Those aren't similar situations lol. Chicago needed to lose Kruger's cap hit, Vegas was the only team offering. Jurco was a back-up plan to their true target and then a hope that he could be Panik 2.0 aka a change of scenery will do him good. Chicago gave up one of their three 3rd round picks, the 88th in the weakest draft class in decades and still had more picks than all but like two other teams. Even if Jurco doesn't pan out, it's no big loss on that pick. If it'd been a different draft class, maybe it'd be different but meh.
- L_B_R

http://www.eliteprospects.../player.php?player=278954

Just for yucks this is who the Wings chose with that pick.

Stan gets comped at the Bellagio when there in town. Deals done.
- Rota's Rooter

Just my opinion but I think Stan botched the EXP draft. Who should have traded TVR to a team that was going to lose a D prospect (that would be considered better then TVR) and then exposed Kruger and the other junk that was exposed and then either kurger would have been picked or we would pay his bonus on 7/1 and then trade him only being owed 3.8 Mil over 2 years which is very good value for a team looking for a really good 3/4 line center in his prime.

Something did not happen the way it was supposed to. Vegas got a 2nd and 5th out of the deals and we still paid a 2 mil bonus. Why didn't we just trade Kruger for a 5th ourselves?

Just my opinion but I think Stan botched the EXP draft. Who should have traded TVR to a team that was going to lose a D prospect (that would be considered better than TVR) Something did not happen the way it was supposed to. Vegas got a 2nd and 5th out of the deals and we still paid a 2 mil bonus. Why didn't we just trade Kruger for a 5th ourselves?
- kmw4631

I don't think there were teams that felt TvR was worthy of a top three defenseman exemption by the Vegas dispersal rules, for one.
BEFORE the expansion, teams weren't necessarily asking their competition to send their 2mil salaried defensive specialists to them BEFORE expansion draft.
Afterward, well. I bet Vegas went lookng for takers on many of their 13 selected defenders with few nibbles.

Stan used the Vegas disperals rules to free some space, and made sure Hartman and others didn't get picked.
That might have been a priority to keep a solid youngster in the stable with a STABLE low Cap hit...he is a guy who isn't going to not play pro and is a fit for the hawks.

Moving to the enxt topic:

I think Bouma and Wingles block a lot of shots and make a lot of hits.

PART of the new player contigent will be recruits who consistently fit the new coaching staff mantra: Our forwards and defensemen must attack the star players and make their attack zone possession difficult and attempt to make sure there is little open ice/room for them and they are very aware of the swarm is also going to rub you.

I think we will see if I am correct by virtue of which defenders "win" jobs...if three of the newbies (2 on defense) are guys that look to be asked to play heavy, I might be on to something...

I agree on the 2nd part but would argue that the 1st part is only partially true as I believe we do have some players like Hartman already on the team or system.

If we're talking strictly style, forwards like Panik, Wingels, and Hayden are similar to Hartman. Maybe even Dauphin and Kampf. And who knows in due time guys like Knott, Bondra, and Highmore can potentially bring the grit, relentlessness, and skill to the Hawks bottom-6.

If you're looking at offense, then I would think at this point in time, Panik is > than Hartman and Hartman is > than Hayden although given a full season Hayden could prove to be on par with Hartman. Having guys who can be 20 goal/20 assist players, or at least 20/15 or 15/20 players, are much needed to complement the highly skilled offensive forwards.

And although no longer a youngster, Sharp is already one of those guys who could be a 20/20 forward if healthy all year.
- AEL_Fox

A dark horse scenario to watch for is the low risk/high reward signing of Danis Zaripov, after the Hossa move to LTIR, as a 1 year placeholder for 2LW

A dark horse scenario to watch for is the low risk/high reward signing of Danis Zaripov, after the Hossa move to LTIR, as a 1 year placeholder for 2LW
- Sundevil

This scenario as well as two other for the latest Russian flavor in the league; each is a distinct possibility

A team may decide a veteran or a rookie is not the ideal fit, so enter the Russian

Another team may be waiting to clear salary space similar to what Chicago is planning. Trade, player release, whatever.

So would it be welcome to Chicago to Zaripov with love (for more offense)?

Word beginning to filter out that some NHL players may start this kneeling during the anthem BS. Joel Ward tweeted that out last night. Its enough. I already stopped watching the NFL. As a Veteran, that stuff torques me off.

These million dollar drama queens need to go take a walk through Arlington and see the graves of the men/women who gave their lives so these guys can do what they do.

I think the Hawks, as of the moment,are ok up front. Just have to figure out what line few players might fit best. The defense will be a work in progress. Between periods, CSN chats with Ulf Samuelson. Ulfie saying that they point out the mistakes and tell the players what the better options were. If you notice they are speaking to players on the bench, in a patient teaching way. Question is, how long will the patience last ? Ruta looks to be ok and may get better as the season plays out. Murphy needs to get better and he probably will. As long as they keep getting better throughout the season, and don't take any backward steps, defense should improve.

