So Doug Weight played hockey for years and played well so what's the problem? If Pulock cannot help what can actually help the PP and what can help this team play better?
- ses111

Dougs not playing, he's only coaching big difference

But having the big shot attracts defenders to you as the need to block such a shot is important (due to the chaos it can create). This in turn opens up more space for that lateral movement you want for success.

Hell, who's to say that he couldn't be positioned in the Ovi/Laine spot? If his shot is accurate enough, he could be more dangerous there than an Eberle (better next to the net) or Ho Sang.

EDIT: Just for clarity, I'm not arguing that Pulock's slapshot alone should be enough for him to be in the lineup; merely contesting the argument surrounding heavy point shots.
- MaximumBone

Hitting your edit. Have you watched the Islanders PP in action? The failed zone entries? The motion less players? There is more wrong with the PP and a 105 mph slap shot isn't fixing the problems. Not to mention they have had some golden opportunities and have not buried them.

Any shot from the point needs to be defended, whether it's 90 MPH or 105. I've never had a coach say don't defend his shot from the point
Typically OV, Laine, Stamkos are quick release 1 timers. Pulocks is a big wind up slapshot from the point. Big difference, not as much time here in the NHL to get it off. Again he scored 5 PP goals last year in the AHL.
- nyisles7

Oscar Klefbom only scored 1 PP goal in his AHL time and yet he's now a dangerous weapon on an Oilers PP that was among the league's best last year. System, approach, linemates and usage will impact results.

Obviously McDavid has something to do with it running as well as it did, but it wasn't top of the league good until Klefbom took over for Sekera on the point.

As for respecting every shot, it's true that every shot needs to be respected (except Elias Lindholm). Everyone in the league can pick a corner and snipe if given too much space. However, think about the added pressure on a goalie who has to prep himself to receive and control a 100mph shot vs an 80mph shot. Whether he's catching or deflecting it, it's going to be harder to control.

So Doug Weight played hockey for years and played well so what's the problem? If Pulock cannot help what can actually help the PP and what can help this team play better?
- ses111

Well jts head out of his ass for starters I remember when he got the puck and made plays on a shift by shift basis and now it's like once a game. 3 points all in one game which means hes done Richard in 5

Face offs aren't important
- nyisles7

Never said face offs aren't important d!ckweed.

Oscar Klefbom only scored 1 PP goal in his AHL time and yet he's now a dangerous weapon on an Oilers PP that was among the league's best last year. System, approach, linemates and usage will impact results.

Obviously McDavid has something to do with it running as well as it did, but it wasn't top of the league good until Klefbom took over for Sekera on the point.

As for respecting every shot, it's true that every shot needs to be respected (except Elias Lindholm). Everyone in the league can pick a corner and snipe if given too much space. However, think about the added pressure on a goalie who has to prep himself to receive and control a 100mph shot vs an 80mph shot. Whether he's catching or deflecting it, it's going to be harder to control.
- MaximumBone

Look pal i shot 76 in high school so no way an nhler is only shooting 80 from the point so you're adding a bit of padding to your argument.

Well jts head out of his ass for starters I remember when he got the puck and made plays on a shift by shift basis and now it's like once a game. 3 points all in one game which means hes done Richard in 5
- Upstate_isles

How dare you blame JT sir? He has no help whatsoever. JT seemed better when he had guys like Boyes on his wing.

Never said face offs aren't important d!ckweed.
- Isleshockeyman

Look 7 is being a little female dog tonight let's roll with it and see where it goes

So if he isn't good enough to crack the coaches lineup he should play? Even if the coach feels he isn't ready or can't compete? I guess your answer to this is yes?
How about the kid earns a spot? What the phuck is this a kindergarten. The coach is going to field the team he thinks is the best to win with. That's his job to win hockey games. There's no other answer other than that.

Don't go with the exaggerating BS on me. It doesn't work. If the 105 mile per hour shot goes in so does the 98 mph shot, the shots don't go through the goalie there has to be an opening. So I'm done with this conversation because it's like pissing into a fan.


