If you actually watched his play, he's been off. 6 years of that is risky.
- TheCalSen

Yeah Duchene has been off too....way off actually. Ottawa just went for the bigger name. Like you guys have been saying for years Turris is Teows lite right ?

Ottawa overpaid for Duchene. Predators is the winner short term. Avs did awesomely good long term. Sakic couldn't get the top dmen desired as no NHL teams were willing to trade. So he went for plan B. Let's face it, Colorado would have lost him in a season and a half. So getting 7 players for him is remarkable.
- OnTheFly

Remarkable...really?

Girard - 2nd round pick, projected to be a top 4D man - possibly a #2
Bowers - will he be more than a 40-45 point guy?
Hammond - MAYBE a back up goalie
2018 1st (22nd-30th)
2018 2nd (% they make an impact?)
2018 3rd (% they make the NHL?)

So if that's the return for Duchene, is that really remarkable? Again, that's pretty much on the lower end of the deal working out - I think without getting a blue chip guy, it's a pretty good deal but no, not remarkable. I think if the Sens didn't give their 1st in 2018, the fact the Sens got Duchene without giving Chabot, White, Ceci, or Brown as part of the deal is pretty damn impressive. It allows means those guys get to play with Duchene AND/OR can be used for other moves. Wish we had Turris but the allocation of $ is something difficult + important for any Sens Gm

So it's basically pre-UFA Turris, Bowers, a 1st and a 3rd round pick, for Duchene and $1.5M (Hammond). I'm sure Sakic was holding out as long as he could for one of Chabot, White, or Brown to be included, but at the end of the day he got quite a lot of value in the aggregate. Meanwhile, Nashville adds quality centre depth without having to play the UFA or trade deadline game
- khawk

Wouldn't surprise me if the deal was 2 2nds or if Bowers wasn't in the deal.

What crazy timing with Duchene and the Sens going to play the Avs

I just hope he really starts to develop chemistry with Hoff - if that happens... man. There was a Sens fan that said that and I totally agree, they could be really dangerous if a line he's on is going WITH Brass

The banana is Nashville.
The girl holding it is Colorado
The girl taking it is Ottawa.


- Unholy-Goalie

That’s about right!

XxNYIxX

Bowers is a meh prospect, Hammond is a cap dump, the 3rd is whatever, Turris wanted a lot of term and I'm glad we didn't give it to him. He hasn't played well after getting injured in that NYI game last season. The only part that could suck is the 1st but who knows how that ends up.

Duchene will score a lot with Karlsson on his team.

Okay trade, Ottawa still needs one more top-6 winger.

Preferably someone like James Neal.
- TheCalSen

The old "every player we just traded is garbage and the guy we got is a superstar" shtick

I see what you did there

The old "every player we just traded is garbage and the guy we got is a superstar" shtick

I see what you did there
- Komisaurus Rex

Except in this case......they kind of are....I love turris and it sucks losing him...but seems kind of clear he wasn't resigning ....plus the 1st rounder is top 10 protected...it's really not a bad deal for the Sens...I'm very happy with the trade...I'll miss turris but sens did good here..got Duchene and gave up exactly none of the top prospects...it's a win

Yeah Duchene has been off too....way off actually. Ottawa just went for the bigger name. Like you guys have been saying for years Turris is Teows lite right ?
- Santo_44

He was and I stand by that. Turris could've been a 70-pt center hadn't he damaged his knee.

Also, Duchene has been on the trade block for 2+ years in Colorado. What do you think that does to someone mentally. Offensively, Duchene is the much better player and hopefully he can rekindle that skill especially with someone called Erik Karlsson on his side.

The old "every player we just traded is garbage and the guy we got is a superstar" shtick

I see what you did there
- Komisaurus Rex

I think everyone got what they wanted... it's what Dorion does

The old "every player we just traded is garbage and the guy we got is a superstar" shtick

I see what you did there
- Komisaurus Rex

Bowers is a 28th round pick prospect who has a ceiling of 2C; most likely ends up as a 3C

Hammond is an AHL goalie

Turris is a good player no one here is saying otherwise buddy.

But I can see how a Habs fan is familiar with that schtick.

