John you say that Tootoo, wingels bouma are locks but the math says they are not. No one is going to claim Tootoo. Or do you think someone would? what about Jurco, Pokka or OST? the magic number is 23 14/7 or 13/8

There are 2 issues, one who is on the roster day 1 and who is on the roster day 2 assuming Hossa is allowed to go on LTIR.

lets so what players are on both which factors in waivers and talent
SAAD-T-PAN
Sharp-AA-KANE
KERO-HART (8)

then Locks on players that waiver exempt
Schamltz (9)

then possible guys that have to clear waivers: in the order I think they would not clear waivers?
Wingels, Jurco, Bouma, tootoo (13)

Then possible guys that do not have to clear waivers: in the order of likelihood of who makes the team:
Hayden, debrinct, Hino (16)

Tell me at least 2 maybe 3 and it what order is not going to make the team or get sent down having to clear waivers. For me its Debrinct tootoo, Hino

Now D locks non waiver
Keith-Murph
kemp-seabs (4)
Locks waiver
Rutta (5)
non waiver poss in order they would not clear
POKKA OST (7)
waiver Poss
forsling (8)
(I think Gus is a no for sure he can go down)
PTO
Franson (9)

1 to 2 of the above are not making it:
Forsling, and my second is a OST.
- kmw4631

Saad - Toews - Panik
??? - Schmaltz - Kane
Sharp - AA - Hartman
Jurco - Kero - Wingels
Tootoo/Bouma
??? = Debrincat, Hayden, Dauphin, Hino, Kampf etc with the lines re-arranging to compensate.

Keith - Murphy
Kempney - Seabrook
Osterle/Franson/Rutta

Pokka/Forsling/Gus/D prospects will all start in Rockford

In my eyes.

Detroit, Toronto, Minny (and the Hawks) over the Cap with LTIR players. Any idea how someone like Toronto that is $4mil over the cap gets under by day 1?

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Karlsson: Doctors removed half of ankle bone

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Karlsson just told reporters doctors removed half of his ankle bone in the surgery.

The defenceman had the surgery in June and finally laced up his skates for the first time last week.

Karlsson has not played in any pre-season games but is eyeing a return to the lineup when the Senators start their season on October 5.

Sens General Manager Pierre Dorion and Head Coach Guy Boucher have not given a complete timeline on when Karlsson could be ready, so his return is still up in the air.

Karlsson played all 19 playoff games for Ottawa in the 2017 Stanley Cup playoffs despite having a foot injury and led the team to a Conference Finals berth.

The 27-year-old has 456 points in 556 career games and has lead the NHL in scoring by a defenceman in three of the last four years.

Am I old? I don't know what LJ is and I feel like Tumblr is just for crazy porn.
- JRoenick97

LJ is Liverjournal which was tumblr before tumblr existed though with a bit more community based. Tumblr does have weird porn but it's mostly used for fandoms, especially for TV and movies like Supernatural or Marvel. It's one of the youngest skewing social media sites - most popular with 18-29 year olds and with half the user base being 25 or younger.

Lot of hockey fans on there too, most popular teams are Hawks and Pens with some Stars and Leafs in there as well. Some are quite obsessive with all facets of hockey fandom, in and outside the game.

Detroit, Toronto, Minny (and the Hawks) over the Cap with LTIR players. Any idea how someone like Toronto that is $4mil over the cap gets under by day 1?
- -Doh-

Horton is likely already on LTIR so they're not actually over. CapFriendly just isn't showing it yet because it hasn't been confirmed. Mirtle did a report on this earlier in the summer about how teams can put players on LTIR in the summer, they just wouldn't get the benefit of going over the cap in-season. Leafs have 2 players to LTIR though so that's not a concern for them - they use Horton space in summer and then Lupul's in-season.

https://theathletic.com/7...f-season-salary-cap-hell/

If they haven't put Horton on LTIR for some reason, they are at like 17 forwards for they'll be making some cuts as well. Fehr and Smith (who they'll waive) + their 3 waiver exempt players amounts to about $5.4m in cap space.

