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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 10 @ 11:29 PM ET
Regardless, with 3 minutes left you don't call them both
- Dkos


5-1 PP discrepancy, the Preds were going to get some calls. Don't give them the opportunity.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Oct 10 @ 11:31 PM ET
The players in front of him have the right to their ice space as long as they don't grab Weise. Weise put his arm around the guys neck. If there wasn't a 5-1 PP discrepancy there they probably let it go. MacDonald's however was a legitimate penalty. Accidental but still a legitimate trip.

Hakstol's decision making there to challenge is inexcusable.

- MJL


If the Flyers win the challenge, they are still up a goal and Hak is a ballsy genius, right? Looked incredibly close to me, with 1 guy definitely in before the puck, then coming back out while Hartnell was going in and it certainly looked like the puck wasn't brought back out of the zone. But, that's just after 1 look.

Regardless, I have no problem with Hak's decision as the Preds were still on the PP and could have won it even without the additional man in the box.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Oct 10 @ 11:31 PM ET
The world is coming to an end!
- Sublime55


I heard about that.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 10 @ 11:32 PM ET
If the Flyers win the challenge, they are still up a goal and Hak is a ballsy genius, right? Looked incredibly close to me, with 1 guy definitely in before the puck, then coming back out while Hartnell was going in and it certainly looked like the puck wasn't brought back out of the zone. But, that's just after 1 look.

Regardless, I have no problem with Hak's decision as the Preds were still on the PP and could have won it even without the additional man in the box.

- wolfhounds


Can't agree with you there. If you don't know that it was definitely offsides you don't challenge. Incredibly close means the play is going to stand. Play for OT and a point on the final game of a road trip. Really bad decision on Hakstol's part.
Dkos
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gritty, PA
Joined: 01.15.2007

Oct 10 @ 11:33 PM ET
It negated a possible scoring chance for NSH -- it had to be called.
- Tomahawk


Right and the refs always call every infraction they see. With 3 minutes to go and one penalty already called I think that one could go unnoticed
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Oct 10 @ 11:33 PM ET
If the Flyers win the challenge, they are still up a goal and Hak is a ballsy genius, right? Looked incredibly close to me, with 1 guy definitely in before the puck, then coming back out while Hartnell was going in and it certainly looked like the puck wasn't brought back out of the zone. But, that's just after 1 look.

Regardless, I have no problem with Hak's decision as the Preds were still on the PP and could have won it even without the additional man in the box.

- wolfhounds


That is kinda where I am -- like I said, I don't know that I had the sack to challenge, but when you look at it, wtf. The play is wonky
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Oct 10 @ 11:34 PM ET
Can't agree with you there. If you don't know that it was definitely offsides you don't challenge. Incredibly close means the play is going to stand. Play for OT and a point on the final game of a road trip. Really bad decision on Hakstol's part.
- MJL


I assume they had a better view/analysis of the play than we did. If not, maybe I should apply for that job? Now's the time to strike, right?
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Oct 10 @ 11:36 PM ET
That is kinda where I am -- like I said, I don't know that I had the sack to challenge, but when you look at it, wtf. The play is wonky
- AllInForFlyers


Horrible 3 final minutes, no doubt. Couts almost decapitated a linesman breaking his stick on the goal, and apparently G snapped his stick at the end. Craptastic finish, I'm just not upset at Hak for the challenge.
KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people
Joined: 01.10.2008

Oct 10 @ 11:36 PM ET
I heard about that.
- wolfhounds

(frank)ing Nirabu
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Oct 10 @ 11:37 PM ET
(frank)ing Nirabu
- KINGKENZO

Nibiru*
Skinner
Joined: 11.12.2015

Oct 10 @ 11:37 PM ET
With the technology these days how does Hak make that call, someone has to see it wasn't conclusive. Still want Sanheim sent down and Morin in, Sanheim can skate but if he doesn't get a stick check doesn't win many battles. At least Morin plays with a bit of an edge, we need that on the back end not gonna get any from Ghost, Hagg, McDonald or Sanheim. Hope to see Morin in next game he deserves a shot.
KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people
Joined: 01.10.2008

Oct 10 @ 11:38 PM ET
Nibiru*
- Mordecai

(frank) that place too
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Oct 10 @ 11:39 PM ET
(frank) that place too
- KINGKENZO


pinkfloydfreak
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 04.13.2012

Oct 10 @ 11:43 PM ET
Still want to know who didnt clear the puck on the winning goal..
- opeth_pa


