No...just no...Toronto was awful for a decade. Just because they brought in new management 3 years ago doesn't mean that was when they started the rebuild. They have Kadri, Rielly, JVR, Nylander, Marner, Mathews all top 10 draft picks not to mention the 2nd overall they traded away for Kessel. This bs that they turned it in 3 years is the biggest horseshyt ever.
- Iggysbff

The leafs didn't tank and rebuild until Shanahan got here. Burke was trying to win as was Nonis and both failed to do so while destroying the teams ability to compete. Whether it's trading two firsts, something a rebuilding doesn't do( in fact those teams collect them instead), signing Komi, Beauch, Clarkson....it was last place finishes despite trying to win. Being a bad team isn't rebuilding. It's failing.

The rebuild started when the core was dismantled. From moving from Bernier/Reimer. Trading Phaneuf. Trading Kessel. Making Lupul/Robidas/Clarkson etc vanish into thin air. That is when the rebuild began. Not the hot mess before Shanahan tore it down and started fresh.

The leafs didn't tank and rebuild until Shanahan got here. Burke was trying to win as was Nonis and both failed to do so while destroying the teams ability to compete. Whether it's trading two firsts, something a rebuilding doesn't do( in fact those teams collect them instead), signing Komo, Beauch, Clarkson....it was last place finishes despite trying to win. Being a bad team isn't rebuilding. It's failing.

The rebuild started when the core was dismantled. From moving from Bernier/Reimer. Trading Phaneuf. Trading Kessel. Making Lupul/Robidas/Clarkson etc vanish into thin hair. That is when the rebuild began. Not the hot mess before Shanahan tore it down and started fresh.
- systemtool

He's fully aware, just Iggy being Iggy

Nah. They rebuilt in 3 years.

It was easy peasy
- walshyleafsfan

Agreed. Only 9 of the 23 players on the roster were brought in before Lou/Dubs/Babs/Hunts. Not even half. Stupid old man Iggy.

The Leafs made the playoffs in the shortened season, they weren't in a rebuild mode then.

IMO this true rebuild started with the hiring of Shanahan and Lou Lams. They weren't in rebuild mode before then, they just sucked.

JVR was not a Leafs draft pick. They don't have any of their first rounders from 2010-2013 in their lineup.
- Kinger34

Rielly.

Rielly.
- Steven_Seagull

Biggs?

The leafs didn't tank and rebuild until Shanahan got here. Burke was trying to win as was Nonis and both failed to do so while destroying the teams ability to compete. Whether it's trading two firsts, something a rebuilding doesn't do( in fact those teams collect them instead), signing Komi, Beauch, Clarkson....it was last place finishes despite trying to win. Being a bad team isn't rebuilding. It's failing.

The rebuild started when the core was dismantled. From moving from Bernier/Reimer. Trading Phaneuf. Trading Kessel. Making Lupul/Robidas/Clarkson etc vanish into thin air. That is when the rebuild began. Not the hot mess before Shanahan tore it down and started fresh.
- systemtool

Doesn’t matter if they tanked. They sucked for a decade. Like the oil.
The Avs made the playoffs that one year when they got flukey. Does that mean they didn’t start a rebuild until last year?

Suck or tank doesn’t matter. They’ve been building for a long long time.

Agreed. Only 9 of the 23 players on the roster were brought in before Lou/Dubs/Babs/Hunts. Not even half. Stupid old man Iggy.
- Steven_Seagull

Did the oilers rebuild start with McDavid? Not many players from before Chia took over are on the roster. I guess Chia rebuilt the oil in 2 years.

Doesn’t matter if they tanked. They sucked for a decade. Like the oil.
The Avs made the playoffs that one year when they got flukey. Does that mean they didn’t start a rebuild until last year?

Suck or tank doesn’t matter. They’ve been building for a long long time.
- ghostofRC

Since 67.

Amirite?

Yeah, I'm right.

Doesn’t matter if they tanked. They sucked for a decade. Like the oil.
The Avs made the playoffs that one year when they got flukey. Does that mean they didn’t start a rebuild until last year?

Suck or tank doesn’t matter. They’ve been building for a long long time.
- ghostofRC

different strategies and management. cant treat them all the same.

Did the oilers rebuild start with McDavid? Not many players from before Chia took over are on the roster. I guess Chia rebuilt the oil in 2 years.
- ghostofRC

No it starts with a 1st overall pick.

Oilers started with Hall.

Leafs with Matthews.

Leafs rebuild started the June before last. Or 16 months if you will

Did the oilers rebuild start with McDavid? Not many players from before Chia took over are on the roster. I guess Chia rebuilt the oil in 2 years.
- ghostofRC

it started when they tore down what the previous regime built. when the focus shifted to the future and not the present. you decide when that happened. i don't follow the oilers.

for the Leafs it was when they got a new president. gm. coach. when they told the fans "there will be pain" and proceeded to focus on the draft and prospects and not the play on the ice.

it started when they tore down what the previous regime built. when the focus shifted to the future and not the present. you decide when that happened. i don't follow the oilers.

for the Leafs it was when they got a new president. gm. coach. when they told the fans "there will be pain" and proceeded to focus on the draft and prospects and not the play on the ice.
- systemtool

On a separate note, when was the pain? I missed it. I think I sneezed

Did the oilers rebuild start with McDavid? Not many players from before Chia took over are on the roster. I guess Chia rebuilt the oil in 2 years.
- ghostofRC

derp

derp
- Steven_Seagull

I don't think the Oilers rebuild has even started yet.

derp
- Steven_Seagull

the oilers rebuild...from the little i noticed about it... happened. that doesnt mean it wasnt a poorly built product. it seems to have finally come together but its built on a single foundation, arguably two. i dont think what chia has built is stable, but that foundation it sits on is the best in the business.

the oilers rebuild...from the little i noticed about it... happened. that doesnt mean it wasnt a poorly built product. it seems to have finally come together but its built on a single foundation, arguably two. i dont think what chia has built is stable, but that foundation it sits on is the best in the business.
- systemtool

Foundation? When did we trade them Matthews?

Ah leafs fans. Everything applies only to other teams. You’re special.

Ah leafs fans. Everything applies only to other teams. You’re special.
- ghostofRC

your feelings would go great sprinkled on fries. or lamb.

No it starts with a 1st overall pick.

Oilers started with Hall.

Leafs with Matthews.

Leafs rebuild started the June before last. Or 16 months if you will
- walshyleafsfan

Then i guess we will wait for the sabres to start a rebuild.

Rielly.
- Steven_Seagull

poop, you're right. Totally forgot about 44. My bad.

Ah leafs fans. Everything applies only to other teams. You’re special.
- ghostofRC

Why don't you tell us when the Oilers rebuild started?

Hall? RNH? Yakipoo? Or McJesus?

Hard to base it off first overalls, there's been so many of them