Do you see Tootoo, Bouma, and Wingles all making the team?
- bhawks2241

Hope not. Tootoo will. So will Wingels. Bouma is terrible and has been outplayed by a few of the rooks. Namely, Hayden, Kampf, Vinny Dauphin and Kero.

People. DinkyCat is making the team. Will he stay is the question.

Hope not. Tootoo will. So will Wingels. Bouma is terrible and has been outplayed by a few of the rooks. Namely, Hayden, Kampf, Vinny Dauphin and Kero.
- TTtime

Check your local waiver wire - his name will be there sooner or later.

How does everyone have the bottom 6 spelling out? I like Sharp-AA-Hartman as a line. That could be a really good line. 4th line is harder to lay out for me. You've got Hayden pushing for a spot, which I think he's earned. Kero, Dauphin, and Kampf have all played well, but you've also got Wingels and Bouma who signed earlier and aren't waiver exempt. I'd like to see some combo of Kero-Kampf-Dauphin, but they are technically all centers, and 2 are basically rookies. Kampf and Dauphin have shown they hard to play against and tenacious. I haven't seen anything out of Bouma that warrants him staying on the team except the contract he signed. Wingels has been nursing an injury recovery, so it's hard to say. I think Tootoo stays based on what the team and Q have said about him. So, it's basically 3 of Hayden, Kampf, Kero, Dauphin, Wingels and Bouma if they give ADB a shot on line 2. If they send ADB to the rock, then I think Hayden slides to line 3, Sharp to 2, and then it's 3 of 5 of those guys.
- JRoenick97

IMHO, the 4th line boils down to what we as fans want to see vs. what the actual decision makers (ideally Q and Bowman in unison) will roll out once the season begins. Understandably so, many fans want to roll out the best team based on who had the strongest camp which make guys like Hayden and Kampf as front runners to fill out the 4th line.

However, Bouma and Wingels were signed to NHL contracts, not PTOs. So there's a reason they were signed in July and that's with the expectation that they're the 4th line wingers come opening day.

The same goes for Tootoo as the extra forward: he has a defined role and is appreciated by the coaches and teammates even if fans think his time is up, washed up, or whatever and there are younger players who can bring more to the table.

So my expectation is the 4th line will be Bouma, Kero, and Wingels with Jurco and Tootoo as the extra forwards. Part of me would rather go with Hayden and Kampf flanking Kero, maybe even Dauphin, but another part of me does want to see if Bouma and Wingels can deliver as gritty grinders who will play a physical game in their limited minutes.

Another factor is who will make the least mistakes so maybe the thinking is that veterans like Bouma and Wingels will make less mistakes than Hayden and Kampf even though the latter may have more skill and upside.

IMHO, the 4th line boils down to what we as fans want to see vs. what the actual decision makers (ideally Q and Bowman in unison) will roll out once the season begins. Understandably so, many fans want to roll out the best team based on who had the strongest camp which make guys like Hayden and Kampf as front runners to fill out the 4th line.

However, Bouma and Wingels were signed to NHL contracts, not PTOs. So there's a reason they were signed in July and that's with the expectation that they're the 4th line wingers come opening day.

The same goes for Tootoo as the extra forward: he has a defined role and is appreciated by the coaches and teammates even if fans think his time is up, washed up, or whatever and there are younger players who can bring more to the table.

So my expectation is the 4th line will be Bouma, Kero, and Wingels with Jurco and Tootoo as the extra forwards. Part of me would rather go with Hayden and Kampf flanking Kero, maybe even Dauphin, but another part of me does want to see if Bouma and Wingels can deliver as gritty grinders who will play a physical game in their limited minutes.

Another factor is who will make the least mistakes so maybe the thinking is that veterans like Bouma and Wingels will make less mistakes than Hayden and Kampf even though the latter may have more skill and upside.
- AEL_Fox

Perhaps Bowman can delay the inevitable cuts if he deems Bouma and or Wingels are not sufficiently recovered from their off season surgery/injury. Should a Hayden or whomever - even Hinozstra - play quite well then a veteran may be cut. Only one probably if that occurs, so that in season injuries and strong play by those in Rockford would result in a flow back and forth rotating players in and out of lineup

Ek has the right idea but the wrong teams in his most recent blog - its the Hawks who will move some good young talent for a dealable D man or two as the "future consideration" due back from Vegas.