- nyisles7

Um ok. So a 98 mph shot is like a 105? So I guess an 85 mph shot is. Or... Yeah this was almost ridiculous as the last post. So whatever Weight says is indisputably the right thing? Haha. I never said Pulock should have been on the opening night roster. Never said he has to help the PP but where do you draw the line and how does he "earn it" when he's not even (frank)ing playing? Does having a good practice make him an nhl player? You're saying this debate is like pissing into a fan go reread your convoluted incoherent posts and get back to me. Yoy avoided the point and deferred all questions to Weight. Bahwahwahwah

Again Ses, there is more wrong with the PP then a 100 plus mph shot missing. The best PPs in the league are producing because of clean entries, crisp and fast puck movements. The shot doesn't have to be a slapshot from the point to go in if it is executed properly. More than not the shots are one timers from the dots in or back door plays
Again you need a clean entry, you need puck movement to open a shooting lane before the shot even comes into play.
- nyisles7

Exactly. Ovi and Stamkos score from the face off circle. The puck has to move to create lanes and chances. Have to get the goalies moving. Make them uncomfortable with someone screening.

Look 7 is being a little female dog tonight let's roll with it and see where it goes
- Upstate_isles

Save all questions for Weight. He's the real NHL coach and knows all. Like Capuano.

Save all questions for Weight. He's the real NHL coach and knows all. Like Capuano.
- Cptmjl

Wow boys it's a real cock fight in here tonight, let's all remember that "we're all islanders"^®

Um ok. So a 98 mph shot is like a 105? So I guess an 85 mph shot is. Or... Yeah this was almost ridiculous as the last post. So whatever Weight says is indisputably the right thing? Haha. I never said Pulock should have been on the opening night roster. Never said he has to help the PP but where do you draw the line and how does he "earn it" when he's not even (frank)ing playing? Does having a good practice make him an nhl player? You're saying this debate is like pissing into a fan go reread your convoluted incoherent posts and get back to me. Yoy avoided the point and deferred all questions to Weight. Bahwahwahwah
- Cptmjl

Again this was my point. When did Weight become this great coach that cannot have his moves questioned? Guys were ready to riot when Barzal was in the pressbox last year and he took those back to back penalties. Why is it fine for Pulock to sit for 6 games with a 0-20 PP and the Isles at 2-3? I get fans are happy Cappy is no longer coaching, but not all issues have been resolved.

Wow boys it's a real cock fight in here tonight, let's all remember that "we're all islanders"^TM
- Upstate_isles

Please do not remind us.

Oscar Klefbom only scored 1 PP goal in his AHL time and yet he's now a dangerous weapon on an Oilers PP that was among the league's best last year. System, approach, linemates and usage will impact results.

Obviously McDavid has something to do with it running as well as it did, but it wasn't top of the league good until Klefbom took over for Sekera on the point.

As for respecting every shot, it's true that every shot needs to be respected (except Elias Lindholm). Everyone in the league can pick a corner and snipe if given too much space. However, think about the added pressure on a goalie who has to prep himself to receive and control a 100mph shot vs an 80mph shot. Whether he's catching or deflecting it, it's going to be harder to control.
- MaximumBone

It's not one guy, having McJesus certainly helps but Klefbom had 3 pp goals last year and 16 PP assists. That's with Some pretty skilled guys out there with him. He did dog Shat the years prior so I think you helped prove my point that a big shot isn't worth it unless you can get it locked and loaded with time. That my friend takes a unit of five.

Never said face offs aren't important d!ckweed.
- Isleshockeyman

Shut the phuck up douche

Shut the phuck up douche
- nyisles7

Piss off d!ckhead. Just because you & Cpt are slapping cocks, doesn't mean you can get pissy with or take it out on me.

Hitting your edit. Have you watched the Islanders PP in action? The failed zone entries? The motion less players? There is more wrong with the PP and a 105 mph slap shot isn't fixing the problems. Not to mention they have had some golden opportunities and have not buried them.
- nyisles7

I can't say I've seen much of it. That game earlier against Buffalo and a bit of your last game. The small sample is why Ive avoided arguing this point in the context of the Isles' situation. There's undoubtedly more problems than JUST a lacking point option.

