All signs point to Turris not re-signing..
- corbechev

Agreed - I honestly don't think there is any way Dorion does this deal if that isn't a fact, call him what you want but I don't think he's stupid.

I don't think we "won" this deal but I don't think we lost either, kind of a wash at the end of the day. Maybe Duchene has a spark with some of our top-6 and we end up with one of the more dynamic top lines in the league? Who knows, we will find out in a few months. Kyle Turris is extremely underrated though, that really hurts but being able to pull off this deal without getting rid of any of our top prospects is a big win for Dorion.

They wanted Duchene and got him. Late 1st rounders are way overvalued. For every Corey Perry there are 5 or 6 Jim O’Brien’s. It was apparent Turris wasn’t in the long term plans.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

Only due to future cap cost.
Duchene will cost more that 6 per.
Good short term deal....but long term..dunno...unless you sign him.

The way I see it is that Dorion was pretty handcuffed here.

Turris was not coming back (just because he took 6x6 in Nash, doesn't mean he would have taken the same in Ottawa). 6M/yr in Nashville nets 800K/yr more than it does in Ottawa. Taxes are way lower there.

So 6M there is almost 7.5M here. Turris is not worth that.

The jury is out on whether he is worth 6x6, but he sure as hell isn't worth 7(+)x6.

So Dorion had to make a decision. If he waits too long to trade the guy, he's left dealing him at the deadline. You're not getting a quality player back for Turris (someone who can help us in the playoffs) at the deadline. Any team trading for him at that point doesn't want to delete from their lineup. Turris would have fetched picks/prospects at the deadline.

So what would have happened? We likely would have held onto him and he would have 1. walked in the summer or 2. got overpaid.

Dorion was kinda screwed.

It's obvious he overpaid for Duchene, but the other options - trading for picks/prospects, letting him walk or overpaying him - were worse.

I feel like Dorion did as good as he could have with the hand he was dealt.

Only time will tell how this ultimately ends up, but like most I will both miss Turris, and am excited to see what Duchene can do here.

What is humorous (but somewhat expected) is all of those who are trying to tear down the deal to make themselves feel better

The amount of times that we saw ppl in here saying that Duchene is so good, there's no way that OTT gets Duchene for a crappy pkg like Ceci+White + a 1st, any deal would have to include Chabot etc..

Taking into account that it became clear that Turris wouldn't resign for less than 7 or 8 years here, they would likely have had to trade him for futures at the TDL, which does not help OTT because they want to be in win now mode.

OTT will be better for the next two years, and if Bowers and the less-than-high-percentage picks happen to turn out more like Lazars than Stones, then it was a worthwhile gamble.

I also think some people are upset that since OTT is now very close to the cap, they will have to put a little more effort into the classic "budget team" attempt at an insult

The way I see it is that Dorion was pretty handcuffed here.

Turris was not coming back (just because he took 6x6 in Nash, doesn't mean he would have taken the same in Ottawa). 6M/yr in Nashville nets 800K/yr more than it does in Ottawa. Taxes are way lower there.

So 6M there is almost 7.5M here. Turris is not worth that.

The jury is out on whether he is worth 6x6, but he sure as hell isn't worth 7(+)x6.

So Dorion had to make a decision. If he waits too long to trade the guy, he's left dealing him at the deadline. You're not getting a quality player back for Turris (someone who can help us in the playoffs) at the deadline. Any team trading for him at that point doesn't want to delete from their lineup. Turris would have fetched picks/prospects at the deadline.

So what would have happened? We likely would have held onto him and he would have 1. walked in the summer or 2. got overpaid.

Dorion was kinda screwed.

It's obvious he overpaid for Duchene, but the other options - trading for picks/prospects, letting him walk or overpaying him - were worse.

I feel like Dorion did as good as he could have with the hand he was dealt.
- Charliebox

did he really overpay?

let's say that adding hammond deletes the 3rd (i'd easily pay a 3rd to dump that cap hit).....so don't even count those 2 assets

duchene for a UFA who wasn't going to sign here, a prospect who was at minimum 3 years away from making this roster (if he ever would have), and a pick that's likely in the 20's but is top 10 protected if the sens poop the bed.

i don't think they overpaid at all

Not much, slightly more offense possibly.
- DutchSenators

Not worth a 1st, 2nd anda prospect.

Sorry, could of used those assets for something better than just a lateral move

Dorion was able to get Duchene without giving up Chabot, White, or Brown? That’s a win in my book.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

Agreed... plus, Dorion also managed to simultaneously take care of the Turris UFA situation without leaving the team in trade deadline pinch for even a single game, and take care of Hammond making $1.5M in the AHL. Meanwhile, Colorado didn't get a single premium asset in the trade, after waiting over a year to make a deal.

People seldom seem to understand the larger context of these trades... like Leafs fans who still don't seem to process that they already paid for 1/4 of Phaneuf's remaining contract.

The way I see it is that Dorion was pretty handcuffed here.