Duchene will be a Hawk.

Check your local waiver wire - his name will be there sooner or later.
- RickJ

I hope so. Oh dear, what if they lose him?

Ek has the right idea but the wrong teams in his most recent blog - its the Hawks who will move some good young talent for a dealable D man or two as the "future consideration" due back from Vegas.

Duchene will be a Hawk.
- Return of the Roar

So give up assets to acquire a guy. Then add assets to the player you acquired to trade for a guy that quit on his team last season?

Sorry. I won't even get into to the fact that Duchene isn't worth acquiring anyway but that is terrible asset management.

Bowman should be launched if he even suggests a trade like that.

IMHO, the 4th line boils down to what we as fans want to see vs. what the actual decision makers (ideally Q and Bowman in unison) will roll out once the season begins. Understandably so, many fans want to roll out the best team based on who had the strongest camp which make guys like Hayden and Kampf as front runners to fill out the 4th line.

However, Bouma and Wingels were signed to NHL contracts, not PTOs. So there's a reason they were signed in July and that's with the expectation that they're the 4th line wingers come opening day.

The same goes for Tootoo as the extra forward: he has a defined role and is appreciated by the coaches and teammates even if fans think his time is up, washed up, or whatever and there are younger players who can bring more to the table.

So my expectation is the 4th line will be Bouma, Kero, and Wingels with Jurco and Tootoo as the extra forwards. Part of me would rather go with Hayden and Kampf flanking Kero, maybe even Dauphin, but another part of me does want to see if Bouma and Wingels can deliver as gritty grinders who will play a physical game in their limited minutes.

Another factor is who will make the least mistakes so maybe the thinking is that veterans like Bouma and Wingels will make less mistakes than Hayden and Kampf even though the latter may have more skill and upside.
- AEL_Fox

Wngels, Tootoo and Bouma's contracts all can be buried in the A.

This is all that needs to be said about the Bigot in Chief and anyone who is so blatantly prejudice and/or ignorant to still support him.

"Constitution of United States of America 1789 (rev. 1992)

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

It's an open and closed case, NFL players are fully in their rights to kneel during the anthem. As much as POTUS would like an Authoritarian regime, this is still America, where freedom of speech and peaceful protest is still allowed. See 1st Amendment to the Constitution above for those "offended veterans".
- EnzoD

Spot-on, Agree 110%.

Ek has the right idea but the wrong teams in his most recent blog - its the Hawks who will move some good young talent for a dealable D man or two as the "future consideration" due back from Vegas.

Duchene will be a Hawk.
- Return of the Roar

Future considerations almost always amounts to either nothing or extremely trivial stuff. Since a player cannot be traded for nothing, 'future considerations' is added as a simple statement to make the trade happen and it's most often used in situations where nothing is going to be the return in a trade.

When is the last time future considerations turned into anything significant like a player return?

Future considerations almost always amounts to either nothing or extremely trivial stuff. Since a player cannot be traded for nothing, 'future considerations' is added as a simple statement to make the trade happen and it's most often used in situations where nothing is going to be the return in a trade.

When is the last time future considerations turned into anything significant like a player return?
- L_B_R

If you see Stanbo and Q with front row seats at Cirque de Soleil in Vegas you"ll know those tickets concluded the trade.

Spot-on, Agree 110%.
- tompo1015

Not spot on - and not a constitutional issue.

The first amendment bans GOVERNMENT activities to prohibit or limit 5 specific freedoms - but does not address what private organizations can do.

The league or individual teams could ban the protests or other “political” activities, altho the NFLPA might get involved and say that the bans were not allowed in the collectively bargained basic CBA.

I for one hope they don’t ban them - or - if they do - they ban the other game day political activities - like the national anthem.

But - that’s just me.

This is all that needs to be said about the Bigot in Chief and anyone who is so blatantly prejudice and/or ignorant to still support him.

