Maybe. I think most of those players (Lyon, Vorobyev, Lindblom) are better off in terms of development, playing big minutes in the minors.
- mickel25

Lyon is far better off being the Phantoms starter than an NHL backup.

Throwing Vorobyev into the NHL as a 20 year old instead of letting him be a top 6 center on the Phantoms would be asinine in the extreme.

Vorobyev and Vecchione also aren't as good NHL centers as Filppula.

Fair. So next year. Only filpula comes off the books that's currently on the nhl roster. Now what ?
- Tfaehner

So the Flyers will be even younger next year. Probably top 5 youngest in the league. And you'll still be whining.

Patrick seems to be working it out fine in the NFL doesn't he ? I actually think vorobyev offensive instincts were really good and he's defensively responsible. Would actually love to slot u in with weal Simmonds and keep tk nolan together. Could move filp to wing on nolan tk line. Or you add lindblom and take filp completely out. Good game bad game - I don't use Weise as a whopping boy like some. Filp Weise etc won't be a part of this team when it's contending so I don't care about their minutes
- Tfaehner

Vorobyev needs more development time in the AHL. While Lindblom's play away from the puck was NHL caliber his offensive game was lacking. AHL time to develop that aspect of his game is what is best for the player right now.

Isn't Morin waiver exempt next year? I might be wrong. If he is, he is either on the Flyers or on another NHL roster. No chance in hell he clears waivers. I would think the Flyers will want to see what they have at some point this season with the big club.

Oops :'(

But let's say we did things that little bit differently. Filp Weise for lindblom vorobyev gudas for Morin. Lyons nhl back up. What would of hurt ? Do we get closer to our future ? I think we do.
- Tfaehner

Lindblom for Weise probably would be an upgrade, but I think it benefits Lindblom's overall development to get a little time playing in all situations at LHV for a short time.

Vorobyev for Filpulla would be a mistake right now, IMO. Vorobyev would not be able to do what Filpulla is doing right now on the Pp and he's a well respected veteran on the team. Plus he speaks no English whatsoever. Again, I think it's best for the kid to be in the AHL right now and that, when you are trying to build from within, should be the main priority.

Morin for Gudas is more about being comfortable on the right side. Morin has only played the left side so far in his pro career and I think they prefer Sanheim to break in on his natural side as well. They also don't want to break up the other 2 pairings, nor should they, both are playing well right now. So right now, it's just not a fit. However, I will be disappointed if Morin doesn't get a chance at some point this season. Of all the kids you named, he is, by far, the most NHL ready.

So the Flyers will be even younger next year. Probably top 5 youngest in the league. And you'll still be whining.
- Feanor

My point is where are the spots coming from for the kids ?

Fair. So next year. Only filpula comes off the books that's currently on the nhl roster. Now what ?
- Tfaehner

Hard to see that far ahead. First off, things always can change due to injuries or trades. But, if not, and spots need to be opened, there are other moves that can be made.


Lehtera could be waived
Raffl, with one year left on his deal, could be traded
Weise could become a spare forward

If watching the NHL for nearly half a century has taught me anything, (other than the NHL does a lot of stupid things and Mike Milbury is a jacka$$), it's that these things usually have a way of working themselves out.

My point is where are the spots coming from for the kids ?
- Tfaehner

Weiss, Lehtera, AMac, Read, Gudas could easily be moved to make space for younger/alternate players.

I am not worried about available spots.

Isn't Morin waiver exempt next year? I might be wrong. If he is, he is either on the Flyers or on another NHL roster. No chance in hell he clears waivers. I would think the Flyers will want to see what they have at some point this season with the big club.
- landros 2

They will

My point is where are the spots coming from for the kids ?
- Tfaehner

Weiss, Lehtera, AMac, Read, Gudas could easily be moved to make space for younger/alternate players.

I am not worried about available spots.

Umberger was bought out because they needed the cap space and he had a NMC which prevented him from being sent to the AHL. Neither applies to Lehtera.
- Feanor

Here is the problem as I see it with either buying out or trading vets, AMac or Lehtera. Why would Hexy buy out either to get cap space that he won't need for next year to carry 2 years of of dead cap space. He can get about a million of cap relief by waiving them. but they are still with the team and can be recalled in the event of injury. The same with retaining salary in a trade. Dead cap space. Hexy retained cash to dump some guys but most have been in season dead line deals that expired at years end. I don't see him doing either thing unless he is cap strapped and that isn't the case. Flip, Read, Manning and Umbies, buy out are off the books. About 11 Mil I think. If kids beat them out then vets go to LHV or at least the press box. Where is Read and his 3.6 mil salary now, How many games has Lehtera play with his 5 mil deal? Hexy isn't worried about either the cap OR force feeding more rookies just to make the fans happy. He is doing what HE feels is best for both the team and the players.
I agree I want Sammy to play and he will. Soon. We are almost there.

