I may be in the minority here, but if trading Debrincat (plus) could land the Hawks a top 4 d-man I would do that in a heartbeat.
- DarthKane

It would depend on the plus. And what top 4 d-man? People keep throwing out names like Trouba, Barrie, and Tanev but those aren't realistic imo. The packages for them would need to be an overpayment for the more established player for an in-division trade and most of those teams can't afford to lose a top 4 d-man themselves. And the Hawks don't have what most of the teams that have surplus of young, less proven d-men. I mean, Carolina wants a high offense center that could be a 1a/b, which is not Anisimov.

So yeah, I'd give up Debrincat+ for some of those guys, but it's not going to happen. The Hawks rarely get the big name guy - they end up with the Jurcos instead of Tatars.

It would depend on the plus. And what top 4 d-man? People keep throwing out names like Trouba, Barrie, and Tanev but those aren't realistic imo. The packages for them would need to be an overpayment for the more established player for an in-division trade and most of those teams can't afford to lose a top 4 d-man themselves. And the Hawks don't have what most of the teams that have surplus of young, less proven d-men. I mean, Carolina wants a high offense center that could be a 1a/b, which is not Anisimov.

So yeah, I'd give up Debrincat+ for some of those guys, but it's not going to happen. The Hawks rarely get the big name guy - they end up with the Jurcos instead of Tatars.
- L_B_R

I was just talking in general terms, stating that I don't have an issue trading Debrincat if the Hawks got quality in return. That being said, I fully acknowledge that it would take a lot more than just Debrincat to land a top 4. Unless Stan trades with Benning and gets Tanev. Benning sucks as a GM, he'd probably part with Tanev and retain 50% just for Debrincat.

Oduya was also not that great before he came to us.
- JRoenick97

He was a legit #4 when he was here and he was healthy, and played his role very well. I didn't follow him much before he was here, honestly, so I don't have much of an opinion, though he did make the 2010 Swedish Olympic team, so he couldn't have been that bad.

He was a legit #4 when he was here and he was healthy, and played his role very well. I didn't follow him much before he was here, honestly, so I don't have much of an opinion, though he did make the 2010 Swedish Olympic team, so he couldn't have been that bad.
- 333inthe3rd

He played on NJ who was a much better defensive team up through part of the 09-10 season. he got traded to ATL who was not nearly as good, and his possession numbers took a big hit. He came to us and was immediately better. He kind of goes as his team goes.

It would depend on the plus. And what top 4 d-man? People keep throwing out names like Trouba, Barrie, and Tanev but those aren't realistic imo. The packages for them would need to be an overpayment for the more established player for an in-division trade and most of those teams can't afford to lose a top 4 d-man themselves. And the Hawks don't have what most of the teams that have surplus of young, less proven d-men. I mean, Carolina wants a high offense center that could be a 1a/b, which is not Anisimov.

So yeah, I'd give up Debrincat+ for some of those guys, but it's not going to happen. The Hawks rarely get the big name guy - they end up with the Jurcos instead of Tatars.
- L_B_R

If team's have been/were offering better than a blue chip Top 6 Winger prospect, Top 4 D prospect and a 1st/2nd for Trouba/Barrie/Tanev/??, the deal would have been executed already, IMO. Trouba does not appear to love Winnipeg and is likely not going to extend there when his current deal expires in 2 seasons.

I think it's a pipe dream to expect the Hawks to trade for a true top 4 Dman this late to season-start.

*NO* team is going to give up a quality blueliner unless Stan WAAAY overpays. And, frankly, the Hawks don't have a lot of young talented wingers in the pipeline to overpay.

I think Stan goes with what he has, esp for the first 20 games or so, to evaluate. And, HOPEFULLY he's able to upgrade this blueline at the TDL. Keith is still solid, Seabrook is gonna get turnstiled even more this year....after that? Murphy is STILL a yuuuge question mark. Kempney, I think, can become a solid 4-5. Rutta--the same. Oesterle might stick because Q likes him.

For the Hawks to compete, there will have to be a lot of "goalie wins" this year.

Gubransson and Tanev for Seabs and ADB.? Hawks get younger and 2 RHD? Would love to see if virtanen is available.

No idea on how to fix the defense. But thankfully I'm not the GM

Gubransson and Tanev for Seabs and ADB.? Hawks get younger and 2 RHD? Would love to see if virtanen is available.

No idea on how to fix the defense. But thankfully I'm not the GM
- ikeane

Virtanen has been so (frank)ed up developmentally by the Canucks, I'd stay away from him.

Not that i'm saying any of this happens, but if we're kicking tires, stay away from Virtanen imo

I really disagree on his track record. For his age and situation he did pretty well and was improving year over year. You really can't consider him a prospect after he has nearly 260 games under his belt at age 24. Would you have considered Hjalmarrson a prospect going into the 2011-12 season? He was about the same age and had significantly less games under his belt (and less TOI).

