Turris.. two 1st and a third plus Hammond. .who's actually looks pretty good down in Bellville, and I didn't realize his nhl numbers were as good as they were! Anyway .is a lot for Duchene! ..and I like duchene but now the presure is on,and hopefully he'll preform ..but in two years he'll be seeking at least 7.5×6.he'll get more than ryan no doubt! ..unless he underperformes? but turris with 27 goals last year. .plus his defence? ..honestly is Dushene that much better? ..plus the other assets? I honestly i don't know! ..then he'll be asking for more money. .and probably term than turris. .then Karlsson will be asking ..franked if I know? ..10.5to12? And theirs the other guys! ..hopefully the cap goes up ..ottawa is not the only team looking at cap space! Lol..but will the owner go to the cap?..anyhow good luck moving forward with Duchene and hopefully he'll be able to provide the..number 1 center position you've been waiting for!
- MR.Hunter

buy-out Phaneuf before 19/20. 2 season left on his contract. Or move him to a cap team.

Lol and please don't come with the "hammond is very good crap". you never see him play.

Hey man, we all support the same team. Just there are some reasons I have my reservations about this deal:
- Duchene should be better offensively, but I think Turris is the better 2-way forward, which we need in the Boucher system.
- We still add a lot. A late 1st could get you a Shattenkirk kind of rental player. Rather would have a Shattenkirk type of player + Turris than Duchene.
- If Turris signs 6/6 we will have to sign Duchene for more. Maybe 7/8. it's not like we have a lot of cap space left. I think this will have a domino effect on trading more players away who needs to resign (Ceci?).

Anyways, I like Duchene so curious to see what he will do. Always exciting to see trades like this happen

- DutchSenators

1. is turris a better defensive player, or was he simply playing in a better system for a WAAAAYYYY better coach. boucher seems to have turned everyone into solid defensive players.

2. ottawa still has a poop ton of assets to move in trade.....seeing as they didn't give up a single top young asset to get duchene

3. as for the cap, brass and burrows both come off the books at the time those guys are due (assuming with brown and white coming up, brass prob isn't re-signed or is moved for pieces) plus if ottawa is at the cap then they get LTIR relief for macarthur. there are always ways around the cap. yes, lots of guys are due raises, but there will likely also be lots of guys who will be up with the team on their ELC ( chabot, white, brown, chaplik, etc)

was looking at teh cap numbers....assuming in 2 years you replace brass, burrows, pyatt, and thompson with 4 guys (3 of which likely on ELC in brown, white, and chaplik) plus say a UFA signing, and there is like 7 or 8 mil cleared to re-sign duchene and karlsson

So do you guys see another trade coming shortly? How much cap has the Hambugler now given you? Who is a target?

1. is turris a better defensive player, or was he simply playing in a better system for a WAAAAYYYY better coach. boucher seems to have turned everyone into solid defensive players.

2. ottawa still has a poop ton of assets to move in trade.....seeing as they didn't give up a single top young asset to get duchene

3. as for the cap, brass and burrows both come off the books at the time those guys are due (assuming with brown and white coming up, brass prob isn't re-signed or is moved for pieces) plus if ottawa is at the cap then they get LTIR relief for macarthur. there are always ways around the cap. yes, lots of guys are due raises, but there will likely also be lots of guys who will be up with the team on their ELC ( chabot, white, brown, chaplik, etc)

was looking at teh cap numbers....assuming in 2 years you replace brass, burrows, pyatt, and thompson with 4 guys (3 of which likely on ELC in brown, white, and chaplik) plus say a UFA signing, and there is like 7 or 8 mil cleared to re-sign duchene and karlsson
- sensarmy_11

We will see, excited to see something happen. But please don't let Brassard walk for nothing, then I will cry. Rather buy-out Phaneuf than let Brassard walk.

So do you guys see another trade coming shortly? How much cap has the Hambugler now given you? Who is a target?
- Aussiepenguin

No, don't see anything happen soon. We have 2M now in space. Top 9 is fine now though with Stone, Hoffman, Duchene, Brassard, Pageau, Ryan, Smith, Dzingel, Pyatt (?).

So there is possible 1 spot to fill, I would like to see us go for Duclair (and dump the MacArthur contract at the same time), but that is unlikely to happen.

Think we will get a rental at the TDL (Vrbata could be a great fit).

No, don't see anything happen soon. We have 2M now in space. Top 9 is fine now though with Stone, Hoffman, Duchene, Brassard, Pageau, Ryan, Smith, Dzingel, Pyatt (?).

So there is possible 1 spot to fill, I would like to see us go for Duclair (and dump the MacArthur contract at the same time), but that is unlikely to happen.

Think we will get a rental at the TDL (Vrbata could be a great fit).
- DutchSenators

Do you think Duchene is going to make that much difference than Turris?

Do you think Duchene is going to make that much difference than Turris?
- Aussiepenguin

Not much, slightly more offense possibly.

Do you think Duchene is going to make that much difference than Turris?
- Aussiepenguin

I think his speed and skill over turris will be immediately evident....especially on the PP. I think he's probably not as good of a 2-way player but i think the system the team plays will largely make up for that

So do you guys see another trade coming shortly? How much cap has the Hambugler now given you? Who is a target?
- Aussiepenguin

the only thing i could see them doing is maybe adding a rental top six winger at the deadline. they're still missing that 4th bonafide top six winger IMO....smith doesn't belong there.

maybe a neal or perron from vegas, kane from buf, something like that

all depends on where they're sitting at the TDL i think

the only thing i could see them doing is maybe adding a rental top six winger at the deadline. they're still missing that 4th bonafide top six winger IMO....smith doesn't belong there.

maybe a neal or perron from vegas, kane from buf, something like that

all depends on where they're sitting at the TDL i think
- sensarmy_11

I think Neal is going to be a very sought after commodity. Maybe a Rick Nash??

