Can't wait for Manning to join the captaincy. Amac for home evening games, Filpula for away evening games, and Manning for all afternoon games.
- Giroux_Is_God

bump

- StepfordSam

why do you gotta' bring andy reid into this?

bump
- Giroux_Is_God

10/10 would read again.

It's irrational anger.

Most of the complainers will be asleep before the first period ends, making the irrational anger all the more hilarious to me.
- Scoob

Doesn't it make you wonder though, great point by whoever brought up VDV played 81 games for us but wasn't even brought in for a PTO by any team?? His roster decisions have always been suspect, in my opinion, since he got here. Bill doesn't have the guys out there he thought should make it, majority of the fan base is confused (yes some knowledgeable some not), and I've watched a lot of hockey to know that AMac and Manning are average at best defenders, who would most likely be #6/#7's on most teams in the nhl. There are probably 10-12 teams who he wouldn't even be a #7.

There is some rational anger to be had, I had no problem with Lindblom going down to the AHL. he obviously needs some skating/footwork progress, he will be up here before long. I don't mind Weise in the lineup, would've liked to see what Lehtera has left, but Im sure we will see soon, but defensemen take the longest to develop, have the longest learning curve. Morin wasn't drafted this year, he's been in the AHL for three years, Sanheim played in juniors for 3 years and has one year of AHL experience, it's not like we are all clamoring for our first round pick from this year to play.

My opinion from Hakstol has changed drastically from his first year, until tonight. I thought last year was an aberration, half him being loyal, half him knowing they werent going anywhere and doing a quiet job of being worse to get a better draft spot. Ill give him a few games, but if these decisions continue, he has got to go.

10/10 would read again.
- hammarby31

ty, I do believe it deserved more recognition. I can always count on you, hammar.

I can't wait to be anger buddies for another year

For those who have responded to my thoughts on the new Captains. To me it's pointless to suggest a change vote or not. It's just gonna end up back with Simmonds this season. Waste of time.
- SuperSchennBros

Yeah please explain how you don't get this?

Doesn't it make you wonder though, great point by whoever brought up VDV played 81 games for us but wasn't even brought in for a PTO by any team?? His roster decisions have always been suspect, in my opinion, since he got here. Bill doesn't have the guys out there he thought should make it, majority of the fan base is confused (yes some knowledgeable some not), and I've watched a lot of hockey to know that AMac and Manning are average at best defenders, who would most likely be #6/#7's on most teams in the nhl. There are probably 10-12 teams who he wouldn't even be a #7.

There is some rational anger to be had, I had no problem with Lindblom going down to the AHL. he obviously needs some skating/footwork progress, he will be up here before long. I don't mind Weise in the lineup, would've liked to see what Lehtera has left, but Im sure we will see soon, but defensemen take the longest to develop, have the longest learning curve. Morin wasn't drafted this year, he's been in the AHL for three years, Sanheim played in juniors for 3 years and has one year of AHL experience, it's not like we are all clamoring for our first round pick from this year to play.

My opinion from Hakstol has changed drastically from his first year, until tonight. I thought last year was an aberration, half him being loyal, half him knowing they werent going anywhere and doing a quiet job of being worse to get a better draft spot. Ill give him a few games, but if these decisions continue, he has got to go.
- sjk540

Vandevelde was given a PTO by Ottawa. MacDonald is above average defender who has played a top 4 role or higher under at least 3 NHL coaches who have also watched a lot of hockey. Hakstol's job is not in jeopardy in any way so if you think he has to go, be prepared to be disappointed.

It's gonna be great when Patrick plays 8 minutes tonight lol
- JFlyers00

I swear if Weise has more ES time than Giroux Im gonna fly to San Jose, pay off someone to get me Hak's hotel room number, and sit outside his room all night playing the trombonel. And i dont have a musical bone in my body

ty, I do believe it deserved more recognition. I can always count on you, hammar.

I can't wait to be anger buddies for another year
- Giroux_Is_God

I'll be an anger buddy, but you have to call me Dragon.

Vandevelde was given a PTO by Ottawa. MacDonald is above average defender who has played a top 4 role or higher under at least 3 NHL coaches who have also watched a lot of hockey. Hakstol's job is not in jeopardy in any way so if you think he has to go, be prepared to be disappointed.
- MJL

Macdonald is an above average defender?? The fact that he has played a top 4 role on the flyers is irrelevant, he was sent down by the flyers at one point so that shows just how good he is, and he played for an islanders team that didnt have that great of a defense when he was there. Please show me his stats or even his advanced stats, that show he is an above average defender. his WOWY is downright laughable, just like his Corsi and Fenwick, the fact that he gets outplayed on both the PP and PK show that he isnt great at one aspect of the game. he is an average defender.

I dont think his job is in jeopardy at all actually, quite the opposite. in my opinion however, if he continues these questionable roster decisions, he should go.

Vandevelde was given a PTO by Ottawa. MacDonald is above average defender who has played a top 4 role or higher under at least 3 NHL coaches who have also watched a lot of hockey. Hakstol's job is not in jeopardy in any way so if you think he has to go, be prepared to be disappointed.
- MJL

last year, MacD had a -13.8 CF Rel, a -13.5 FF Rel, over his 4 year career with the flyers, he is a -8.9 CF Rel and a -9.1 FF Rel respectively. In fact, he has only had a year where he was over 50% in CF Rel and that was his rookie year when he only played 3 games. please back up this argument.