Word beginning to filter out that some NHL players may start this kneeling during the anthem BS. Joel Ward tweeted that out last night. Its enough. I already stopped watching the NFL. As a Veteran, that stuff torques me off.

These million dollar drama queens need to go take a walk through Arlington and see the graves of the men/women who gave their lives so these guys can do what they do.
- z1990z

With you. Keep politics out of sports.

Just my opinion but I think Stan botched the EXP draft. Who should have traded TVR to a team that was going to lose a D prospect (that would be considered better then TVR) and then exposed Kruger and the other junk that was exposed and then either kurger would have been picked or we would pay his bonus on 7/1 and then trade him only being owed 3.8 Mil over 2 years which is very good value for a team looking for a really good 3/4 line center in his prime.

Something did not happen the way it was supposed to. Vegas got a 2nd and 5th out of the deals and we still paid a 2 mil bonus. Why didn't we just trade Kruger for a 5th ourselves?
- kmw4631

We'll never know what deals were proposed and why the didn't occur. It is what it is right now.

A dark horse scenario to watch for is the low risk/high reward signing of Danis Zaripov, after the Hossa move to LTIR, as a 1 year placeholder for 2LW
- Sundevil

He's 36 so a 1 year deal is good. I think the front runner to land him though is Pittsburgh.

Word beginning to filter out that some NHL players may start this kneeling during the anthem BS. Joel Ward tweeted that out last night. Its enough. I already stopped watching the NFL. As a Veteran, that stuff torques me off.

These million dollar drama queens need to go take a walk through Arlington and see the graves of the men/women who gave their lives so these guys can do what they do.
- z1990z

Protests aren't about disrespecting the military! I'd strongly suggest you read or listen to what Bob Costas had to say about this:

http://www.upworthy.com/b...kneeling-football-players

Protests aren't about disrespecting the military! I'd strongly suggest you read or listen to what Bob Costas had to say about this:

http://www.upworthy.com/b...kneeling-football-players
- BMWChiFan

Its many things. Regardless, its our anthem. It started with Kapernick and the anthem was racist. Not gonna turn this into a political blog, but that is where it started. Its blossomed into this. As a Vet, just no. You stand. Its a slap. No sympathy for million dollar athletes who cry about things not being equal. Bears players are tweeting that. Its about race equality issues. Done now.

Its many things. Regardless, its our anthem. It started with Kapernick and the anthem was racist. Not gonna turn this into a political blog, but that is where it started. Its blossomed into this. As a Vet, just no. You stand. Its a slap. No sympathy for million dollar athletes who cry about things not being equal. Bears players are tweeting that. Its about race equality issues. Done now.
- z1990z

It's not, but you are entitled to your opinion.

With you. Keep politics out of sports.
- Lido_Shuffle

Yes - ok - keep politics out - start by eliminating the fake-patriotism of the anthem before every inconsequential athletic event.

http://www.eliteprospects.../player.php?player=278954

Just for yucks this is who the Wings chose with that pick.
- Rota's Rooter

Yeah, a goalie that won't be in the show for at least 4-5 years.

Its many things. Regardless, its our anthem. It started with Kapernick and the anthem was racist. Not gonna turn this into a political blog, but that is where it started. Its blossomed into this. As a Vet, just no. You stand. Its a slap. No sympathy for million dollar athletes who cry about things not being equal. Bears players are tweeting that. Its about race equality issues. Done now.
- z1990z

Kaepernick and others protesting are not saying the anthem is racist - they're protesting injustice related to race inequality, most specifically to do with police. I mean, saying Kaepernick is protesting the anthem/flag is like saying that Rosa Parks was protesting the public transit system. He also chose kneeling because it's considered a respectful move almost anywhere else - kneel before God, for example.

Also, you're not supposed to have sympathy with the athletes, you're supposed to have sympathy for the issues and people being impacted by those issues that the athletes are trying to bring attention too. They're trying to bring awareness to those outside of themselves - use their platform for what they see as good.

Kaepernick and others protesting are not saying the anthem is racist - they're protesting injustice related to race inequality, most specifically to do with police. I mean, saying Kaepernick is protesting the anthem/flag is like saying that Rosa Parks was protesting the public transit system. He also chose kneeling because it's considered a respectful move almost anywhere else - kneel before God, for example.

Also, you're not supposed to have sympathy with the athletes, you're supposed to have sympathy for the issues and people being impacted by those issues that the athletes are trying to bring attention too. They're trying to bring awareness to those outside of themselves - use their platform for what they see as good.
- L_B_R

He specifically chose kneeling because he thought sitting on the bench during the anthem was disrespectful, but most people who are angry about it don't bother to look in to why it's happening, they just call them entitled athletes and yell about it.