I'm not saying he is perfect, but he was a #3 on an NHL team for a reason and I'm not reading much into a preseason game or two.
- breadbag

You know as well as I do that confidsnce has a lot to do with success as an NHL dman. Good coaching along the way makes a difference, too. But in Phoenix despite Tippet stressing defense, the defensemen as a group and a lot of young forwards really leaves a young dman in compromising position. Remember us lighting them up in Phoenix last year?

The question I am certain Bowman had to ask himself and formulate an answer, is this: is Murphy of high enough calibre ability and can good coaching bring him to the point of becoming a solid second pair?

Now Bowman and Q have to be thinking, is one of the young dman going to step up and by season end be solid in a #2 pair.

Despite a couple things nonetheless I like Ruuta chance to be that second pair guy. And I would wager that Kempny could settle nicely in a third pair. Who and where they play, however, may be more tuned into whom they have success being paired with and to some extent the offensive/defensive & physical/non physical style each plays enters into the equation as well.

Now certainly ADB will benefit from the AHL experience. But I cannot fathom moving him while he is far from the scorer he is quite likely to become. This kid wants it and will pay the price, so it is a matter of how long and whom does he play with say NEXT season.

The other thing about making a trade to acquire a valued and experienced dman, is does the other team truly want what we offer. Just put yourself in that Gm shoes and evaluate. Hartman is a desirable piece to acquire. Right now I prefer to keep him and see by Xmas how some of our young dman have progressed. Hartman fits what we want on a #3 line, and he can be spotted on a more potent offensive line, too, without worry.

Going forward our biggest trading chips are not only ADB and Hartman, but a blue chip prospect and, perhaps, a #1. Those are assets you always hate to ship out. Some of our blue chip prospects, btw, may not be held quite high esteem now but perhaps later are liked more
Not just ADB, but the two Boston collegiate kids and our #1 2017.

I bet any dman added is a veteran at low cost.

You really hate to move dman prospects whom are not to close now, but they are special from an offensive point of view. Perhaps Snuggerud as third pair later but as wiz has said, L Carlson and Krys can really skate the puck and Jyrkipara, maybe Press might be the real deal too

Gubransson and Tanev for Seabs and ADB.? Hawks get younger and 2 RHD? Would love to see if virtanen is available.

No idea on how to fix the defense. But thankfully I'm not the GM
- ikeane

He is terrible.

I really disagree on his track record. For his age and situation he did pretty well and was improving year over year. You really can't consider him a prospect after he has nearly 260 games under his belt at age 24. Would you have considered Hjalmarrson a prospect going into the 2011-12 season? He was about the same age and had significantly less games under his belt (and less TOI).

I'm not saying he is perfect, but he was a #3 on an NHL team for a reason and I'm not reading much into a preseason game or two.
- breadbag

Because they had nothing else? The fact he played top 3 does NOT mean he is Top 3. But yea pre-season isn't a time to get concerned I don't guess, but I wish the guy wouldn't make one egregious play EVERY game and maybe augment it with some good hockey. Maybe his suspect hockey gives way to Norris level skills on 10/8. At this point I am just hoping he's an adequate third pairing guy. The more I see of him the less I want him among the top 4. I am sure he'll be rolled out on Keith's side come opening night. Good luck going against Crosby all night.

If team's have been/were offering better than a blue chip Top 6 Winger prospect, Top 4 D prospect and a 1st/2nd for Trouba/Barrie/Tanev/??, the deal would have been executed already, IMO. Trouba does not appear to love Winnipeg and is likely not going to extend there when his current deal expires in 2 seasons.
- EnzoD

The only thing Trouba didn't like about Winnipeg was that they were playing him on his off-side. He's not being played that way anymore. It's possible that he'd be moved, but they'd want an established young RD back since they're light on that side. They might get into some money disputes with him, but they'll likely care about that in-season and/or next summer.

It took Hall to get just Larsson, imagine what it would take to get Trouba. When Panarin was on the team, I thought he might be the piece to maybe he get a proven beyond a shadow of a doubt top 4 d-man, but ah well.

Because they had nothing else? The fact he played top 3 does NOT mean he is Top 3. But yea pre-season isn't a time to get concerned I don't guess, but I wish the guy wouldn't make one egregious play EVERY game and maybe augment it with some good hockey. Maybe his suspect hockey gives way to Norris level skills on 10/8. At this point I am just hoping he's an adequate third pairing guy. The more I see of him the less I want him among the top 4. I am sure he'll be rolled out on Keith's side come opening night. Good luck going against Crosby all night.
- kwolf68

I'm with you Wolf, but Q gave him an "A" last night...maybe that means something??

I'm with you Wolf, but Q gave him an "A" last night...maybe that means something??
- EnzoD

A shot of confidence perhaps

Was Gudbrudsen better his earlier years. Interesting who traded him, Uncle Dale or the short term GM T Rowe. Who made the call (drafting, later on trading) on the apparently less than hoped for hype of a high #1 dman.

Can we compare this defenceman time line to Murphy.