I just recall how the Oilers' PP had its fair share of struggles when Sekera and Eberle were on the top unit. The big shot changed the dynamic and opened up space for Letestu's effectiveness to be maximized.

What the fuck happened in here tonight? We all know the PP sucks. It's not going to'change unless they change the system. Bring in Pulock, bring in Toews, Christ, bring in Potvin in his prime. It wouldn't matter. Nobody moves, nobody passes well. Hell, they can't even enter the zone. If you don't move, you don't score. It's very simple. Been that way for decades.

It's not one guy, having McJesus certainly helps but Klefbom had 3 pp goals last year and 16 PP assists. That's with Some pretty skilled guys out there with him. He did dog Shat the years prior so I think you helped prove my point that a big shot isn't worth it unless you can get it locked and loaded with time. That my friend takes a unit of five.
- nyisles7

Klefbom barely got PP time in years prior, so no, that doesn't prove your point at all. As for the higher assist total, those are often the result of one of his big shots either creating a rebound or getting tipped in.

The Isles have just as much offensive skill as the Oilers do with JT, Barzal, Eberle, Ho Sang, Bailey (lol just kidding) and Leddy. It's about finding a mix of the right elements. Maybe a big shot is part of that right mix, maybe it's not.

I can't say I've seen much of it. That game earlier against Buffalo and a bit of your last game. The small sample is why Ive avoided arguing this point in the context of the Isles' situation. There's undoubtedly more problems than JUST a lacking point option.

I just recall how the Oilers' PP had its fair share of struggles when Sekera and Eberle were on the top unit. The big shot changed the dynamic and opened up space for Letestu's effectiveness to be maximized.
- MaximumBone

The whole problem is the PP system itself. It's been the same for years. Even with a "new" coach, it's still the same as when he ran it. Bailey being on a point is ridiculous. If you want to go with 4 forwards, fine. Just make sure they can move the puck. And they don't.

Look pal i shot 76 in high school so no way an nhler is only shooting 80 from the point so you're adding a bit of padding to your argument.
- Upstate_isles

In fairness, that wasn't me padding my argument. 80mph was a total mentioned earlier in the debate by someone else; I simply maintained it as it represented the lighter shot.

Klefbom barely got PP time in years prior, so no, that doesn't prove your point at all. As for the higher assist total, those are often the result of one of his big shots either creating a rebound or getting tipped in.

The Isles have just as much offensive skill as the Oilers do with JT, Barzal, Eberle, Ho Sang, Bailey (lol just kidding) and Leddy. It's about finding a mix of the right elements. Maybe a big shot is part of that right mix, maybe it's not.
- MaximumBone

It's not. Klef amassing more points was a result of a system that works. That moves the puck, creates shooting lanes and gets the goalie moving. The Isles have no such system.

The whole problem is the PP system itself. It's been the same for years. Even with a "new" coach, it's still the same as when he ran it. Bailey being on a point is ridiculous. If you want to go with 4 forwards, fine. Just make sure they can move the puck. And they don't.
- Isleshockeyman

I don't doubt it's a systems problem at all. It usually is when discussing PPs.

Um ok. So a 98 mph shot is like a 105? So I guess an 85 mph shot is. Or... Yeah this was almost ridiculous as the last post. So whatever Weight says is indisputably the right thing? Haha. I never said Pulock should have been on the opening night roster. Never said he has to help the PP but where do you draw the line and how does he "earn it" when he's not even (frank)ing playing? Does having a good practice make him an nhl player? You're saying this debate is like pissing into a fan go reread your convoluted incoherent posts and get back to me. Yoy avoided the point and deferred all questions to Weight. Bahwahwahwah
- Cptmjl

If he's not going to help the PP what the phuck are you even having this conversation for? That's what the whole things about numbnutz! Go burp your bride and go to bed your getting sleepy old man.

If you (frank) up in pre season then yes you earn it in practice. Have you ever even seen an Islanders or pro practice. There's plenty of opportunities to prove you self.

I have to say I would love to have a HB rent out scrimmage one day it would be great seeing everyone know how and talents on the ice