They still produced/well at the KHL level, so they should have been able to make something of themselves.
- Rinosaur

This ignores that NA hockey is stupid and values guys like Glendening and Reaves over bottom 6 players that can actually play hockey...

They still produced/well at the KHL level, so they should have been able to make something of themselves.
- Rinosaur

You know when RW posts certin PPG percentages in the AHL that translate to NHL success? It's the same thing in the KHL, there is a threshold of production where players at that threshold can be expected to produce a certain way. Producing 30-40 points in 50+ games at the KHL isn't likely to translate to 30 or 40 points in the NHL, Medvedev for example put up 12 points in 45 games with the Flyers in his lone season in the NHL, had he played a full season he could have ended up anywhere between 18-22 points, which is your typical NHL bottom six guy tweener guy. If you know what to expect with players, then you won't be disappointed by their production. Ya know?

You know when RW posts certin PPG percentages in the AHL that translate to NHL success? It's the same thing in the KHL, there is a threshold of production where players at that threshold can be expected to produce a certain way. Producing 30-40 points in 50+ games at the KHL isn't likely to translate to 30 or 40 points in the NHL, Medvedev for example put up 12 points in 45 games with the Flyers in his lone season in the NHL, had he played a full season he could have ended up anywhere between 18-22 points, which is your typical NHL bottom six guy tweener guy. If you know what to expect with players, then you won't be disappointed by their production. Ya know?
- j.boyd919

Medvedev is a D man so that is actually very respectable production.

Medvedev is a D man so that is actually very respectable production.
- Feds91Stammer

Gracias for the correction, so it was 2nd/3rd pairing defenseman... or first pairing guy Brian Dumoulin lol

You know when RW posts certin PPG percentages in the AHL that translate to NHL success? It's the same thing in the KHL, there is a threshold of production where players at that threshold can be expected to produce a certain way. Producing 30-40 points in 50+ games at the KHL isn't likely to translate to 30 or 40 points in the NHL, Medvedev for example put up 12 points in 45 games with the Flyers in his lone season in the NHL, had he played a full season he could have ended up anywhere between 18-22 points, which is your typical NHL bottom six guy tweener guy. If you know what to expect with players, then you won't be disappointed by their production. Ya know?
- j.boyd919

I will reiterate that I've written it's not that I don't think Ship can do it, but for a two-year commitment there needs to be more proven on his end that he can. It's simply not an automatic that any successful KHL player can have success here.

You seem to think you can guarantee that. Pro scouts can't guarantee that.

Hagelin and a 3rd for Shipachyov

Sheary - Crosby - Sprong
Rust - Malkin - Kessel
Guentzel - Shipachyov - Hornqvist
McKegg - Sheahan - Kuhnhackl

This was the post that was advocating for Sprong.
- j.boyd919

Technically doesn't clear a spot for Sprong. You'd have Reaves, Rowney, and Archibald all still on the bench.

Doesn't mean the trade might not be worth it, but it doesn't clear any space. I'd think Vegas would get a better offer anyways

I will reiterate that I've written it's not that I don't think Ship can do it, but for a two-year commitment there needs to be more proven on his end that he can. It's simply not an automatic that any successful KHL player can have success here.

You seem to think you can guarantee that. Pro scouts can't guarantee that.
- Rinosaur

Technically doesn't clear a spot for Sprong. You'd have Reaves, Rowney, and Archibald all still on the bench.

Doesn't mean the trade might not be worth it, but it doesn't clear any space. I'd think Vegas would get a better offer anyways
- Tojo.

All 3 would easily clear waivers...

I will reiterate that I've written it's not that I don't think Ship can do it, but for a two-year commitment there needs to be more proven on his end that he can. It's simply not an automatic that any successful KHL player can have success here.

You seem to think you can guarantee that. Pro scouts can't guarantee that.
- Rinosaur

No, I actually don't believe it's a guarantee, I believe that every trade is a risk. But what I do believe is that Carl Hagelin's play does not justify his contract, he will be a UFA after this year, and the Pens have other players capable of the PK (Sheahan, Kuhn, Rust all come to mind.) And, Rust has surpassed Hags on the depth chart, and point production over the last year, and this early season.

I also don't believe 2 years is a big commitment for a player who has produced much better than most at a professional level and based on prior comparables, I lean more to him being successful in the NHL than not.

Technically doesn't clear a spot for Sprong. You'd have Reaves, Rowney, and Archibald all still on the bench.

Doesn't mean the trade might not be worth it, but it doesn't clear any space. I'd think Vegas would get a better offer anyways
- Tojo.

Doesn't matter. Ship is not sailing to the Pens.

If I had to bet money, I'd say the Rangers, Islander, Yotes or Nucks go after him.

No, I actually don't believe it's a guarantee, I believe that every trade is a risk. But what I do believe is that Carl Hagelin's play does not justify his contract, he will be a UFA after this year, and the Pens have other players capable of the PK (Sheahan, Kuhn, Rust all come to mind.) And, Rust has surpassed Hags on the depth chart, and point production over the last year, and this early season.

