. I get it there, but I think when it comes to a contract, Sammy's behavior made the idea of an extension a moot point. Kane leaves the possibility open.
- RhinoFan


Was sammy's "behavior " worse than kane's?
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Unpopular opinion (i think): The best Die Hard movie is the 4th one- Live free or Die Hard -jdfitz7, NY
Joined: 10.07.2010

Nov 8 @ 5:17 PM ET
They can have him! Payback for Hodgson!!!
- Da_Cashman


This is not me saying Hodgson was good, but how many times did Kassian lead the Canucks in points?

We easily won that trade. People forget that Sulzer actually played for us and wasn't an anchor, he was a positive(barely) relative player for us in 57 games. Gragnani played a whopping 14 games for Vancouver and 19 total after Buffalo.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Nov 8 @ 5:19 PM ET
This is not me saying Hodgson was good, but how many times did Kassian lead the Canucks in points?

We easily won that trade. People forget that Sulzer actually played for us and wasn't an anchor, he was a positive(barely) relative player for us in 57 games. Gragnani played a whopping 14 games for Vancouver and 19 total after Buffalo.

- Wetbandit1

Niether the Canucks or Sabres got a single important game out of Kassian or Hodgson. IMO it’s a wash
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Nov 8 @ 5:25 PM ET
This is not me saying Hodgson was good, but how many times did Kassian lead the Canucks in points?

We easily won that trade. People forget that Sulzer actually played for us and wasn't an anchor, he was a positive(barely) relative player for us in 57 games. Gragnani played a whopping 14 games for Vancouver and 19 total after Buffalo.

- Wetbandit1


Hodgson won the trade he's still getting paid.

Not sure about the sabres easily winning it.
Kassian could still get his name on the cup. Western conference finals last year right?
Pretty sure cody's chances of winning the cup sailed a few years ago.

We probably did "beat" Vancouver in the trade, but player wise, pretty even
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