Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC Joined: 02.01.2012
Oct 26 @ 10:36 AM ET
Guess they might still want a more offensive -minded center. But I agree, I'd wait. I've been among those wanting a more offensive 3C and copy what Toronto has, but maybe with our wings having Sheahan be the defensive conscience between say Sheary and Sprong will work out. Seemed to be how Detroit used him in his best years. - Tojo.
Sheahan just needs skilled wingers.
He spent a lot of time with Tatar, Jurco, and Nyquist when producing.
Tatar is one of the best 2 way wingers in the league.
Yeah... no thanks. The Pens at least know what they have in Hagelin, good or bad. Shipachyov is still largely an unknown.
I get that the money make sense, but if this trade were trade place it's Vegas that would need to sweeten the deal, not the Pens. You don't sweeten the deal for a player who unproven and can't crack the lineup.
What happened to Galchunuk? last I read he was on the 4th in MTL? - sammy87
MTL is a sh*t show right now. They don't know whether scratch their watch or wind their butt.
Regardless, unless some amazing deal just falls on their laps, I personally think the Pens are going to wait until the deadline to see how Sheahan fits as they should.
Yeah... no thanks. The Pens at least know what they have in Hagelin, good or bad. Shipachyov is still largely an unknown.
I get that the money make sense, but if this trade were trade place it's Vegas that would need to sweeten the deal, not the Pens. You don't sweeten the deal for a player who unproven and can't crack the lineup. - Rinosaur
See, it's not just a Hagelin for Shipachyov deal, it also opens a roster spot for Sprong, pushes Reaves out of the lineup, essentially giving the Pens 4 solid lines. He may be an "unknown" as in NHL production, but dude put up 70+ points in 40 games in the KHL. He can play hockey. And if he's getting 3rd line minutes, he will probably see more favorable matchups, I could easily see him hitting somewhere between 30-45 points.
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC Joined: 02.01.2012
Oct 26 @ 11:42 AM ET
Yeah... no thanks. The Pens at least know what they have in Hagelin, good or bad. Shipachyov is still largely an unknown.
I get that the money make sense, but if this trade were trade place it's Vegas that would need to sweeten the deal, not the Pens. You don't sweeten the deal for a player who unproven and can't crack the lineup. - Rinosaur
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF Joined: 12.12.2014
Oct 26 @ 11:54 AM ET
See, it's not just a Hagelin for Shipachyov deal, it also opens a roster spot for Sprong, pushes Reaves out of the lineup, essentially giving the Pens 4 solid lines. He may be an "unknown" as in NHL production, but dude put up 70+ points in 40 games in the KHL. He can play hockey. And if he's getting 3rd line minutes, he will probably see more favorable matchups, I could easily see him hitting somewhere between 30-45 points. - j.boyd919
Not gonna happen to the old man's major offseason pick up, unfortunately.
See, it's not just a Hagelin for Shipachyov deal, it also opens a roster spot for Sprong, pushes Reaves out of the lineup, essentially giving the Pens 4 solid lines. He may be an "unknown" as in NHL production, but dude put up 70+ points in 40 games in the KHL. He can play hockey. And if he's getting 3rd line minutes, he will probably see more favorable matchups, I could easily see him hitting somewhere between 30-45 points. - j.boyd919
Sprong plays RW. I don't know if they feel he can be as effective at LW. Moving Hagelin, as you know, opens up the LW, not the RW. I'm not sure how all of this pushes Reaves out of the lineup.
Sheary, Kessel, Hornqvist and Reaves are the Pens currently playing RW. Are you saying Sprong plays the fourth line? Who moves over to the left to replace Hagelin?
Sprong plays RW. I don't know if they feel he can be as effective at LW. Moving Hagelin, as you know, opens up the LW, not the RW. I'm not sure how all of this pushes Reaves out of the lineup.
Sheary, Kessel, Hornqvist and Reaves are the Pens currently playing RW. Are you saying Sprong plays the fourth line? Who moves over to the left to replace Hagelin? - Rinosaur
By moving Guentzel to 3LW to give Ship some skill on his wing, it creates a RW hole in the top 6, giving Sprong an opportunity to put up points, and since Reaves doesn't kill penalties, or, really play at all... Kuhnhackl becomes the 4th line RW.
Sprong plays RW. I don't know if they feel he can be as effective at LW. Moving Hagelin, as you know, opens up the LW, not the RW. I'm not sure how all of this pushes Reaves out of the lineup.
Sheary, Kessel, Hornqvist and Reaves are the Pens currently playing RW. Are you saying Sprong plays the fourth line? Who moves over to the left to replace Hagelin? - Rinosaur
Yeah, playing Sprong on the 4th on opposite wing would drastically neuter his game and basically make him about as useful as a fork in soup, or as Iginla was when he was with the Pens. If Sprong is brought up, he's a 2nd or 3rd line player and should never be played purposely out of position just for the sake of playing him. Can't give him that? Then don't bring him up, unless he's the only warm body they have. Even though he's also a RW, I'd bring up Archibald before Sprong as his skill set is better suited for 4th line minutes, even playing opposite position.
Yeah, playing Sprong on the 4th on opposite wing would drastically neuter his game and basically make him about as useful as a fork in soup, or as Iginla was when he was with the Pens. If Sprong is brought up, he's a 2nd or 3rd line player and should never be played purposely out of position just for the sake of playing him. Can't give him that? Then don't bring him up, unless he's the only warm body they have. Even though he's also a RW, I'd bring up Archibald before Sprong as his skill set is better suited for 4th line minutes, even playing opposite position. - NJPensfan
Not a single post has said to play him out of position.... OR to play him on the 4th line....
Not a single post has said to play him out of position.... OR to play him on the 4th line.... - j.boyd919
Really? This is what I was replying to:
"Sprong plays RW. I don't know if they feel he can be as effective at LW. Moving Hagelin, as you know, opens up the LW, not the RW. I'm not sure how all of this pushes Reaves out of the lineup.
Sheary, Kessel, Hornqvist and Reaves are the Pens currently playing RW. Are you saying Sprong plays the fourth line? Who moves over to the left to replace Hagelin?"
Are you trying to pick a fight? Wanna see my shocked face?
By moving Guentzel to 3LW to give Ship some skill on his wing, it creates a RW hole in the top 6, giving Sprong an opportunity to put up points, and since Reaves doesn't kill penalties, or, really play at all... Kuhnhackl becomes the 4th line RW. - j.boyd919
Sorry, not trying to be a a pain, but I'm not following...
You say this like he is some 19 year old rookie... - Feds91Stammer
It doesn't matter. What players do in the KHL or other European leagues doesn't just translate to the NHL that easily. It's a completely different game.
Now, I'm not saying HE CAN'T do it, but he's done nothing yet to show he can. Does Plotnikov ring a bell? Damien Bruenner?
It's one thing for a player to be drafted as a rookie and have time to ease in and adjust playing in the AHL or simply be given time at the NHL level, but more times than most these players who try and just come over to make the jump fail.