Turris was not coming back (just because he took 6x6 in Nash, doesn't mean he would have taken the same in Ottawa). 6M/yr in Nashville nets 800K/yr more than it does in Ottawa. Taxes are way lower there.

So 6M there is almost 7.5M here. Turris is not worth that.

The jury is out on whether he is worth 6x6, but he sure as hell isn't worth 7(+)x6.

So Dorion had to make a decision. If he waits too long to trade the guy, he's left dealing him at the deadline. You're not getting a quality player back for Turris (someone who can help us in the playoffs) at the deadline. Any team trading for him at that point doesn't want to delete from their lineup. Turris would have fetched picks/prospects at the deadline.

So what would have happened? We likely would have held onto him and he would have 1. walked in the summer or 2. got overpaid.

Dorion was kinda screwed.

It's obvious he overpaid for Duchene, but the other options - trading for picks/prospects, letting him walk or overpaying him - were worse.

I feel like Dorion did as good as he could have with the hand he was dealt.
- Charliebox

A 1st,3rd and a prospect can get you a lot more at the deadline.

Turris + a Shattenkirk>Duchene

Could even of traded for Neal with that.

Bad trade

did he really overpay?

let's say that adding hammond deletes the 3rd (i'd easily pay a 3rd to dump that cap hit).....so don't even count those 2 assets

duchene for a UFA who wasn't going to sign here, a prospect who was at minimum 3 years away from making this roster (if he ever would have), and a pick that's likely in the 20's but is top 10 protected if the sens poop the bed.

i don't think they overpaid at all
- sensarmy_11

Yes he overpaid.

First of all, Hammond for a 3rd is ludicrous. You have been drinking too much Eugene Melnyk kool aid. The Sens do not have cap troubles this year. Hammond is off the books after this season.

It's one thing to do it to help with cap space (to then spend later on players). It's another entirely to just save the money.

Ottawa is the only team in the league who dumps draft picks to save money (Zibby trade and now this).

As for the other pieces. I feel like Duchene, while better than Turris, is not so much better that we would be giving up essentially two first rounders as well as Turris. Turris +1st should have been enough to get it done. Or Turris + Bowers and a later draft pick.

But like I said, if I'm Dorion, I'm still making that deal. I'm not ripping him. If another team swoops in and overpays even more and we lose out on Duchene, we are stuck with Turris and the scenario I detailed earlier plays out.

A 1st,3rd and a prospect can get you a lot more at the deadline.

Turris + a Shattenkirk>Duchene

Could even of traded for Neal with that.

Bad trade
- Santo_44

except that turris, shattenkirk, neal, or any other rental that ottawa got woudln't have re-signed in teh summer.....we gave up assets for this year, next year, and the possibility of more down the line.

if ottawa had given up those assets for a rental then i would hope that dorion would lose his job

A 1st,3rd and a prospect can get you a lot more at the deadline.

Turris + a Shattenkirk>Duchene

Could even of traded for Neal with that.

Bad trade
- Santo_44

How does that help for next season? You know full well that if OTT had held onto Turris, fail to win the Cup and Turris walks as UFA, all of you trolls would be in here saying that Dorion should have traded Turris when he could, blah blah. Also, if this deal ends up turning into two Curtis Lazars, and a 3rd to dump our 8th string goalie's contract, for a couple (or more) of good years with Duchene, the objective people are all good with that.

How does that help for next season? You know full well that if OTT had held onto Turris, fail to win the Cup and Turris walks as UFA, all of you trolls would be in here saying that Dorion should have traded Turris when he could, blah blah. Also, if this deal ends up turning into two Curtis Lazars, and a 3rd to dump our 8th string goalie's contract, for a couple (or more) of good years with Duchene, the objective people are all good with that.
- wilkobecks

Duchene is getting more money than 6x6. He is a big name.

It was a lateral move where you swapped centers...someone was going to overpay for Duchene I guess it was Ottawa

except that turris, shattenkirk, neal, or any other rental that ottawa got woudln't have re-signed in teh summer.....we gave up assets for this year, next year, and the possibility of more down the line.

if ottawa had given up those assets for a rental then i would hope that dorion would lose his job
- sensarmy_11

I love how a rental like Neal wouldn't resign but Duchene will.

I love how a rental like Neal wouldn't resign but Duchene will.
- Santo_44

except he's not a rental.....he's signed through the end of NEXT season, not this season.

i can draw a picture for you if you want .

Duchene is getting more money than 6x6. He is a big name.

It was a lateral move where you swapped centers...someone was going to overpay for Duchene I guess it was Ottawa
- Santo_44

Duchene will get more money than Turris and that's fine. Take a hike and try to figure out what the Leafs need to fix instead of dissecting all of the "what if's" in this one, what Duchene will ask for isn't even a problem for another year and a half still...

Duchene is getting more money than 6x6. He is a big name.

It was a lateral move where you swapped centers...someone was going to overpay for Duchene I guess it was Ottawa
- Santo_44

so what you're saying is that duchene is worth more than turris...but somehow it's a lateral move for ottawa?

