Keeping Yam is a mistake. He's looked ok with McDavid but not great but who doesn't look good with McDavid?. I think Drai helps that line alot more than Yam. Luc on line 3? PC should be fired if that happens. I think that line up misses the playoffs.
- Iggysbff

Sorry max..but I agree with iggy. .patches is not the answer imho.

We have traded away all of our scoring wingers. If Nuge had a scoring winger out there with him he would have a lot more points himself. Instead he is tasked to drag around guys like Lucic, Strome etc. Nuge is extremely under rated in my book. Trading Nuge forces Drai to play his own line. And that is still as of yet unproven. He scored what was it 3 even strength goals last year away from McDavid? Nuge is the only guy that has not gotten time with McDavid. Why? Because I think he's shown to be the only one that can do what he does without McDavid.

That trade would be yet another huge huge blunder in my opinion.
- Iggysbff

They’ve struggled in the past briefly together, but Ima advocate for putting leon on nuges wing.

Leon gets some insulation in another talented player and this doesn’t have to be depended on to completely drive a line himself. And we spread out the attack.
Which seems more and more imperative after watching this team.

It’s not like yammy is killing it, but they’re at least effective together on the first line.

Worst case, move strome back up there (who was less effective than yammy)

And yeah, pacs ain’t a driver at all. He’s a dangerous one shot snipe. He doesn’t help this team as much as nuge does. If people believed that skill set was more conducive to success, they shoulda been advocating to keep eberle over nuge...

And fuking bench jokinen. He is totally washed up. Useless fukin player

Keeping Yam is a mistake. He's looked ok with McDavid but not great but who doesn't look good with McDavid?. I think Drai helps that line alot more than Yam. Luc on line 3? PC should be fired if that happens. I think that line up misses the playoffs.
- Iggysbff

I agree that Yamo shouldn't be on the team; I was building that more as a playoff line-up as he could hypothetically return by then (Spokane has been hot garbage in years prior, not sure about now). As for Lucic on the third line, he'd still be on the top PP unit but you could make the argument that he could be moved up into Strome's spot and have Strome move down. Neither has been particularly good so arguing off merit has them pretty close.

I disagree with your assessment that this team wouldn't make the playoffs. It hinges on the premise that Draisaitl can run a 2nd line with a guy like Pacioretty flanking him and the 3rd line can saw off (25-30 points, solid defensively). I believe that's completely reasonable.

They’ve struggled in the past briefly together, but Ima advocate for putting leon on nuges wing.

Leon gets some insulation in another talented player and this doesn’t have to be depended on to completely drive a line himself. And we spread out the attack.
Which seems more and more imperative after watching this team.

It’s not like yammy is killing it, but they’re at least effective together on the first line.

Worst case, move strome back up there (who was less effective than yammy)

And yeah, pacs ain’t a driver at all. He’s a dangerous one shot snipe. He doesn’t help this team as much as nuge does. If people believed that skill set was more conducive to success, they shoulda been advocating to keep eberle over nuge...

And fuking bench jokinen. He is totally washed up. Useless fukin player
- HB77

I'm not gonna comment on the rest as I laid out my stance in a different post and there's little point to laying out again, but Pacioretty is world's apart from Eberle (not saying world's better; but different and better). Let's not confuse that.

Eberle was not, is not and never will be a shooter. He dangled his goals in with the odd top corner tally, but he's never had a particularly hard shot.

Pacioretty is a great example of a shooter and also brings size (not physicality), above average speed and a solid two-way game to the table- things you can't say of Eberle. The only thing similar about them is they're wingers that are offensively talented.

As for being a "driver", I guess it depends on your stance. He scored the way he did with guys like Plekanec and Gallagher on his line so he's evidently got some serious offensive chops. Besides, it's not like Nuge is even remotely close to being a "driver", either.

I'm not gonna comment on the rest as I laid out my stance in a different post and there's little point to laying out again, but Pacioretty is world's apart from Eberle (not saying world's better; but different and better). Let's not confuse that.

Eberle was not, is not and never will be a shooter. He dangled his goals in with the odd top corner tally, but he's never had a particularly hard shot.

Pacioretty is a great example of a shooter and also brings size (not physicality), above average speed and a solid two-way game to the table- things you can't say of Eberle. The only thing similar about them is they're wingers that are offensively talented.

As for being a "driver", I guess it depends on your stance. He scored the way he did with guys like Plekanec and Gallagher on his line so he's evidently got some serious offensive chops. Besides, it's not like Nuge is even remotely close to being a "driver", either.
- MaximumBone

Talented scorers who need a puck distributor and space to allow them to get on the scoresheet. The fact that their innate skill sets are somewhat different (a one time shooter off the half wall vs a guy that needs to dangle and get to the hash marks) is reasonably inconsequential. They’re essentially depended on for the same job.
Pacs has an avg of about 5 pts more per 82 over his career. And sure, his size in relation to ebs probably constitutes that marginal difference. Doesn’t change the fact that like ebs, if he’s not scoring, he’s not doing much towards a teams success.

Scoring winger-Average skater, isn’t physical, average defensively. Great shot.
Ebs is also a scoring winger- average skater, isn’t physical, mediocre defensively, great hands

As far as nuge, if both him and pacs need help to be effective, then one is certainly gonna go with the center. It’s insane to even surmise that we’d be better off with a winger driving our 2nd line than it would be with nuge.
We’re not talking Tarasenko here, we’re talking Max Pacioretty.

I have no interest in that trade. Nuge is integral to any success we might have. And his ability to provide some offence and play the opposition top lines from the pivot position is a huge reason why. In fact, his lower totals offensively because of the role we desperately need from him generally make those totals acceptable. To say the least.

