Me neither. He's a low cost, relatively young guy that could probably step in after not playing for a while and give a good effort in the event of injury. He's fine as a bottom pairing or #7 defenseman.

If they keep Sanheim, I would like to see them send AMac down to LHV or trade Manning and make AMac your (very expensive) 7th defenseman.
- johndewar

Which is more insulting?
To get waived to the AHL and play every night.
Or
Sit in the press box and if there is an injury they call up Sanheim and you continue to sit in the press box?

Assume you make the same salary either place.

Which is more insulting?
To get waived to the AHL and play every night.
Or
Sit in the press box and if there is an injury they call up Sanheim and you continue to sit in the press box?

Assume you make the same salary either place.
- FlyersGrace

Probably #2. But pay me $850K or whatever annually and I'll deal with it.

I think Sanheim is worthy of making the team and playing in the NHL. I have very little confidence the team would or even should dress 3 rookie defensemen though. I am fine with him starting the year in the AHL and playing 20 minutes
- YuenglingJagr

I agree. Was just speculating the consequences and possibilities if Sanheim did make it. But yeah, would make more sense to waive AMac.

I'd say these guys are:

15 Jori Lehterä - 12 Michael Raffl – 21 Scott Laughton – 24 Matt Read

23 Brandon Manning
- fls13

I think Raffl is a lock. Replace him with Weise and I agree.

You got to let Sanheim start with the Flyers. His potential is much higher than Manning and MacDonald is a good #7. If Mark Streit did not get hurt we probably would never had seen the Ghost a couple years ago. It was that injury that allowed Ghost to arrive and make an immediate impact. It was obvious management was not sure Ghost was ready but things worked out well. I feel Sanheim will look a lot like Werenski, they really are quite similar.

You got to let Sanheim start with the Flyers. His potential is much higher than Manning and MacDonald is a good #7. If Mark Streit did not get hurt we probably would never had seen the Ghost a couple years ago. It was that injury that allowed Ghost to arrive and make an immediate impact. It was obvious management was not sure Ghost was ready but things worked out well. I feel Sanheim will look a lot like Werenski, they really are quite similar.
- joegreif17

It's not as much Sanheim's skillset as the numbers game as well as the fact they wouldn't want to have 3 rookies, 1 second-year player, and one third-year player as 5 of their 6 defenders. But in a vacuum, yes, he should be starting.

This is what I would do, as well, if Sanheim makes the team. Either way, I think Manning is your #7 to start, barring multiple injuries. I just don't think Brandon Manning is more than a depth guy. If someone did claim him, then I'd try to talk to Franson. Hell, I'd talk to Franson anyway.
- jmatchett383

Did Franson get cut by Chicago? Last I'd seen, he'd signed on with them.

Did Franson get cut by Chicago? Last I'd seen, he'd signed on with them.
- Doc_Sarcasm

He signed a PTO. But even with a PTO, he could still be signed by another team.

I rather not lose him. Injuries happen so I'd sooner keep the depth. if the Flyers clearly believe all 3 of the kids have to make the team based on their play, I would really rather waive AMAC, not out of any AMAC hate or because I think Manning is better (I don't) but simply because I highly doubt anyone would ever take AMAC but I could see someone looking for D depth taking Manning.
- nastyflyergirl

Waiving Amac is safe if you do not want to lose him, lol Nobody is going to claim him based on his ridiculous salary. I would sure like to see all three kids make the team and displace Amac and Manning, either of them are suited for #7

He signed a PTO. But even with a PTO, he could still be signed by another team.
- jmatchett383

Oh. Either I had forgotten it was a PTO, or I never bothered to read all the details.

I think Raffl is a lock. Replace him with Weise and I agree.
- Ftown19125

I think Weise isn't playing tonight because he's already a lock. I think Raffl likely makes the team yet I'm not 100% sure his spot in a Top 12 is locked.

Oh. Either I had forgotten it was a PTO, or I never bothered to read all the details.
- Doc_Sarcasm

He signed a PTO in hopes that he can get signed if they league grants Chicago LTIR for Hossa's deception.