The old "every player we just traded is garbage and the guy we got is a superstar" shtick

I see what you did there
- Komisaurus Rex

"Turris wanted too much term"

Yeah, Duchene isn't going to want term....

"Turris has been off lately"

Yeah, Duchene has been WAY off the last 2-3 years. Had 40 points last year.....

6x6 is fantastic value for Turris. Duchene will want more on the open market

Bowers is a 28th round pick prospect who has a ceiling of 2C; most likely ends up as a 3C

Hammond is an AHL goalie

Turris is a good player no one here is saying otherwise buddy.

But I can see how a Habs fan is familiar with that schtick.
- TheCalSen

I agree

The trade will up being:
Bowers - a 3rd line player (possible 2nd line temp)
22nd-30th + 52nd-60th picks

With $ going to Duchene NOT Turris the next 5-7 years.
Duchene is younger. Faster. A better overall player and will bring the chance to have chemistry with Hoffman that Turris didn't have (for some reason)

It is an overpayment and something I would have said no to a month ago, but with the Turris talks not going well, I have to give Dorion credit for landing Duchene without having to give up Chabot, White, Brown, Ceci, or anyone else really of value. The only real value I see outside Turris is a 1st round pick. SO Turris + 22nd-30th pick for Duchene...... is it really that bad?

He was and I stand by that. Turris could've been a 70-pt center hadn't he damaged his knee.

Also, Duchene has been on the trade block for 2+ years in Colorado. What do you think that does to someone mentally. Offensively, Duchene is the much better player and hopefully he can rekindle that skill especially with someone called Erik Karlsson on his side.
- TheCalSen

He is a big boy he can handle it. Plenty of players are on the block and perform fine

At the end of the day it's a lateral move

You can make an argument on which player is better. Ottawa went big name shopping

He is a big boy he can handle it. Plenty of players are on the block and perform fine

At the end of the day it's a lateral move

You can make an argument on which player is better. Ottawa went big name shopping
- Santo_44

I think Ottawa likes Duchene's speed and the fact he's a couple years younger. I'm a huge Turris fan but in 6 years it's hard to say what kind of player he will be considering skating has never been his strong suit. The big key will be signing Dutchy long term

So if that's the return for Duchene, is that really remarkable?
- AlfieisKing

Ottawa has a lot more prospect depth than most people outside of the fanbase realize, and giving up Bowers (who was only barely a 1st round pick) plus a 1st round pick in what looks like a relatively weak draft year really isn't the end of the world. Even just among forwards, they still have White, Brown, Chlapik, and Formenton lined up, plus more potential depth in Perron, Gagne, Paul, and Batherson. For my money, Dorion wins this trade for having managed to acquire a player of Duchene's quality, dumping $1.5M in salary, and protecting multiple blue-chip prospects.

Ottawa has a lot more prospect depth than most people outside of the fanbase realize, and giving up Bowers (who was only barely a 1st round pick) plus a 1st round pick in what looks like a relatively weak draft year really isn't the end of the world. Even just among forwards, they still have White, Brown, Chlapik, and Formenton lined up, plus more potential depth in Perron, Gagne, Paul, and Batherson. For my money, Dorion wins this trade for having managed to acquire a player of Duchene's quality, dumping $1.5M in salary, and protecting multiple blue-chip prospects.
- khawk

It's far too easy to get drunk when your glass is never half empty.

It's far too easy to get drunk when your glass is never half empty.
- systemtool

Go be impressed with the long list of 'meh' that the Avalanche got in return if you want, but this deal very clearly accommodated Ottawa in multiple ways, including not touching any of their 4 best forward or 4 best defenceman prospects. I'm pretty sure that wasn't exactly what Sakic was holding out this whole time for.

Man this is not a good trade

The banana is Nashville.
The girl holding it is Colorado
The girl taking it is Ottawa.


- Unholy-Goalie

Hey, that's my neigbour girl in amsterdam! Haha

I think Ottawa likes Duchene's speed and the fact he's a couple years younger. I'm a huge Turris fan but in 6 years it's hard to say what kind of player he will be considering skating has never been his strong suit. The big key will be signing Dutchy long term
- forbetterorWORSE

Yeah I think Douch will be more expensive than Turris...