I think Neal is going to be a very sought after commodity. Maybe a Rick Nash??
- Aussiepenguin

i was just throwing neal out as an example......i could see them making inquiries on most UFA top six wingers.

nash might be a bit hard to fit under the cap though, even at the TDL

i was just throwing neal out as an example......i could see them making inquiries on most UFA top six wingers.

nash might be a bit hard to fit under the cap though, even at the TDL
- sensarmy_11

Going to be fun around the deadline or before. Some big names floating around.

Going to be fun around the deadline or before. Some big names floating around.
- Aussiepenguin

and ottawa still has all their top prospects available if they want to make a big splash. the list of prospects likely ranked higher than what they gave up are, in no particular order:

chabot
brown
white
chaplik
formenton
harpur
englund
hogberg

plus younger roster players like pageau, claessen, ceci, etc

and ottawa still has all their top prospects available if they want to make a big splash. the list of prospects likely ranked higher than what they gave up are, in no particular order:

chabot
brown
white
chaplik
formenton
harpur
englund
hogberg

plus younger roster players like pageau, claessen, ceci, etc
- sensarmy_11

Have to question whether Karlsson will price himself out of Ottawa? All this youth coming through, trade EK for an absolute motza &'boom.

Have to question whether Karlsson will price himself out of Ottawa? All this youth coming through, trade EK for an absolute motza &'boom.
- Aussiepenguin

i can't see that ever happening, unless he says he wont' sign there

that's like the pens trading crosby......yes, the return would be great, but he's worth so much more to that franchise than simply his talent on the ice.

if ottawa moves karlsson, the face of the franchise, it would hurt the team both on and off the ice

Have to question whether Karlsson will price himself out of Ottawa? All this youth coming through, trade EK for an absolute motza &'boom.
- Aussiepenguin

If EK is traded a lot of fans will trade teams as well.

Dorion was able to get Duchene without giving up Chabot, White, or Brown? That’s a win in my book. Shane Bowers is a middling prospect and the 1st rounder is likely to be on the back end of the first round. More misses than hits at that range historically. Duchene is a bit better than Turris right now and the price showed that.

Duchene is a special player in my opinion. Really dynamic skater with natural offensive ability. He’s been in a terrible situation in Colorado for years and has a chance to start fresh. He could take a step.

Sens window to win is this year and next. Duchene’s contract works perfectly for that. Turris’s didn’t. I don’t really know what will happen long term here, but I like the short term plan by bringing in a guy like Duchene. I think Dorion still needs to add another decent forward to make this team comfortable, but this is a good move for the Sens for the right now.

Turris was fine in a Sens uniform, but we tried him as a top centre for a few years and perhaps it’s time to go another route. This is an exciting move.

it's hilarious how many leaf fans are bothered by this move.....it drives them nuts that ottawa got better without giving up any of their top assets. they're literally all over every thread telling anyone who'll listen how badly they think ottawa got fleeced.

Have to question whether Karlsson will price himself out of Ottawa? All this youth coming through, trade EK for an absolute motza &'boom.
- Aussiepenguin

This is a challenging question. Basic asset management principles tell you that trading a 30 year old Karlsson actually makes a great deal of sense. I would not take this option off the table.

Love Karlsson but an asset is an asset. He will be an elite player until age 35.

If Sens make big playoff run this year than Karlsson needs to be signed quickly. If the Sens don't get close this year than all options need to be on the table.

it's hilarious how many leaf fans are bothered by this move.....it drives them nuts that ottawa got better without giving up any of their top assets. they're literally all over every thread telling anyone who'll listen how badly they think ottawa got fleeced.
- sensarmy_11

The scorpion remains true to her nature.

"Turris wanted too much term"

Yeah, Duchene isn't going to want term....

"Turris has been off lately"

Yeah, Duchene has been WAY off the last 2-3 years. Had 40 points last year.....

6x6 is fantastic value for Turris. Duchene will want more on the open market
- Santo_44

yup.
Of course now all sens fans will say Turris was meh.
Unless the Sens sign duchene long term, they got hosed on this deal.
Even if he signs long term, that may be the case. Turris, a 1st, a 3rd and last years 1st.
Ouch.

it's hilarious how many leaf fans are bothered by this move.....it drives them nuts that ottawa got better without giving up any of their top assets. they're literally all over every thread telling anyone who'll listen how badly they think ottawa got fleeced.
- sensarmy_11

If you dont sign him long term...you did.
He's better offensively, worse defensively.

yup.
Of course now all sens fans will say Turris was meh.
Unless the Sens sign duchene long term, they got hosed on this deal.
Even if he signs long term, that may be the case. Turris, a 1st, a 3rd and last years 1st.
Ouch.
- Fakepartofme

They wanted Duchene and got him. Late 1st rounders are way overvalued. For every Corey Perry there are 5 or 6 Jim O’Brien’s. It was apparent Turris wasn’t in the long term plans.

yup.
Of course now all sens fans will say Turris was meh.
Unless the Sens sign duchene long term, they got hosed on this deal.
Even if he signs long term, that may be the case. Turris, a 1st, a 3rd and last years 1st.
Ouch.
- Fakepartofme

And of course all the haters suddenly think Turris is awesome. Bowers, who most of them hadn't heard of before googling his name after this trade, is now a blue chip prospect.

And Duchene isn't good anymore.


I always liked turris, I would have given him his 6x6. And this is a fair amount to give up for a trade. Who knows how Bowers turns out.

But I think the team is better today than they were yesterday.

All signs point to Turris not re-signing..