What are you talking about?.... Thank God we have PC, MacT didn't have the Balls to offer Lucic that kind of bread.
- Larsson_fan

Lol. Well Mact made his share of bad signings too. Ference, Fayne...awful signings that I said we're awful at the time and most of the morons here said they were awesome...until they realized they weren't.

Except Lucic has a full no move clause for the entire contract. He controls everything.
- Iggysbff

NMC's suck balls. But Chia likes them. Anyone see where I'm going with this?

You know who I would have loved to see as a GM?
Ralph Kreuger. That guy was crafty as hell.

Even as a coach, he did a wonderful job. Shame that he was replaced by Eakins, which to me, didn't make sense in any aspect. The Oilers were improving under Kreuger and he was bringing out the best of Yak. There should have been no reason to replace him, regardless of who was available in Coach F/A. That was the biggest mistake, to me, that MacT made during his tenure, and he did it over a Skype call, a (frank)ing skype call.

Not if it costs us 4mill+ per year for the next 3 or 4.
I would have been okayish with that deal had Chia not signed Russell to a 4m/4y deal.

I sincerely hope that Maroon doesn't get too greedy and settles with 2.5-3, but if he is looking for anything north of that, especially above 4m, trade him.

We need to restock our offensive prospect boards as much as we can and utilize the ELC method as well as we can in these following years. That's the only way this team stays a playoff team, hell even a contender after 10y+. The Russell deal was already a bad move in the wrong direction.
- EdmHockeyMan

How is it greedy on his part to want fair market value for his services? And what is wrong with our offensive prospects right now? Puljujarvi, Yamamoto, Benson, are all highly touted prospects. We need a 2nd/3rd rounder more than we need Maroon for a playoff run? Get your head out of your ass!

You know who I would have loved to see as a GM?
Ralph Kreuger. That guy was crafty as hell.

Even as a coach, he did a wonderful job. Shame that he was replaced by Eakins, which to me, didn't make sense in any aspect. The Oilers were improving under Kreuger and he was bringing out the best of Yak. There should have been no reason to replace him, regardless of who was available in Coach F/A. That was the biggest mistake, to me, that MacT made during his tenure, and he did it over a Skype call, a (frank)ing skype call.
- EdmHockeyMan

You want to hire perhaps the least qualified guy because think he's crafty?

Also the Oilers weren't really improving outside the powerplay. They were trending n towards a bottom 3 finish had the season been 82 games. This has all been discussed to death, where were you?

Except Lucic has a full no move clause for the entire contract. He controls everything.
- Iggysbff

I'm sure if things fell apart between him and the organization and we wanted to move on from him, he wouldn't want to be here either. If Phaneuf was moved and the Clarkson and Horton contracts were moved, anyone can be moved

How is it greedy on his part to want fair market value for his services? And what is wrong with our offensive prospects right now? Puljujarvi, Yamamoto, Benson, are all highly touted prospects. We need a 2nd/3rd rounder more than we need Maroon for a playoff run? Get your head out of your ass!
- Ihatebrianburke

I actually agree with you. You don't trade Maroon at the deadline unless it's to improve the team for the playoffs.

Yeah but that's it. Most teams get to make one big free agent signing to add to their home grown core or whatever.
Could be worse. We didn't sign Andrew Ladd.
- Larsson_fan

Thank McJesus we didn't sign him!!!

I actually agree with you. You don't trade Maroon at the deadline unless it's to improve the team for the playoffs.
- Larsson_fan

People were already all over Chiarelli for not adding anything more than Desharnais for the run last year. That's one thing to let your team try without help. It's a whole other thing to trade away your 1st line LW at the trade deadline for a draft pick when you're one of the favourites to win the cup. There is no way that happens. We would simply walk away from Maroon before we trade him like that. He would be fired for sure, and with good cause!

NMC's suck balls. But Chia likes them. Anyone see where I'm going with this?
- EdmHockeyMan

You like dudes that suck balls???

You like dudes that suck balls???
- Ihatebrianburke

No.