You got to let Sanheim start with the Flyers. His potential is much higher than Manning and MacDonald is a good #7. If Mark Streit did not get hurt we probably would never had seen the Ghost a couple years ago. It was that injury that allowed Ghost to arrive and make an immediate impact. It was obvious management was not sure Ghost was ready but things worked out well. I feel Sanheim will look a lot like Werenski, they really are quite similar.
- joegreif17

If it's a question of potential then they wouldn't even need to have training camp. I feel that Sanheim is capable of playing in the NHL now but they want him to fine tune his defensive game a little more. Which is okay. They don't have to let Sanheim start with the Flyers.

I think Weise isn't playing tonight because he's already a lock. I think Raffl likely makes the team yet I'm not 100% sure his spot in a Top 12 is locked.
- fls13

I think he makes the Top 12 due to his PK play and his ability to slide up for a short period if needed.

I thought that, if you claimed a player off of waivers, he had to stay on your team.

At least that was the argument I heard why it wouldn't be hard to put Leier through waivers. If I misunderstood, I apologize.
- jmatchett383

When a player is claimed off waivers there is nothing stopping the new team to waive him as well. I believe S. Griffith got waived and picked up three times last year.

When a player is claimed off waivers there is nothing stopping the new team to waive him as well. I believe S. Griffith got waived and picked up three times last year.
- joegreif17

Yes, I misunderstood. It wouldn't make sense to pick a player up and immediately try to assign him, which is what I missed.

If it's a question of potential then they wouldn't even need to have training camp. I feel that Sanheim is capable of playing in the NHL now but they want him to fine tune his defensive game a little more. Which is okay. They don't have to let Sanheim start with the Flyers.
- MJL

If Sanheim earns a spot he deserves to stay. He is the future and even if it is nine games he should start. Manning and Amac are fringe, Sanheim will be top pairing.

I think he makes the Top 12 due to his PK play and his ability to slide up for a short period if needed.
- jmatchett383

That makes sense but I don't think it's a sure thing. I think they are looking for two PKers for the 10-12 forward slots.

If Sanheim earns a spot he deserves to stay. He is the future and even if it is nine games he should start. Manning and Amac are fringe, Sanheim will be top pairing.
- joegreif17

Sanheim isn't held to the 9-game standard, as he's no longer CHL-eligible. Again, it's both the numbers game and the makeup of the rest of the blueline working against him. Similar to (but not exactly like) Provorov, he would have to show that he's a top-pair type to stay to start the year.

Personally, I think Sanheim will start the season in the AHL but will be called up very soon after we purposely, and excessively, use Amac as our lead shot blocker by mid November.

Did Franson get cut by Chicago? Last I'd seen, he'd signed on with them.
- Doc_Sarcasm

He has not signed yet but he has earned the job. It will come down to working out a contract. Franson will not play cheap so there is a chance he signs elsewhere if the money is better.

If Sanheim earns a spot he deserves to stay. He is the future and even if it is nine games he should start. Manning and Amac are fringe, Sanheim will be top pairing.
- joegreif17

I'd prefer that any young player is not blocked by a veteran who is not part of the future but that doesn't always happen. I think Sanheim is going to start in the AHL but I don't expect him to be there for long. The 9 games situation doesn't apply to Sanheim.

Not sure I like this experiment with Giroux on the wing. Sure, it is better to test the waters in preseason and get some experience if the situation is called upon during the season, but they also lose their best and most clutch faceoff guy. On the other hand he would still be on the ice to take a draw if the center gets kicked out.

Weal...not sold at all yet. 3rd line energy guy, maybe, but top 6 *cringe*

GO FLYERS!

Sanheim isn't held to the 9-game standard, as he's no longer CHL-eligible. Again, it's both the numbers game and the makeup of the rest of the blueline working against him. Similar to (but not exactly like) Provorov, he would have to show that he's a top-pair type to stay to start the year.
- jmatchett383

Yes, you are right. Sanheim being waiver exempt hurts his chances of sticking however if he has a few more outstanding games he should stay and Manning or Amac waived, preferably Manning. I like Manning's heart and desire but he really is only a #7 on a good team.

I'd prefer that any young player is not blocked by a veteran who is not part of the future but that doesn't always happen. I think Sanheim is going to start in the AHL but I don't expect him to be there for long.
- MJL

I think it also has to do with Morin and Hagg's lack of NHL experience. Not that I think AMac or Manning are much (or at all) better than him in a vacuum, but having 3 rookies plus a 2nd year player and one 3rd year player would be risky. At least Manning and AMac have been through the rigors of multiple NHL seasons.