I also don't believe 2 years is a big commitment for a player who has produced much better than most at a professional level and based on prior comparables, I lean more to him being successful in the NHL than not.
- j.boyd919

Arguing Hagelin is another discussion. A two year committment isn't that long, but $4.5M for a player who has yet to show he can? That's just to steep. Like I said earlier, bad or good, we KNOW what to expect from Hagelin.

Technically doesn't clear a spot for Sprong. You'd have Reaves, Rowney, and Archibald all still on the bench.

Doesn't mean the trade might not be worth it, but it doesn't clear any space. I'd think Vegas would get a better offer anyways
- Tojo.

I don't believe Sully would want Reaves, Rowney, or Archi to gain more minutes. So by creating a hole on the top 6 RW, I think having Horny on the 3rd line, and filling sprong in the top 6 would keep the skill in the top 6, while also spreading some into the 3rd line.

Arguing Hagelin is another discussion. A two year committment isn't that long, but $4.5M for a player who has yet to show he can? That's just to steep. Like I said earlier, bad or good, we KNOW what to expect from Hagelin.
- Rinosaur

You're one of those guys who becomes complacent with a team after they win a championship, huh? Like.. they won last year, why change anything this year? Last years results were great, let's not look to improve because we already succeeded with this roster.

Arguing Hagelin is another discussion. A two year committment isn't that long, but $4.5M for a player who has yet to show he can? That's just to steep. Like I said earlier, bad or good, we KNOW what to expect from Hagelin.
- Rinosaur

And based on years of KHL production we KNOW what to expect from Shipachyov.

You're one of those guys who becomes complacent with a team after they win a championship, huh? Like.. they won last year, why change anything this year? Last years results were great, let's not look to improve because we already succeeded with this roster.
- j.boyd919

Not at all. The Pens need a legit 3C. I just want to see them be smart about getting one. Be patient until the right one comes along. I will say that I'd rather make no move than a bad move.

Get a proven player.

You're one of those guys who becomes complacent with a team after they win a championship, huh? Like.. they won last year, why change anything this year? Last years results were great, let's not look to improve because we already succeeded with this roster.
- j.boyd919

They got Ryan Reeves and ditched top pair defenseman Ron Hainsey. What more do you want?

They got Ryan Reeves and ditched top pair defenseman Ron Hainsey. What more do you want?
- jmatchett383

The GOAT, Auston Matthews of course.

The GOAT, Auston Matthews of course.
- j.boyd919

He's no Greg McKegg.

This ignores that NA hockey is stupid and values guys like Glendening and Reaves over bottom 6 players that can actually play hockey...
- Feds91Stammer

Ryan Reaves can play hockey. Not well, but he puts on skates, carries a stick and generally moves around a bit.

I don't believe Sully would want Reaves, Rowney, or Archi to gain more minutes. So by creating a hole on the top 6 RW, I think having Horny on the 3rd line, and filling sprong in the top 6 would keep the skill in the top 6, while also spreading some into the 3rd line.
- j.boyd919

Honestly, I'm surprised they didn't waive Archibald to bank more cap space, although with Rowney out he's the 13th forward.

Everything you shuffled around is the same with or without this trade. Regardless they have to drop a forward and shift someone like Sheary to LW to open a spot for Sprong.

The trade would upgrade the team so it's worth doing, just doesn't change the roster crunch.

All 3 would easily clear waivers...
- Feds91Stammer

Reaves wouldn't (debate if that's wise, but someone takes him for sure).

Trading Hags and a 3rd for Ship still doesn't open up a spot for Sprong.

Reaves wouldn't (debate if that's wise, but someone takes him for sure).

Trading Hags and a 3rd for Ship still doesn't open up a spot for Sprong.
- Tojo.

Of course Reaves wouldn't, dude's worth a 1st rounder.

Rino how'd you let this happen?... Howd ya let yourself get caught up in a Boyd/Feds tag team?

I think I have to side with Rino... Until a player has shown aka proven he can play at the top hockey level in world aka the NHL then said player is unproven at said level.

However, in defense of the tag team, most times that a player produces at an elite level across the pond they usually find some success doing so in NHL...

... But not always.

Rino how'd you let this happen?... Howd ya let yourself get caught up in a Boyd/Feds tag team?

I think I have to side with Rino... Until a player has shown aka proven he can play at the top hockey level in world aka the NHL then said player is unproven at said level.

However, in defense of the tag team, most times that a player produces at an elite level across the pond they usually find some success doing so in NHL...

... But not always.
- MattStrat

Name one...

Rino how'd you let this happen?... Howd ya let yourself get caught up in a Boyd/Feds tag team?

I think I have to side with Rino... Until a player has shown aka proven he can play at the top hockey level in world aka the NHL then said player is unproven at said level.

However, in defense of the tag team, most times that a player produces at an elite level across the pond they usually find some success doing so in NHL...

... But not always.
- MattStrat

I'm not expecting him to put up 70 points in 50 games like he did in the KHL, but I don't see how ~30-40 points as 3C is such a loft expectation.