It was either Provorov or Mac. They were the two defensemen on the ice to end the game. Obviously my gut wants to say it was Mac, but it could have been either. I was furious watching that clear attempt at 45ish seconds too. Whoever it was had time and space to turn and lob it right up the center of the ice and instead did that half-assed attempt off the boards.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Oct 10 @ 11:43 PM ET
Horrible 3 final minutes, no doubt. Couts almost decapitated a linesman breaking his stick on the goal, and apparently G snapped his stick at the end. Craptastic finish, I'm just not upset at Hak for the challenge.
- wolfhounds


I mean, what are you gonna do? It's brutal, but they gotta move on and not let this snowball
ggunky
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I like cold beverages, NJ
Joined: 04.09.2008

Oct 10 @ 11:45 PM ET
Idk, to me you need your goalie to make a play. The team fights out of a 3-0 hole and take a 5-3 lead.

At somepoint how about the goalie step up his game and shut the door?

I am not blaming the goalie but damn he was less then average tonight.

Buzzo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dauphin, MB
Joined: 02.07.2011

Oct 10 @ 11:46 PM ET
With the technology these days how does Hak make that call, someone has to see it wasn't conclusive. Still want Sanheim sent down and Morin in, Sanheim can skate but if he doesn't get a stick check doesn't win many battles. At least Morin plays with a bit of an edge, we need that on the back end not gonna get any from Ghost, Hagg, McDonald or Sanheim. Hope to see Morin in next game he deserves a shot.
- Skinner


apparently the arena in Nashville does not have fast wifi and is still using dial up internet.
Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Oct 11 @ 12:35 AM ET
The players in front of him have the right to their ice space as long as they don't grab Weise. Weise put his arm around the guys neck. If there wasn't a 5-1 PP discrepancy there they probably let it go. MacDonald's however was a legitimate penalty. Accidental but still a legitimate trip.

Hakstol's decision making there to challenge is inexcusable.

- MJL


Absolutely, 100%, incorrect. Weise chipped the puck past the defenseman. The puck was behind him. He stepped forward into Weise’s space and made contact with him before Weise grabbed him. The very nature of what that Dman was trying to do was interfere with Weise’s route to the puck.

The right move there is to call nothing or call them both. I vote for letting them play. One player is breaking the rules causing the other to do the same.

It’s another example of a professional sports official not having any feel for the game, not having any consistency, and interjecting himself at the wrong time.

His ticky tack bullpoop (frank)ing call, because he was so (frank)ing desperate to even it up, set off a chain reaction not even he could have foreseen. He probably cringed when the other ref (rightfully so) put his arm up for Mac because he literally had to have known he’d (frank)ed the Flyers.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 11 @ 7:42 AM ET
Absolutely, 100%, incorrect. Weise chipped the puck past the defenseman. The puck was behind him. He stepped forward into Weise’s space and made contact with him before Weise grabbed him. The very nature of what that Dman was trying to do was interfere with Weise’s route to the puck.

The right move there is to call nothing or call them both. I vote for letting them play. One player is breaking the rules causing the other to do the same.

It’s another example of a professional sports official not having any feel for the game, not having any consistency, and interjecting himself at the wrong time.

His ticky tack bullpoop (frank)ing call, because he was so (frank)ing desperate to even it up, set off a chain reaction not even he could have foreseen. He probably cringed when the other ref (rightfully so) put his arm up for Mac because he literally had to have known he’d (frank)ed the Flyers.

- Flyers1218


You're wrong. The defenseman has every right to skate back and take a route to the puck. What the defenseman did there was not a penalty. Weise got called because he took his arm and reached around the players neck and dragged him to the ice. Maybe you can argue that it's not going to lead to a direct scoring chance that late in the game and should be let go, but it was a penalty on Weise. With the PP discrepancy 5-1, the call is expected.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Oct 11 @ 7:47 AM ET
If the Flyers win the challenge, they are still up a goal and Hak is a ballsy genius, right? Looked incredibly close to me, with 1 guy definitely in before the puck, then coming back out while Hartnell was going in and it certainly looked like the puck wasn't brought back out of the zone. But, that's just after 1 look.

Regardless, I have no problem with Hak's decision as the Preds were still on the PP and could have won it even without the additional man in the box.

- wolfhounds


It was a bad challenge. Had he not done anything, their expected points are about 1.45. Shouldn't have taken the risk. Even if the game had gotten to OT, the Preds would have also had a 4v3 for 45 seconds to start. Not to mention, you're playing a western conference team, so preventing them from getting points isn't really a factor either.
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