I'll be an anger buddy, but you have to call me Dragon.
- Mononoke

I don't know about this. You have been Princess for years

last year, MacD had a -13.8 CF Rel, a -13.5 FF Rel, over his 4 year career with the flyers, he is a -8.9 CF Rel and a -9.1 FF Rel respectively. In fact, he has only had a year where he was over 50% in CF Rel and that was his rookie year when he only played 3 games. please back up this argument.
- sjk540

They're team stats not individual player stats. I don't need to back it up, it's my opinion in watching him play. As I said previously, how many NHL coaches have played him in a top 4 20 minute a night role as a defenseman? What are they looking at? Don't they know what his CFRel is?

Hakstol's job is not in jeopardy in any way so if you think he has to go, be prepared to be disappointed.
- MJL

Dunno, I figure he's in the same boat as every other coach not named Babcock -- job security is not really part of the gig.

Doesn't it make you wonder though, great point by whoever brought up VDV played 81 games for us but wasn't even brought in for a PTO by any team?? His roster decisions have always been suspect, in my opinion, since he got here. Bill doesn't have the guys out there he thought should make it, majority of the fan base is confused (yes some knowledgeable some not), and I've watched a lot of hockey to know that AMac and Manning are average at best defenders, who would most likely be #6/#7's on most teams in the nhl. There are probably 10-12 teams who he wouldn't even be a #7.

There is some rational anger to be had, I had no problem with Lindblom going down to the AHL. he obviously needs some skating/footwork progress, he will be up here before long. I don't mind Weise in the lineup, would've liked to see what Lehtera has left, but Im sure we will see soon, but defensemen take the longest to develop, have the longest learning curve. Morin wasn't drafted this year, he's been in the AHL for three years, Sanheim played in juniors for 3 years and has one year of AHL experience, it's not like we are all clamoring for our first round pick from this year to play.

My opinion from Hakstol has changed drastically from his first year, until tonight. I thought last year was an aberration, half him being loyal, half him knowing they werent going anywhere and doing a quiet job of being worse to get a better draft spot. Ill give him a few games, but if these decisions continue, he has got to go.
- sjk540

Ottawa gave vdv a PTO. He was released though pretty early on.

He was also a staple in the lineup for 3 years so it wasn't just on Hak.

Dunno, I figure he's in the same boat as every other coach not named Babcock -- job security is not really part of the gig.
- Tomahawk

Yes?

Dunno, I figure he's in the same boat as every other coach not named Babcock -- job security is not really part of the gig.
- Tomahawk

Do you really think I meant he had a lifetime gig? Or was talking about in the relative near future? Do you think Hakstol is in any way on the hot seat?

Dunno, I figure he's in the same boat as every other coach not named Babcock -- job security is not really part of the gig.
- Tomahawk

I think he's safe as long as they don't go like 0-10 out of the gate.

You have a point thought, and it's really hard to get a read on this front office.

I'm starting to think a lot of haks lineup decisions are at least supported by the front office. Maybe even encouraged.

Carter Hart is out tonight with mono. Keep piling on the good news.

Yes?
- Giroux_Is_God

Lol

To inject some sort of positive energy into this thread:

There's reverse line movement on the sharks line tonight implying Vegas thinks the flyers will win.

When I looked before I left work:
Despite 70.percent of the public betting the sharks. The sharks line moved from -160 to - 150

Maybe Vegas is a fan of the safe vets lol

They're team stats not individual player stats. I don't need to back it up, it's my opinion in watching him play. As I said previously, how many NHL coaches have played him in a top 4 20 minute a night role as a defenseman? What are they looking at? Don't they know what his CFRel is?

- MJL

How many good teams, teams that won at least one playoff round, did he play top 4 minutes for?

I don't hate AMac, but by definition above average means at least better than half the Dmen in the NHL. He's not, he's an average NHL Dman. Second pair guy on a poor team, 3rd pair on a good one.

All that being said, I have no problem with AMac in the lineup for an opening game on the road. It's Manning playing over Morin that I find ridiculous.

Do you really think I meant he had a lifetime gig? Or was talking about in the relative near future? Do you think Hakstol is in any way on the hot seat?
- MJL

I don't think he is or should be on the hot seat....but I also ain't ready to give him passing grade for his job so far....still on the fence.

I only brought up VDV to point out that a guy that was apparently such a large part of the team last year....81 straight games....wasn't offered even a PTO by the Flyers...seemed a little weird considering coach Hakstols affinity for the player.

Tonight decision on sitting two deserving rookies is a head scratcher...but it won't make me cheer any less...I can't say it's performance based because I thought Manning didn't look very good at all, in fact some news outlets thought he might start year on IR, because he looked to be struggling that much.

How many good teams, teams that won at least one playoff round, did he play top 4 minutes for?

I don't hate AMac, but by definition above average means at least better than half the Dmen in the NHL. He's not, he's an average NHL Dman. Second pair guy on a poor team, 3rd pair on a good one.

All that being said, I have no problem with AMac in the lineup for an opening game on the road. It's Manning playing over Morin that I find ridiculous.
- BiggE

I know we are getting shafted with both of these. But for fun:

Would you rather Morin sit out and amac on the bottom pair where he belongs?

Or

Morin in and amac on top pair?