Here is the problem as I see it with either buying out or trading vets, AMac or Lehtera. Why would Hexy buy out either to get cap space that he won't need for next year to carry 2 years of of dead cap space. He can get about a million of cap relief by waiving them. but they are still with the team and can be recalled in the event of injury. The same with retaining salary in a trade. Dead cap space. Hexy retained cash to dump some guys but most have been in season dead line deals that expired at years end. I don't see him doing either thing unless he is cap strapped and that isn't the case. Flip, Read, Manning and Umbies, buy out are off the books. About 11 Mil I think. If kids beat them out then vets go to LHV or at least the press box. Where is Read and his 3.6 mil salary now, How many games has Lehtera play with his 5 mil deal? Hexy isn't worried about either the cap OR force feeding more rookies just to make the fans happy. He is doing what HE feels is best for both the team and the players.
I agree I want Sammy to play and he will. Soon. We are almost there.
- jaws1955

Vorobyev needs more development time in the AHL. While Lindblom's play away from the puck was NHL caliber his offensive game was lacking. AHL time to develop that aspect of his game is what is best for the player right now.
- MJL

No problem with Vorobyev getting some time in the A.....he was impressive. With Lindblom the sample size and opportunity given I'm not ready to say his offence is a problem at all. It was like 4 games? and he scored...He could easily replace 2 or 3 forwards right now, but his time will come. Rubstov is another kid that may arrive next year...add Vecchione and the guys the Flyers have coming all seem to be skill guys which will only help. Time will tell....To be honest I'm just glad the didn't invite any retreads to camp....thrilled to see kids like Leier and laughton getting the chance and playing well.

Here is the problem as I see it with either buying out or trading vets, AMac or Lehtera. Why would Hexy buy out either to get cap space that he won't need for next year to carry 2 years of of dead cap space. He can get about a million of cap relief by waiving them. but they are still with the team and can be recalled in the event of injury. The same with retaining salary in a trade. Dead cap space. Hexy retained cash to dump some guys but most have been in season dead line deals that expired at years end. I don't see him doing either thing unless he is cap strapped and that isn't the case. Flip, Read, Manning and Umbies, buy out are off the books. About 11 Mil I think. If kids beat them out then vets go to LHV or at least the press box. Where is Read and his 3.6 mil salary now, How many games has Lehtera play with his 5 mil deal? Hexy isn't worried about either the cap OR force feeding more rookies just to make the fans happy. He is doing what HE feels is best for both the team and the players.
I agree I want Sammy to play and he will. Soon. We are almost there.
- jaws1955

they are not in a position to have to waive or buyout anyone. 100% correct.

Hard to see that far ahead. First off, things always can change due to injuries or trades. But, if not, and spots need to be opened, there are other moves that can be made.


Lehtera could be waived
Raffl, with one year left on his deal, could be traded
Weise could become a spare forward

If watching the NHL for nearly half a century has taught me anything, (other than the NHL does a lot of stupid things and Mike Milbury is a jacka$$), it's that these things usually have a way of working themselves out.
- BiggE

I learned that a long time. Majority of perceived cap issues aren't really cap issues. There are many things that change and many ways for a team to deal with the cap. Flyers were often perceived to be in "cap hell" when they were not.

Bill

This may have been asked already. But do you think it would be in the team's and Morin's best interest if they tried to get him some right side experience while down in the AHL?

It is an instructional league in some ways and maybe that wouldn't be such a bad experiment?

Why or why not?

No problem with Vorobyev getting some time in the A.....he was impressive. With Lindblom the sample size and opportunity given I'm not ready to say his offence is a problem at all. It was like 4 games? and he scored...He could easily replace 2 or 3 forwards right now, but his time will come. Rubstov is another kid that may arrive next year...add Vecchione and the guys the Flyers have coming all seem to be skill guys which will only help. Time will tell....To be honest I'm just glad the didn't invite any retreads to camp....thrilled to see kids like Leier and laughton getting the chance and playing well.
- landros 2

It was obvious to me that Linblom was not aggressive and ready to play offensively in the NHL. That perception was confirmed by the Flyers reported thoughts and actions. Linblom could've been kept in the NHL and played there but going to the Phantoms is a much better situation for him right now.
Leier and Laughton both looked like they have grown a lot as players since last season.

I learned that a long time. Majority of perceived cap issues aren't really cap issues. There are many things that change and many ways for a team to deal with the cap. Flyers were often perceived to be in "cap hell" when they were not.
- MJL

on second thought...forget about it

lol how were they not?
- YuenglingJagr

lol how were they?

I learned that a long time. Majority of perceived cap issues aren't really cap issues. There are many things that change and many ways for a team to deal with the cap. Flyers were often perceived to be in "cap hell" when they were not.
- MJL

The only time I thought they were truly in "cap hell" was when they had to sign an amateur player to have a complete roster because they were completely out of cap space. That was ugly.

Now that being said, there have been time where I've felt they could have done a better job at managing their cap situation. However I think they've done a very good job of this under Hextall.

lol how were they?
- MJL

I firmly believe watching PEB and VDV pretend to play hockey for 2 years is one of the layers of hell

they are not in a position to have to waive or buyout anyone. 100% correct.
- landros 2

Well, they already waived Read. The nice thing about that is his salary is gone next year weather he plays in the A or NHL. Lehtera can be waived and Lindblom and Veccs can come up. Won't really change the cap space. Part of the Umby buy out was the NMC. If the could have buried him in LHV they may have sucked up the last year. Not really a fan of dead cap space with no player hidden in the minors.

lol how were they?
- MJL

A couple of years ago they had to call up Chris Conner as a spare forward for a road trip because they only had about $600,000 in cap space.

Hell doesn't exist, but that's far from an ideal situation. Where they are now with the cap is much better.

It was obvious to me that Linblom was not aggressive and ready to play offensively in the NHL. That perception was confirmed by the Flyers reported thoughts and actions. Linblom could've been kept in the NHL and played there but going to the Phantoms is a much better situation for him right now.
Leier and Laughton both looked like they have grown a lot as players since last season.
- MJL

wasn't obvious to any hockey people or he wouldn't have been sent down at the end of camp.