Meh i love KT but 6,7 or 8 years for a player that is half a year from 30...Yeah that is entirely why this deal was made.Ottawa will continue its search for a true number 1 center,and has bought two more seasons at least to make that happen.

While getting a very compareable player in return,while not touching the deep stock of prospects...We did alright

except he's not a rental.....he's signed through the end of NEXT season, not this season.

i can draw a picture for you if you want .
- sensarmy_11

Somehow the trolls can't... quite understand this, crazy eh? Add in the fact that Turris was leaving and nothing else we gave up will have any impact for at least 3-4 years (except maybe Hammond, but not in a good way), and they look as dumb as they sound for trying to rain on the parade.

Meh i love KT but 6,7 or 8 years for a player that is half a year from 30...Yeah that is entirely why this deal was made.Ottawa will continue its search for a true number 1 center,and has bought two more seasons at least to make that happen.

While getting a very compareable player in return,while not touching the deep stock of prospects...We did alright
- top shelf 15

This is correct. Remember Turris has played all this time in Ottawa benefitting from the play of Karlsson. Let's see how turris does playing without Karlsson feeding him. More important, youknow that Boucher is drooling over the opporti ity of getting Duchene on the ice with EK.

This is correct. Remember Turris has played all this time in Ottawa benefitting from the play of Karlsson. Let's see how turris does playing without Karlsson feeding him. More important, youknow that Boucher is drooling over the opporti ity of getting Duchene on the ice with EK.
- spatso

to be fair, he'll have a pretty good core of dmen in nashville feeding him the puck.....nobody there as good as karlsson, but the group as a whole is better than what ottawa has

This is correct. Remember Turris has played all this time in Ottawa benefitting from the play of Karlsson. Let's see how turris does playing without Karlsson feeding him. More important, youknow that Boucher is drooling over the opporti ity of getting Duchene on the ice with EK.
- spatso

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Bowers is a meh prospect, Hammond is a cap dump, the 3rd is whatever, Turris wanted a lot of term and I'm glad we didn't give it to him. He hasn't played well after getting injured in that NYI game last season. The only part that could suck is the 1st but who knows how that ends up.

Duchene will score a lot with Karlsson on his team.

Okay trade, Ottawa still needs one more top-6 winger.

Preferably someone like James Neal.
-TheCalSen

all the slimey posters and fanboys of some other team seem to want to come in here and try and downplay the trade... but I see a great deal for the Sens. they got the best player in the deal as it were. It's not like Duchene can't play a two way game, but he does have more offence than Turris who played great last season and grew while in Ott.

The 3rd rounder isn't even likely to play in the league, hammond was a cap dump and the 1st may or may not develop into a top 6 players especially with the Sens likely getting a late draft pick anyway.

I can see the solid team game the Sens play translating again in the playoffs. they've already caught and surpassed some loser teams that were flying on fumes out of the gate and that have spiraled down to earth as other teams get their legs and games in order. LOLS....

Sens are for real and the media scum should be soundly beaten (metaphorically) for their stupidity in predicting bad things for them at the beginning of the season.

Somehow the trolls can't... quite understand this, crazy eh? Add in the fact that Turris was leaving and nothing else we gave up will have any impact for at least 3-4 years (except maybe Hammond, but not in a good way), and they look as dumb as they sound for trying to rain on the parade.
- wilkobecks

Dorion made a great deal to avoid any issues with Turris. The guy reportedly wasn't interested in resigning in Ott. Great move to trade him at peak value and get a more gifted offensive player.

The first from last season and 2018 aren't guranteed to be anything, and that's especially true of the 3rd rounder...

Boucher has a great team game going. Better than any loser fanbase supported team within easy driving distance for sure...

except he's not a rental.....he's signed through the end of NEXT season, not this season.

i can draw a picture for you if you want .
- sensarmy_11

some people from loser fanbases who disparage people for no good reason who post on their team blog, don't mind going on another team's board to make idiotic comments and disparage the team... i'd suggest ignoring those bottom feeding people.

The Sens are for real and Boucher will have a well oiled team heading into the playoffs again as some loser team close by misses the playoffs as is usual for them...

Well, after spending the morning reading everything I could get my hands on, I think PD did the right thing and made a good gamble for Duchene. For various reason, Turris wasn't going to re-up so packaging him with Bowers and some unknowns for a big name bona fide #1C was the right thing to do. I like Turris and he will be missed, but this is definitely another small step in the right direction.

Everyone around the net seems to think that everyone got what they wanted from this deal except (as someone has already noted) a bunch of mouthy, a$$hole Leafs fans who are clearly pissed off that the Sens are a bit better today and that their group is slipping back to the middle of the pack where they properly belong.

Now wouldn't it be ironic if Nashville and Ottawa ended up in the finals this year? A stretch perhaps, but not completely beyond the realm of possibility (well, except for the fact that the Leafs will be the Stanley Cup Champions this year according to... the Toronto Press haha).