How is it greedy on his part to want fair market value for his services? And what is wrong with our offensive prospects right now? Puljujarvi, Yamamoto, Benson, are all highly touted prospects. We need a 2nd/3rd rounder more than we need Maroon for a playoff run? Get your head out of your ass!
- Ihatebrianburke

Not saying we should trade him, but if he is asking for more than what we can afford, then yes. As for market value, his numbers have been inflated by McDavid, so there is that. If you think he is worth 4m for the next 3-4 years, you must be crazy. Even if Russell wasn't signed, I would still see that deal as okayish. 3m per is the max he should see. Anything above that = bad asset management on Chia's part.

As for your prospects comment, two of those players are RW's and one is an LW. Both of those RW might be playing NHL hockey by year's end. Benson, to me, is probably going to turn out into another Pitlick, a more skilled version of him. So where are your highly touted offensive prospects now? All in the NHL (most likely) or on the injury reserve (Benson). And we're back to square one.

People were already all over Chiarelli for not adding anything more than Desharnais for the run last year. That's one thing to let your team try without help. It's a whole other thing to trade away your 1st line LW at the trade deadline for a draft pick when you're one of the favourites to win the cup. There is no way that happens. We would simply walk away from Maroon before we trade him like that. He would be fired for sure, and with good cause!
- Ihatebrianburke

Yep. Sometimes you have to rent your own pending UFA's.

Not saying we should trade him, but if he is asking for more than what we can afford, then yes. As for market value, his numbers have been inflated by McDavid, so there is that. If you think he is worth 4m for the next 3-4 years, you must be crazy. Even if Russell wasn't signed, I would still see that deal as okayish. 3m per is the max he should see. Anything above that = bad asset management on Chia's part.

As for your prospects comment, two of those players are RW's and one is an LW. Both of those RW might be playing NHL hockey by year's end. Benson, to me, is probably going to turn out into another Pitlick, a more skilled version of him. So where are your highly touted offensive prospects now? All in the NHL (most likely) or on the injury reserve (Benson). And we're back to square one.
- EdmHockeyMan

You're repeating what I've already said. Literally, like word for word. I already stated he wasn't worth 4mill. I already stated I wouldn't sign him for 4 years. Andddddddd I already stated that Benson was just like Pitlick. Now quit rewriting everything I've already written, and (frank) off!!!

Yep. Sometimes you have to rent your own pending UFA's.
- Larsson_fan

If anything we'll be looking to add at the deadline, and trading away picks and prospects for a shot at the cup. Not throwing away our shot for a 2nd/3rd rounder that probably won't ever pan out like this guy seems to think.

You want to hire perhaps the least qualified guy because think he's crafty?

Also the Oilers weren't really improving outside the powerplay. They were trending n towards a bottom 3 finish had the season been 82 games. This has all been discussed to death, where were you?
- Larsson_fan

Oilers weren't seen as a playoff team prior to the start of the season. Look at their roster and tell me that it was destined to be a playoff team. It wasn't. You had no clue who was the #1 goalie at the time, the defense was led by a defender who had hollow bones and a bad foot (2 osteotomy surgeries), a plethora of youth in the lineup, and the list goes on. But what he did was he helped develop players. Schultz, Yak, Hall, Gagner, and a few others saw a great year in terms of individualistic strides. They were just in the middle of a bad streak near season's end. Injuries started piling up, Whitney was out, Hemsky was out, RNH was out.

You're repeating what I've already said. Literally, like word for word. I already stated he wasn't worth 4mill. I already stated I wouldn't sign him for 4 years. Andddddddd I already stated that Benson was just like Pitlick. Now quit rewriting everything I've already written, and (frank) off!!!
- Ihatebrianburke

Firstly, I don't read every comment that gets posted on these boards. Secondly, you said none of that in your previous post, so how the hell would I know you said that?
Kinda being a bit harsh, no? If anything, it would mean that we actually agree if we are thinking the same thing.

If anything we'll be looking to add at the deadline, and trading away picks and prospects for a shot at the cup. Not throwing away our shot for a 2nd/3rd rounder that probably won't ever pan out like this guy seems to think.
- Ihatebrianburke

I never said that we should be throwing him away. All I'm trying to say is that if he wants too much, a 2+3 doesn't look so bad now, does it?