Yeah I think Douch will be more expensive than Turris...
- DutchSenators

Probably yes, but players with his speed tend to have longer careers in today's nhl. My point being Ottawa might be more inclined to give him a long term deal.

The 1 way this trade will be a slam dunk for Ottawa and not the other 2 teams is locking up Duchene for 8 years. In the short term, all 3 teams seem to have gotten something useful out of this.

The 1 way this trade will be a slam dunk for Ottawa and not the other 2 teams is locking up Duchene for 8 years. In the short term, all 3 teams seem to have gotten something useful out of this.
- Buggy166

Agree
Hoping Sens sign Karlsson and Duchene at same time

Turris.. two 1st and a third plus Hammond. .who's actually looks pretty good down in Bellville, and I didn't realize his nhl numbers were as good as they were! Anyway .is a lot for Duchene! ..and I like duchene but now the presure is on,and hopefully he'll preform ..but in two years he'll be seeking at least 7.5×6.he'll get more than ryan no doubt! ..unless he underperformes? but turris with 27 goals last year. .plus his defence? ..honestly is Dushene that much better? ..plus the other assets? I honestly i don't know! ..then he'll be asking for more money. .and probably term than turris. .then Karlsson will be asking ..franked if I know? ..10.5to12? And theirs the other guys! ..hopefully the cap goes up ..ottawa is not the only team looking at cap space! Lol..but will the owner go to the cap?..anyhow good luck moving forward with Duchene and hopefully he'll be able to provide the..number 1 center position you've been waiting for!

i love how the same trolls who say ottawa has a crappy prospect pool are the ones in here saying ottawa got hosed because they gave up bowers (who probably wasn't even in the top 10 of their prospects).

ottawa got the best player in the deal and didn't give up a single one of their top young assets to get him. yes it sucks to lose turris, but they were going to lose him anyways. a late 1st rd pick, whatever....it's top 10 protected so at best it's going to be a 50/50 impact player, and the rest is just a dump.

for those who are saying that it's a lateral move, consider the fact that for the last few years turris has been playing mostly with hoffman and stone....oh and the best offensive dman in the last few generations. duchene on the other hand has been playing with this trade hanging over his head for 2 years, and for colorado, who's been pretty much the worst team in the entire league (with maybe 3 good players) for the last 3 or so years.

so duchene was putting up better numbers than turris on a poopty team so it's only expected that now that he plays for a better team with a much better supporting cast and a great coach that his numbers should get better

trolls can spin this any way they want......ottawa did perfectly fine in this trade.

i love how the same trolls who say ottawa has a crappy prospect pool are the ones in here saying ottawa got hosed because they gave up bowers (who probably wasn't even in the top 10 of their prospects).

ottawa got the best player in the deal and didn't give up a single one of their top young assets to get him. yes it sucks to lose turris, but they were going to lose him anyways. a late 1st rd pick, whatever....it's top 10 protected so at best it's going to be a 50/50 impact player, and the rest is just a dump.

for those who are saying that it's a lateral move, consider the fact that for the last few years turris has been playing mostly with hoffman and stone....oh and the best offensive dman in the last few generations. duchene on the other hand has been playing with this trade hanging over his head for 2 years, and for colorado, who's been pretty much the worst team in the entire league (with maybe 3 good players) for the last 3 or so years.

so duchene was putting up better numbers than turris on a poopty team so it's only expected that now that he plays for a better team with a much better supporting cast and a great coach that his numbers should get better

trolls can spin this any way they want......ottawa did perfectly fine in this trade.
- sensarmy_11

Hey man, we all support the same team. Just there are some reasons I have my reservations about this deal:
- Duchene should be better offensively, but I think Turris is the better 2-way forward, which we need in the Boucher system.
- We still add a lot. A late 1st could get you a Shattenkirk kind of rental player. Rather would have a Shattenkirk type of player + Turris than Duchene.
- If Turris signs 6/6 we will have to sign Duchene for more. Maybe 7/8. it's not like we have a lot of cap space left. I think this will have a domino effect on trading more players away who needs to resign (Ceci?).

Anyways, I like Duchene so curious to see what he will do. Always exciting to see trades like this happen