Anxiously await how Murph plays come December.. He won't be as bad as Runsblad, correct.. Guessing he rights his sinking ship, but it might take a while.

He couldn't have been terrible else Tippet wouldn't keep trotting him out.

Because they had nothing else? The fact he played top 3 does NOT mean he is Top 3. But yea pre-season isn't a time to get concerned I don't guess, but I wish the guy wouldn't make one egregious play EVERY game and maybe augment it with some good hockey. Maybe his suspect hockey gives way to Norris level skills on 10/8. At this point I am just hoping he's an adequate third pairing guy. The more I see of him the less I want him among the top 4. I am sure he'll be rolled out on Keith's side come opening night. Good luck going against Crosby all night.
- kwolf68

Can he play some real games first before the sky starts falling and making crazy ass assumptions? For the love of all things holy and sacred!

Can he play some real games first before the sky starts falling and making crazy ass assumptions? For the love of all things holy and sacred!
- Dannyboy

No Kidding have never seen such a group of, well fans ..GO HAWKS !!

He probably needs a season in Rockford, but he could be a viable option next season.
- DarthKane

He will go to Rockford, and be back before the end of the year. Injuries, players who look OK now, but get worse the longer you see them play and other teams figure out their weaknesses and exploit them.

Agree with you and Enzo...Stan's projecting and what Murphy currently is are 2 different things. Sure new system with a new defensive coach so let's see what Ulf can do with him...but top 4 dmen don't grow on trees and Bowman just traded our best defender to the desert, because he was the only one without a no mover...sure financially it was a good move, but you're trying to win a Cup right?

Some have mentioned waiting to the TDL to get another vet dman and we all saw how that worked out two years ago against St. Louis. Bowman didn't get it done.
Let's hope Ulf works some magic here.
- DK002

Could we just let the season play out for a bit.

A lot of guys have been hammered here for not being ready. Saad, for one, jeez he was a bust that first part of the first year.

It was only 1 month ago that Nick Schmaltz was a chicken legged slacker who had not heart and couldn't win a draw.

Young guys need some time. Not saying they are all going to be good, but while i disagree with Q every now and then, I am smart enough to know that they know what they are doing with evaluation.

Show me the player who they let get away who turned out to be a star that wasn't because of salary cap reasons.

Does anyone remember around the LV draft or trades afterwards either Knights or Carolina owes us a solid as part of the Kruger or JVR transaction. I recall something to this...help!!!

Does anyone remember around the LV draft or trades afterwards either Knights or Carolina owes us a solid as part of the Kruger or JVR transaction. I recall something to this...help!!!
- glennjpawlak22

Chicago trades Kruger to Vegas for future considerations. I don’t expect those future considerations to ever amount to anything.

Chicago trades Kruger to Vegas for future considerations. I don’t expect those future considerations to ever amount to anything.
- DarthKane

Sounds like how SB should have structured the Jurco trade. Nah. Let's give Det a 3rd

Sounds like how SB should have structured the Jurco trade. Nah. Let's give Det a 3rd
- glennjpawlak22

Those aren't similar situations lol. Chicago needed to lose Kruger's cap hit, Vegas was the only team offering. Jurco was a back-up plan to their true target and then a hope that he could be Panik 2.0 aka a change of scenery will do him good. Chicago gave up one of their three 3rd round picks, the 88th in the weakest draft class in decades and still had more picks than all but like two other teams. Even if Jurco doesn't pan out, it's no big loss on that pick. If it'd been a different draft class, maybe it'd be different but meh.

He's currently injured. Needs to stay with Hawks to rehab and so they can put him in a position to be ready for RFD.

He may already be in RFD rehabbing, but on paper just says he's still in camp.
- TyCamScore

Thanks for the input on the Noel status. Sorry meant to say that earlier but got swamped at work.

We may have forward depth, but there are no Hartmans there. We need more Hartmans -there is no way that we should even thinking about moving someone like him. Fans of other teams have noticed too seeing that he is always included in trade proposals.
- 67hawks

I agree on the 2nd part but would argue that the 1st part is only partially true as I believe we do have some players like Hartman already on the team or system.

If we're talking strictly style, forwards like Panik, Wingels, and Hayden are similar to Hartman. Maybe even Dauphin and Kampf. And who knows in due time guys like Knott, Bondra, and Highmore can potentially bring the grit, relentlessness, and skill to the Hawks bottom-6.

If you're looking at offense, then I would think at this point in time, Panik is > than Hartman and Hartman is > than Hayden although given a full season Hayden could prove to be on par with Hartman. Having guys who can be 20 goal/20 assist players, or at least 20/15 or 15/20 players, are much needed to complement the highly skilled offensive forwards.

And although no longer a youngster, Sharp is already one of those guys who could be a 20/20 forward if healthy all year.

Does anyone remember around the LV draft or trades afterwards either Knights or Carolina owes us a solid as part of the Kruger or JVR transaction. I recall something to this...help!!!
- glennjpawlak22

Stan gets comped at the Bellagio when there in town. Deals done.