I am not concerned about giving them a break at all.

So if, let's just say, Hagg stays up and Sanheim is sent down, and after like a month Hagg looks to be in a bit over his head. Hextall does nothing because the decision has been made?

Hextall said he will place them at a level they are ready for and leave them there. I.e. not just give them 9 games then send them back to junior or call them up for a random game without believing they are actually ready for the NHL. All three are ready for the NHL, so it isn't a situation where they are being given a game at a level they shouldn't be at.
- YuenglingJagr

I don't think he's going to be so stubborn as to send a player down if the player begins to struggle and can't work out of it. But that's a totally different situation than giving him a few games break, which was the point we were talking about

I'm assuming at this point you're just having a go at me.

Sick as a dog and stuck at work.. cant wait to get home and just lay on the couch till the Flyers come on.

Here's what I will say about this whole over-crowded d-man bit...

Manning should be the one to go. I dont think they wanna lose an NHL asset for nothing though.

I dont like A-Mac; It's no secret. I do think a lot of that has to do with the way he has been used. Playing in a 3rd pairing role and with limited minutes (not 18+ a night against the top lines) he is serviceable.

Sanheim just flat out earned his spot. It happens. Hagg and Morin did as well. These kids have to be given the chance to play in the NHL full time. Its the only way they will continue to grow.

My gut says both A-mac and Manning stay up until the Flyers are able to move on of the two.. I hate it, but thats my guess.

Sick as a dog and stuck at work.. cant wait to get home and just lay on the couch till the Flyers come on.

Here's what I will say about this whole over-crowded d-man bit...

Manning should be the one to go. I dont think they wanna lose an NHL asset for nothing though.

I dont like A-Mac; It's no secret. I do think a lot of that has to do with the way he has been used. Playing in a 3rd pairing role and with limited minutes (not 18+ a night against the top lines) he is serviceable.

Sanheim just flat out earned his spot. It happens. Hagg and Morin did as well. These kids have to be given the chance to play in the NHL full time. Its the only way they will continue to grow.

My gut says both A-mac and Manning stay up until the Flyers are able to move on of the two.. I hate it, but thats my guess.
- jak521

I think they'll waive one of them if all 3 rookies make the team. As crowded as the blueline is, the forwards are even more so, so I doubt they want to carry 8D.

in 84-85, the following Flyers were all rookies:
Zezel
Tocchet
Derrick Smith
Joe Patterson

Plus, the following were all in only their second year:
Craven
both Sutters
Dave Brown
Len Hachborn
Lindsay Carson

They had a pretty experienced D, but Dave Poulin, at the ripe old age of 25 on opening night, was the oldest forward on the roster other than Bill Barber who was on IR the entire year.
- BiggE

not bad from memory!!

The more I think about, not keeping all 3 kids on D both on the roster and in the lineup would just be foolish. After Provorov and Gudas, the 3 rookies are, IMO, the next best 3 all around Dmen on the team. I love Ghost for what he brings to the table offensively, but he still makes some bonehead decisions and plays with the puck now and then and he's not a guy who you want defending against a top line in the D zone or being used on the pp.

AMac should not be in the lineup over any of these kids. Sanheim brings an offensive dimension to the game that AMac could only dream of and he moves the puck better and more accurately with his first pass out of the zone. Plus he's bigger, faster and stronger than AMac too. Morin has been, IMO, the best all around player of the 3. He's made good decisions with the puck, is a physical but disciplined force, and will be a monster on the PK this year. Plus his very presence will cut down on the amount of times our goalies get run into. Finally Hagg does pretty much everything, other than blocking shots, better than AMac and is simply the better player.

It really even shouldn't be a hard decision. While I understand the business side of waiving AMac and keeping Manning, I think it sends a bad message to the players. AMac is clearly the better player and a he's a respected vet. If someone gets nicked up on the first game of a back to back or just needs a night off, AMac should be the guy coming off the bench, not Manning. I don't think that they will lose Manning if they waive him, but if they do, so be it. It's a trivial loss and he's an easy player to replace.
- BiggE

Agree with your thoughts on Morin, plus I have to think his being on the team removes a significant amount of pressure from Simmonds on ALWAYS having to be the one to answer the bell. Not that I want Morin chucking them non-stop, I am just wondering if Wayne could be an even better player if he doesn't have to feel like the only policeman all game long.

I think they'll waive one of them if all 3 rookies make the team. As crowded as the blueline is, the forwards are even more so, so I doubt they want to carry 8D.
- jmatchett383

I was saying that they dont keep all three rookies (even though theyve earned it IMO). i wasnt very clear, but I also havent slept longer than 3 hours in a week. (frank)ing kids.

I was saying that they dont keep all three rookies (even though theyve earned it IMO). i wasnt very clear, but I also havent slept longer than 3 hours in a week. (frank)ing kids.
- jak521

Enjoying the first few months of fatherhood, I assume?

Agree with your thoughts on Morin, plus I have to think his being on the team removes a significant amount of pressure from Simmonds on ALWAYS having to be the one to answer the bell. Not that I want Morin chucking them non-stop, I am just wondering if Wayne could be an even better player if he doesn't have to feel like the only policeman all game long.
- juiced

100% he helps in that department. It will be nice to have the teams top goal scorer not having to carry the full load.