Kaepernick and others protesting are not saying the anthem is racist - they're protesting injustice related to race inequality, most specifically to do with police. I mean, saying Kaepernick is protesting the anthem/flag is like saying that Rosa Parks was protesting the public transit system. He also chose kneeling because it's considered a respectful move almost anywhere else - kneel before God, for example.

Also, you're not supposed to have sympathy with the athletes, you're supposed to have sympathy for the issues and people being impacted by those issues that the athletes are trying to bring attention too. They're trying to bring awareness to those outside of themselves - use their platform for what they see as good.
- L_B_R

I understand that. But I am a paying customer. I want my fill of sports. I should not have to witness any players feelings or thoughts on the field. Their kneeling is annoying so go kneel elsewhere, even blog about it. But by kneeling you are pushing it in my face. How about I respond by kneeling in front of you when you leave practice. I can get others to join me.

Why would I not do that. Because it is immature, childish way to act. It is not how to respond. The world does not care and will not change because you kneel. It is about as appropriate as knowing your favorite color - red, green, blue? In my mind you are not a deep thinker. You haven't accomplished anything but lower your image.

We have a President like no other we will probably experience again. Oh please just keep sports and politics separate when on the field. Is that asking too much. Do you feel so moved you have to kneel. Then you have a problem. You should not have to do that. Use your money to seek help. You know there is supposed to be separation of state and church. How about seperate your profession from politics. Did you not get a proper upbringing?

I am not pissed off or would ever think of planning a retaliation like you have. I do not agree with your action but I trust once this kneeling gets out of hand in sports venues, owners will say to please be respectful and keep it outside of the sports venue. Always problems in society and in a democratic society it takes outrage and the wealthy to be affected before anything is done about it. Just the facts. Study European history and there is the backdrop of how society reacts to what ails the people.

Protests aren't about disrespecting the military! I'd strongly suggest you read or listen to what Bob Costas had to say about this:

http://www.upworthy.com/b...kneeling-football-players
- BMWChiFan

Bob Costas isn't an authority on squat... and he certainly doesn't know what is in the mind of each "protestor". Kaepernick's conduct since the initial protest certainly indicates this was more of an insult than a "stand". I think it would have been far more respectful to just hold a fist in the air a la Munich but this is more about saying "we owe you and your flag nothing".

This PC society is preoccupied with removing any and every symbol that may offend any "oppressed group" when it suits their purposes but wants to call it non-offensive when these scum choose to mar the anthem - which many consider a ceremony of respect for those who have sacrificed themselves in service of the flag. Considering the "outrage" over statues etc.... shouldn't just one family of a fallen veteran being offended be enough?

Gold Star Family Shares Their Heartache Over Disrespect for Flag at Protests

https://pjmedia.com/lifes...n-nfl-takeaknee-protests/

He specifically chose kneeling because he thought sitting on the bench during the anthem was disrespectful, but most people who are angry about it don't bother to look in to why it's happening, they just call them entitled athletes and yell about it.
- JRoenick97

It's been so heavily ingrained in our society that the flag needs to be respected in a very specific way, but it's an odd disconnect when the flag is supposed to represent the ideals of our country, of which freedom of speech is one. As long as they're not like flipping the flag off or burning it on the field, I don't see how it's disrespectful. Kneeling is usually respectful behavior in most other contexts so it's odd to me that people suddenly think it's the opposite in this one instance.

It's especially odd that anyone who is a Hawks fan is saying kneeling is disrespectful since we're a fan base known for cheering through them anthem when the traditional behavior is being quiet and/or singing along. Yes, we know it's meant to a another way of celebrating the anthem, but it's still different from the norm, just like kneeling. It's a big hypocritical imo.

I understand that. But I am a paying customer. I want my fill of sports. I should not have to witness any players feelings or thoughts on the field. Their kneeling is annoying so go kneel elsewhere, even blog about it. But by kneeling you are pushing it in my face. How about I respond by kneeling in front of you when you leave practice. I can get others to join me.

Why would I not do that. Because it is immature, childish way to act. It is not how to respond. The world does not care and will not change because you kneel. It is about as appropriate as knowing your favorite color - red, green, blue? In my mind you are not a deep thinker. You haven't accomplished anything but lower your image.

We have a President like no other we will probably experience again. Oh please just keep sports and politics separate when on the field. Is that asking too much. Do you feel so moved you have to kneel. Then you have a problem. You should not have to do that. Use your money to seek help. You know there is supposed to be separation of state and church. How about seperate your profession from politics. Did you not get a proper upbringing?