One of our high ceiling young wingers+ for pac instead? I’d be interested in that case

- laughs2907

What in the (frank) did you just show the world?

poop Max. As much as it pains me to do so, iggy and HB are right on this. There is no way it makes sense to move Nuge for Patches. Nuge just does way more for that trade to make sense.

poop Max. As much as it pains me to do so, iggy and HB are right on this. There is no way it makes sense to move Nuge for Patches. Nuge just does way more for that trade to make sense.
- McSavioursPupil

For the sake of clarity, I'm not bullish on this trade nor would I 100% do it. My reaction is more or less what I perceived to be an undervaluing of Pacioretty and horribly biased framing of the trade.

I think the deal makes sense for both sides; perhaps I overreacted in response to what I perceived. Apologies you plugs if it came across wrong.

I will maintain that Patches is a top quality scoring winger with a solid two-way game and the ability to drive his own line's production.

What in the (frank) did you just show the world?
- RafiDRW

The best version of Pumped Up Kicks ever

The best version of Pumped Up Kicks ever
- laughs2907

This guy is going to sing at my kids birth.

This guy is going to sing at my kids birth.
- RafiDRW

I'm going to make babies to that song.

"So the rest of the HNIC panel asked Friedman who exactly did he think the Oilers would offer? No, it wasn't Leon Draisaitl, Friedman suggested the Oilers trade Ryan Nugent-Hopkins for Pacioretty.

That drew a pretty good laugh from the rest of the panel, as anybody who knows both players, knows that deal makes no sense whatever.

We're pretty sure the only way Pacioretty would find himself in Edmonton is if Draisaitl or Connor McDavid were going the other way."

http://www.hockeyinsiders...azy-habs-blocksbuster-tr/

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Flames and Oil losing, things are getting ruff

For the sake of clarity, I'm not bullish on this trade nor would I 100% do it. My reaction is more or less what I perceived to be an undervaluing of Pacioretty and horribly biased framing of the trade.

I think the deal makes sense for both sides; perhaps I overreacted in response to what I perceived. Apologies you plugs if it came across wrong.

I will maintain that Patches is a top quality scoring winger with a solid two-way game and the ability to drive his own line's production.
- MaximumBone

Personally I don't care for the trade idea. Yes the Oil could use a scoring winger. But once Nuge was gone they'd then be in need of a 2/3 C.

Now if Max could be had for picks and prospects, or Lucic (yeah I know, I'm dreaming), then yes I'd be cool with it.

"So the rest of the HNIC panel asked Friedman who exactly did he think the Oilers would offer? No, it wasn't Leon Draisaitl, Friedman suggested the Oilers trade Ryan Nugent-Hopkins for Pacioretty.

That drew a pretty good laugh from the rest of the panel, as anybody who knows both players, knows that deal makes no sense whatever.

We're pretty sure the only way Pacioretty would find himself in Edmonton is if Draisaitl or Connor McDavid were going the other way."

http://www.hockeyinsiders...azy-habs-blocksbuster-tr/

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- laughs2907

Consistent 30 goal scorers are worth a lot. And he most likely is worth more than nuge on pure value. Regardless, I’d have little to no interest in it

And for Leon or Connor is absolutely ludicrous

I'm going to make babies to that song.
- laughs2907

Dude (Tonga) is from Peru, just like Alex Oil... but I think Tonga speaks better english than Alex.

Check this one out Laughs. I named my Jeep after the cougar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ktc-8zagd0

Consistent 30 goal scorers are worth a lot. And he most likely is worth more than nuge on pure value. Regardless, I’d have little to no interest in it

And for Leon or Connor is absolutely ludicrous
- HB77

See I don't think the same way. Quality centers have a lot of value, and are a more important position than winger. Based on that alone I don't see Nuge as being lesser value than MP.

There is no way I would want to lose the center depth, seeing the Oil have 3 Top6 centermen, just to add a scoring winger.

As for the last part about Leon or McD. I would never be able to look as a piece of writing from that site with any credibility again, though it is not like I look at that site as credible anyway.

Really going to come down to what value PC sees in RNH. If he's still a guy PC deems as expendable then a trade could very well happen. If he's been quietly waiting Patches really is a guy that a GM would want.

Personally I don't care for the trade idea. Yes the Oil could use a scoring winger. But once Nuge was gone they'd then be in need of a 2/3 C.

Now if Max could be had for picks and prospects, or Lucic (yeah I know, I'm dreaming), then yes I'd be cool with it.
- Wildschwein

You're not getting Pacioretty for Lucic or even Nuge. It's a slow strart. They won't give him away.

Who cares about the Oilers? there is much bigger news.....


The Janitor has risen

You're not getting Pacioretty for Lucic or even Nuge. It's a slow strart. They won't give him away.
- deadpoulet

Don't worry bud, you can keep him

Yup It was...but still no where near the face or eye.

I'm not believing the roomers of the fight at the cactus club....these days someone would have got a pic or video and tweeted it instantly.
- Iggysbff

Found some footage of Draisaitl drunk at the Cactus club...sorry all...

Dude (Tonga) is from Peru, just like Alex Oil... but I think Tonga speaks better english than Alex.

Check this one out Laughs. I named my Jeep after the cougar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ktc-8zagd0
- DuranDuran

That chick with the big breasts may be 70, but I still want to bang her.

See I don't think the same way. Quality centers have a lot of value, and are a more important position than winger. Based on that alone I don't see Nuge as being lesser value than MP.

There is no way I would want to lose the center depth, seeing the Oil have 3 Top6 centermen, just to add a scoring winger.

As for the last part about Leon or McD. I would never be able to look as a piece of writing from that site with any credibility again, though it is not like I look at that site as credible anyway.
- McSavioursPupil

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