Three rookie D for me please!
BYE BYE to A = Mandawg and Read
Leier welcome to NHL

Enjoying the first few months of fatherhood, I assume?
- jmatchett383

Hahah I wish.

my daughter will be 3 in December and my son is 7 weeks old.

Both are sick.

I don't think he's going to be so stubborn as to send a player down if the player begins to struggle and can't work out of it. But that's a totally different situation than giving him a few games break, which was the point we were talking about

I'm assuming at this point you're just having a go at me.
- jmatchett383

I don't think the discussion is about giving them a break in a vacuum, just like I don't think Hextall's decision will be made in a vacuum. BTW I was the one arguing with you on youtube

Love guys on YouTube telling me that hard, clean hits like the Morin one require a fight because that's considered "taking liberties." ffs
- jmatchett383

Farnham gonna Farnham... It was fun hearing people around me talk about him being an idiot now for the third Metro division opponent.

not bad from memory!!

- landros 2

You'd think the alcohol would have done more damage by now, right?

I don't think the discussion is about giving them a break in a vacuum, just like I don't think Hextall's decision will be made in a vacuum. BTW I was the one arguing with you on youtube
- YuenglingJagr

I hope and pray for your soul that you're kidding about the last part.

And sure, we can talk about sending them down, I was just saying that I don't think Hexy will send them down for a game or two if they look like they need a break. If the player is struggling and can't dig out of it, then yes, he may get demoted to the AHL.

I hope and pray for your soul that you're kidding about the last part.

And sure, we can talk about sending them down, I was just saying that I don't think Hexy will send them down for a game or two if they look like they need a break. If the player is struggling and can't dig out of it, then yes, he may get demoted to the AHL.
- jmatchett383

I'll never tell.

And yeah I don't think it would be a game by game basis...more like week by week

Three rookie D for me please!
BYE BYE to A = Mandawg and Read
Leier welcome to NHL
- Konalover

that would also be my preference.

You'd think the alcohol would have done more damage by now, right?
- BiggE

funny how that works....lots of useless knowledge stays while I can't remember some of my staff's names that have worked for me for 3 years....lol

Not that I think this should or will influence roster decisions, but if Mac is the 7th D or waived, it pretty much ruins any hope of moving him at the deadline or this offseason, which makes me sad. Even retaining 50% of cap hit, who is going to want a 2.5 mil cap hit for somebody that couldn't even make the top 6 on their previous team? If he continues to play and look serviceable, as he did for solid chunks of last year, I think there is a chance the Flyers could move him. Stashing him in the AHL and only getting 1milish of cap relief out of his 5 mil cap hit for the next 3 seasons isn't a good solution.

Not that I think this should or will influence roster decisions, but if Mac is the 7th D or waived, it pretty much ruins any hope of moving him at the deadline or this offseason, which makes me sad. Even retaining 50% of cap hit, who is going to want a 2.5 mil cap hit for somebody that couldn't even make the top 6 on their previous team? If he continues to play and look serviceable, as he did for solid chunks of last year, I think there is a chance the Flyers could move him. Stashing him in the AHL and only getting 1milish of cap relief out of his 5 mil cap hit for the next 3 seasons isn't a good solution.
- pinkfloydfreak

Just saying, the Pens traded for (frank)ing Ron Hainsey, and used him throughout their SC run. I don't think he's getting moved this season either way, but if a contender has an injury or 2 on D at next year's TDL, they may take him on at 1/2 salary for their run and the next year.

Here's one to chew on.....Flyers put Manning on waivers...Oilers put in a claim.

Just saying, the Pens traded for (frank)ing Ron Hainsey, and used him throughout their SC run. I don't think he's getting moved this season either way, but if a contender has an injury or 2 on D at next year's TDL, they may take him on at 1/2 salary for their run and the next year.
- jmatchett383

Injuries happen and for a guy who can eat up minutes, as well as block shots, he wouldn't be a bad 3rd pair guy on a contender for half retained.

I'll never tell.

And yeah I don't think it would be a game by game basis...more like week by week
- YuenglingJagr

Week by week and putting up long stretches (4-5+ games in a row) of suck.

Bill agree with you that it is not the biggest concern. Nevertheless if I look at Pre-season of Metro teams it will be real tough.Both Devils and Hurricanes are much stronger and already last year they didn't match Penguins,Rangers and Capitals

And all what fans are talking about is the number of rookies
Voracek is miles off his best,G in test-tube as LW and all young players unproven in tough matches
- goenzoy

Voracek looked extremely fluid and smooth skating in the last win vs the Rangers, the preseason is usually where veterans try out new things, strategies, routes to pucks, etc. His skating seems very strong for being preseason, he is not someone I am worried about.

What am I worried about is G in the LW experiment. If after say, 10 games, it doesn't look good, are they gonna scrap it? Does such a move require more than 10 games? Then how many, 20, 40? If they were going to do it, do it 100%, dont just hope he catches lightning in a bottle and has 17 points in 10 games, thats extremely improbable.

However, if they do stick to the experiment, I think LW seems pretty strong, with G, Weal/Konecny, Lindblom, and whoever else they decide to put there (Filppula, Raffl, Laughton, etc.)

Here's one to chew on.....Flyers put Manning on waivers...Oilers put in a claim.
- landros 2

I would (almost) love if this happened

Here's one to chew on.....Flyers put Manning on waivers...Oilers put in a claim.
- landros 2

Here's a better one.....Flyers put Manning on waivers...Flames put in a claim.