I am not pissed off or would ever think of planning a retaliation like you have. I do not agree with your action but I trust once this kneeling gets out of hand in sports venues, owners will say to please be respectful and keep it outside of the sports venue. Always problems in society and in a democratic society it takes outrage and the wealthy to be affected before anything is done about it. Just the facts. Study European history and there is the backdrop of how society reacts to what ails the people.
- jhawk59

Wow. These players aren't your property, or even your employees. They provide entertainment, sure, but it's their lives to do with as they choose. You don't like it? Stop being a paying customer. These guys are in a position to draw attention to a plight that they think is worthy of attention. Agree or not, they can do what they want. You don't have to pay for it. You don't have to like it, but you sure as (frank) don't get to tell them what to do with their lives. To call athletes "entitled" then post this kind of entitled thinking is beyond hypocritical.

Bob Costas isn't an authority on squat... and he certainly doesn't know what is in the mind of each "protestor". Kaepernick's conduct since the initial protest certainly indicates this was more of an insult than a "stand". I think it would have been far more respectful to just hold a fist in the air a la Munich but this is more about saying "we owe you and your flag nothing".

This PC society is preoccupied with removing any and every symbol that may offend any "oppressed group" when it suits their purposes but wants to call it non-offensive when these scum choose to mar the anthem - which many consider a ceremony of respect for those who have sacrificed themselves in service of the flag. Considering the "outrage" over statues etc.... shouldn't just one family of a fallen veteran being offended be enough?

Gold Star Family Shares Their Heartache Over Disrespect for Flag at Protests

https://pjmedia.com/lifes...n-nfl-takeaknee-protests/
- tredbrta

This is hilarious irony to post this PC complaint while simultaneously being offended at kneeling protest.

The problem with your post is that people infer the kneeling as a slight against veterans when it's nothing like that. Though it doesn't matter because everyone has their mind made up that its some dig at the flag and armed services, no matter how many times it's said not to be.

I understand that. But I am a paying customer. I want my fill of sports. I should not have to witness any players feelings or thoughts on the field. Their kneeling is annoying so go kneel elsewhere, even blog about it. But by kneeling you are pushing it in my face. How about I respond by kneeling in front of you when you leave practice. I can get others to join me.

Why would I not do that. Because it is immature, childish way to act. It is not how to respond. The world does not care and will not change because you kneel. It is about as appropriate as knowing your favorite color - red, green, blue? In my mind you are not a deep thinker. You haven't accomplished anything but lower your image.

We have a President like no other we will probably experience again. Oh please just keep sports and politics separate when on the field. Is that asking too much. Do you feel so moved you have to kneel. Then you have a problem. You should not have to do that. Use your money to seek help. You know there is supposed to be separation of state and church. How about seperate your profession from politics. Did you not get a proper upbringing?

I am not pissed off or would ever think of planning a retaliation like you have. I do not agree with your action but I trust once this kneeling gets out of hand in sports venues, owners will say to please be respectful and keep it outside of the sports venue. Always problems in society and in a democratic society it takes outrage and the wealthy to be affected before anything is done about it. Just the facts. Study European history and there is the backdrop of how society reacts to what ails the people.
- jhawk59

Sports and politics have often intermingled. I mean, the fact they have the anthem at sporting events not at a global level is political inherently. Religion is also pretty ingrained in sports, which is political in it's own right. And sports is not state - sports league are private businesses. What a weird statement.

Also, just because you're paying for cable/tickets to games doesn't mean those players are slaves to your opinions that politics don't belong. They still have the right to express themselves however they want, as long as their employer allows it. Which currently the NFL and many team owners are. If the owners decide to change their mind, then the players will need to stop, but it's not at that point yet. You don't have to be a paying customer, either - players have the right to do/say what they want at work as long as their employers allow it and you have the right to not support it monetarily. You can just ignore idk.

Also, I'd like to point out most of the players that were originally protesting are some of the most charitable, giving back to their communities with both time and money. They both talk the talk and walk the walk.

Yes - ok - keep politics out - start by eliminating the fake-patriotism of the anthem before every inconsequential athletic event.
- StLBravesFan

Another utterly specious comeback but I bet you felt it was clever when you typed it. Should the countdown to you calling everyone you disagree with a racist begin now?

You are the single largest violator here of inserting politics into the discussion. I really don't care that you're a treasonous, cowardly, socialist, left wing parasite. I bled multiple times for your right to be one. Just keep it off the board.

And before you accuse me of being a fake patriot or a racist take note that I am a minority and a veteran.

Finished with this topic on the board. If you plan one of your clever (and brave) retorts PM me.

Despite my love of a great debate (and I'm trying hard to resist jumping in), here are the lines etc. at practice today:

Blackhawks practice lines:
Saad-Toews-Panik
Sharp-Schmaltz-Kane
DeBrincat-Anisimov-Hartman
Hayden-Kero-Bouma
Hinostroza-Kampf-Jurco

Main Blackhawks group practicing today doesn't include Crawford, Delia, Dauphin, Tootoo, Wingels, Pokka & Gustafsson.