"Constitution of United States of America 1789 (rev. 1992)

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

It's an open and closed case, NFL players are fully in their rights to kneel during the anthem. As much as POTUS would like an Authoritarian regime, this is still America, where freedom of speech and peaceful protest is still allowed. See 1st Amendment to the Constitution above for those "offended veterans".
- EnzoD

Enzo , why post a staged picture of A bunch of hired thugs waking with Nazi flags? These clowns were recruited via CraigList by Soros who by the way also sponsors The "Black Matter groups. The majority of these protesters from both sides were dropped off two blocks from the start of the March by chartered buses with their clubs, flags and posters. This was a staged event made for TV. It's crazy what is going on in the worl!

Now about the NFL. About ten years ago you would not have seen any players on the field during the playing of NATIONAL ANTHEM on TV because the NFL had a rule that required all teams to stay in the locker rooms until after the completion of the anthem. Our U.S. GOVERNMENT payed a yearly fee to all the NFL teams for the right to make it mandatory that all NFL teams will be on the fields during the playing of the NATIONAL ANTHEM. The reason supposedly was it was good PR for recruiting for the armed forces.
We can eliminate all these problems on the field during the playing of the anthem by just keep all players in the locker room until it is finished. It' s no big deal to go back to the past procedures and eliminate all this chaos and keep the owners from getting any more money. Those owners are a bunch of hypocrites and will sell their soul to make more money....enough said!

Enzo , why post a staged picture of A bunch of hired thugs waking with Nazi flags? These clowns were recruited via CraigList by Soros who by the way also sponsors The "Black Matter groups. The majority of these protesters from both sides were dropped off two blocks from the start of the March by chartered buses with their clubs, flags and posters. This was a staged event made for TV. It's crazy what is going on in the worl!

- spanky

Ek has the right idea but the wrong teams in his most recent blog - its the Hawks who will move some good young talent for a dealable D man or two as the "future consideration" due back from Vegas.

Duchene will be a Hawk.
- Return of the Roar

Unless Stan surrenders Ruuta, we do not have an attractive enough ready defenseman Sakic would accept. Said would have to make a second trade if he worked out something with Stan. For Duchene Sakic could do better.

And even with Ruuta, despite how well he appears in preseason, a GM risking his neck to trade Duchene for a 27 yr old rookie. Make a trade like that and Sakic will be crucified if Ruuta anything less than stellar.

Unless Stan surrenders Ruuta, we do not have an attractive enough ready defenseman Sakic would accept. Said would have to make a second trade if he worked out something with Stan. For Duchene Sakic could do better.

And even with Ruuta, despite how well he appears in preseason, a GM risking his neck to trade Duchene for a 27 yr old rookie. Make a trade like that and Sakic will be crucified if Ruuta anything less than stellar.
- jhawk59

Rutta isn't what Sakic wants either - as you say, he's a 27 year old rookie and Sakic has been after an established d-man than is 25 or younger. The fact that Rutta is a UFA after this season means he's even less appealing for Colorado as that could end up as having traded Duchene for nothing.

If you see Stanbo and Q with front row seats at Cirque de Soleil in Vegas you"ll know those tickets concluded the trade.
- RickJ

Heh.

I think everyone is aware I'd love for us to pick up one of the young Vegas d-men, and they have a surplus of LD which is now the weakness for the Hawks since they're filled out 3-4 on the right (depending on if they sign Franson), so I could see it potentially working out. Maybe. It just won't have anything to do with future considerations - a trade with Vegas will still cost assets. And then it wouldn't be to move those then for Duchene, if only because the Hawks need more established players on defense than at forward it seems.

Not spot on - and not a constitutional issue.

The first amendment bans GOVERNMENT activities to prohibit or limit 5 specific freedoms - but does not address what private organizations can do.

The league or individual teams could ban the protests or other “political” activities, altho the NFLPA might get involved and say that the bans were not allowed in the collectively bargained basic CBA.

I for one hope they don’t ban them - or - if they do - they ban the other game day political activities - like the national anthem.

But - that’s just me.
- StLBravesFan

Trump said they should be fired--for a silent protest. That's wrong.

I'd favor ending the national anthem at sporting events. We don't have the anthem played at other entertainment events, why sporting events.