- Feds91Stammer

I'm really not sure what's so complicated here. If you think these guys can just come over and be the same player they were over there then I don't know what to tell you. It's not just true.

It doesn't matter. What players do in the KHL or other European leagues doesn't just translate to the NHL that easily. It's a completely different game.

Now, I'm not saying HE CAN'T do it, but he's done nothing yet to show he can. Does Plotnikov ring a bell? Damien Bruenner?

It's one thing for a player to be drafted as a rookie and have time to ease in and adjust playing in the AHL or simply be given time at the NHL level, but more times than most these players who try and just come over to make the jump fail.

Panarin has been one of the few exceptions.
- Rinosaur

The fact you are going to compare him to Plotnikov or Brunner(wasn't even a KHLer) shows your ignorance.

I'm really not sure what's so complicated here. If you think these guys can just come over and be the same player they were over there then I don't know what to tell you. It's not just true.
- Rinosaur

To think skill doesn't translate to a smaller ice surface is pure ignorance.

Don't you know no one here ever suggested playing him LW?...even though it was kinda mentioned and questioned.


- NJPensfan

Hagelin and a 3rd for Shipachyov

Sheary - Crosby - Sprong
Rust - Malkin - Kessel
Guentzel - Shipachyov - Hornqvist
McKegg - Sheahan - Kuhnhackl

This was the post that was advocating for Sprong.

Sorry, not trying to be a a pain, but I'm not following...

???-Sid-Sheary
Rust-Geno-Kessel
Guentzel-Ship-Hornqvist
???-McKegg-Kuhnhackl

So are you saying to put Sprong as LW next to Sid, or move Sheary to Sid's LW?
- Rinosaur

Sheary is capable of playing LW, and is listed as such on the Pens website, hockereference, Yahoo, etc.

The fact you are going to compare him to Plotnikov or Brunner(wasn't even a KHLer) shows your ignorance.
- Feds91Stammer

The fact you think any European player can just come over and be effective shows how little you know about hockey and why you really shouldn't be discussing it with anyone.

Again, it's one thing for a younger player, but for players who have been playing overseas well into their 20's and beyond? You're out of your element, Donnie.

Sheary is capable of playing LW, and is listed as such on the Pens website, hockereference, Yahoo, etc.
- j.boyd919

Could work...

I just think there's 0.0 chance Ship is moved here.

It doesn't matter. What players do in the KHL or other European leagues doesn't just translate to the NHL that easily. It's a completely different game.

Now, I'm not saying HE CAN'T do it, but he's done nothing yet to show he can. Does Plotnikov ring a bell? Damien Bruenner?

It's one thing for a player to be drafted as a rookie and have time to ease in and adjust playing in the AHL or simply be given time at the NHL level, but more times than most these players who try and just come over to make the jump fail.

Panarin has been one of the few exceptions.
- Rinosaur

Damien Brunner had two productive seasons of 26 points in 44 games and 25 points in 60 games, while topping out at 60 in a Swiss league where the skill isn't as high as the KHL.

The fact you think any European player can just come over and be effective shows how little you know about hockey and why you really shouldn't be discussing it with anyone.

Again, it's one thing for a younger player, for players who have been playing well into their 20's and beyond? You're out of your element, Donnie.
- Rinosaur

1. I have actually watched Shipachyov play
2. He has already been successful
3. McPhee is an idiot
4. Gallant is an idiot
5. You are an idiot

Damien Brunner had two productive seasons of 26 points in 44 games and 25 points in 60 games, while topping out at 60 in a Swiss league where the skill isn't as high as the KHL.
- j.boyd919

Come on man, as much as you don't like, you know I'm right about this. Being good in the KHL doesn't mean you'll be good in the NHL when you're talking about players who have been career KHLers.

1. I have actually watched Shipachyov play
2. He has already been successful
3. McPhee is an idiot
4. Gallant is an idiot
5. You are an idiot
- Feds91Stammer

You really don't know what you're talking about and just making yourself sound not smart.

You really don't know what you're talking about and just making yourself sound not smart.
- Rinosaur

Come on man, as much as you don't like, you know I'm right about this. Being good in the KHL doesn't mean you'll be good in the NHL when you're talking about players who have been career KHLers.
- Rinosaur

Name a KHL player that produced at a point per game that couldn't handle the NHL...

The fact you think any European player can just come over and be effective shows how little you know about hockey and why you really shouldn't be discussing it with anyone.

Again, it's one thing for a younger player, but for players who have been playing overseas well into their 20's and beyond? You're out of your element, Donnie.
- Rinosaur

Not really sure why you think the game of hockey is that different in the NHL. The premise is always to score more goals than the other team. It's hockey, pretty much anywhere around the world.

Name a KHL player that produced at a point per game that couldn't handle the NHL...
- Feds91Stammer

I'm honestly finished with you. You can't have a normal conversation and just look to bully people who you disagree with. There's a reason you regularly get suspended from here.

You want to call me an idiot? We're done.

Not really sure why you think the game of hockey is that different in the NHL. The premise is always to score more goals than the other team. It's hockey, pretty much anywhere around the world.
- j.boyd919

It's really not though. The smaller rink has created a very different game here. It's simply played different. You don't have the room or time to play the same type of game.

Come on man, as much as you don't like, you know I'm right about this. Being good in the KHL doesn't mean you'll be good in the NHL when you're talking about players who have been career KHLers.
- Rinosaur

You.. aren't right. You haven't provided any actual evidence. You're just spouting false narratives.

I'm honestly finished with you. You can't have a normal conversation and just look to bully people who you disagree with. There's a reason you regularly get suspended from here.

You want to call me an idiot? We're done.
- Rinosaur

Name one female dog

You.. aren't right. You haven't provided any actual evidence. You're just spouting false narratives.
- j.boyd919

Medvedev, Burmistrov and Kalinin

Name one female dog
- Feds91Stammer

I've actually been trying to google it just to see if there is a list of "failed KHL players" and I can't even find a lit or anything. I know he said Plotnikov, but dude never produced more than 40 points in the KHL, so a lot of people had misguided expectations for him in the NHL. He was never going to put up 40+ points here, and anyone who knew anything about hockey outside the NHL should have known that.

Medvedev, Burmistrov and Kalinin
- Rinosaur

Medvedev - Never topped 30 points a season in KHL
Burmistrov - 63 points in 107 KHL games, 37 point season and 26 point season
Kalinin - never topped 30 points in a season.

You mentioned 3 guys who do not produce in the KHL like Shipyachov.

Medvedev, Burmistrov and Kalinin
- Rinosaur

- Feds91Stammer

right? this (frank)in guy lol and he calls us out of our element.

right? this (frank)in guy lol and he calls us out of our element.
- j.boyd919

Let's compare a guy that outproduced Kovy and Datsyuk in the KHL to (frank)ing Kalinin

Medvedev - Never topped 30 points a season in KHL
Burmistrov - 63 points in 107 KHL games, 37 point season and 26 point season
Kalinin - never topped 30 points in a season.

You mentioned 3 guys who do not produce in the KHL like Shipyachov.
- j.boyd919

They still produced/well at the KHL level, so they should have been able to make something of themselves.