Not saying we should trade him, but if he is asking for more than what we can afford, then yes. As for market value, his numbers have been inflated by McDavid, so there is that. If you think he is worth 4m for the next 3-4 years, you must be crazy. Even if Russell wasn't signed, I would still see that deal as okayish. 3m per is the max he should see. Anything above that = bad asset management on Chia's part.

As for your prospects comment, two of those players are RW's and one is an LW. Both of those RW might be playing NHL hockey by year's end. Benson, to me, is probably going to turn out into another Pitlick, a more skilled version of him. So where are your highly touted offensive prospects now? All in the NHL (most likely) or on the injury reserve (Benson). And we're back to square one.
- EdmHockeyMan

There is absolutely no circumstance where we deal maroon at the td unless the season has went south and we're totally out of the playoff race.
We're trying to make a playoff run here.

Same goes for Nuge. Cloutier was bloviating about dealing him before the season/td cause we're gonna have to move him at some point. Insanity. We make a run this year and then deal him at a loss in the summer. Period.

We're in a cap crunch due to some of the deals just signed which sucks, but we ain't derailing winning now because if it. in fact, we're even more desperate to keep said players now because of said cap crunch.

We try and sign maroon to a reasonable deal this year, or he walks in the offseason. Those are the options.

I never said that we should be throwing him away. All I'm trying to say is that if he wants too much, a 2+3 doesn't look so bad now, does it?
- EdmHockeyMan

It looks terrible and is terrible when you're trading away your 1st line LW at the trade deadline for draft picks when you're supposed to be a cup contender. It would be absolutely retarded! Chiarelli would be fired! Why not just take a shot at the cup and walk away from him at the end of the year if he wants too much? Are you (frank)ing kidding me?How many shots do you actually get at the cup? You don't just throw them away. A 2nd rounder is nothing compared to what a cup run would mean for this team and city. Hang your head in shame! Give yourself a kick in the nuts! That is absolutely pathetic to suggest we do something so stupid!

Oilers weren't seen as a playoff team prior to the start of the season. Look at their roster and tell me that it was destined to be a playoff team. It wasn't. You had no clue who was the #1 goalie at the time, the defense was led by a defender who had hollow bones and a bad foot (2 osteotomy surgeries), a plethora of youth in the lineup, and the list goes on. But what he did was he helped develop players. Schultz, Yak, Hall, Gagner, and a few others saw a great year in terms of individualistic strides. They were just in the middle of a bad streak near season's end. Injuries started piling up, Whitney was out, Hemsky was out, RNH was out.
- EdmHockeyMan

Half those guys spent the lockout playing in Russia or the AHL. It was reported that the Oilers had more players playing than any other team during the lockout and they hit the ground running...but yeah, it was all Kruger.

How is he qualified to be a GM in the NHL?

There is absolutely no circumstance where we deal maroon at the td unless the season has went south and we're totally out of the playoff race.
We're trying to make a playoff run here.

Same goes for Nuge. Cloutier was bloviating about dealing him before the season/td cause we're gonna have to move him at some point. Insanity. We make a run this year and then deal him at a loss in the summer. Period.

We're in a cap crunch due to some of the deals just signed which sucks, but we ain't derailing winning now because if it. in fact, we're even more desperate to keep said players now because of said cap crunch.
We try and sign maroon to a reasonable deal this year, or he walks. Those are the options.
- HB77

Exactly!!!

I never said that we should be throwing him away. All I'm trying to say is that if he wants too much, a 2+3 doesn't look so bad now, does it?
- EdmHockeyMan

Ok, so how are you gonna get a 2nd rounder if you don't trade him before he becomes a free agent?

It looks terrible and is terrible when you're trading away your 1st line LW at the trade deadline for draft picks when you're supposed to be a cup contender. It would be absolutely retarded! Chiarelli would be fired! Why not just take a shot at the cup and walk away from him at the end of the year if he wants too much? Are you (frank)ing kidding me?How many shots do you actually get at the cup? You don't just throw them away. A 2nd rounder is nothing compared to what a cup run would mean for this team and city. Hang your head in shame! Give yourself a kick in the nuts! That is absolutely pathetic to suggest we do something so stupid!
- Ihatebrianburke

Easy....you can disagree but you can't call people
Stupid....or so says McSaviorsPupil.

Well damn, I see your guys points. You all make some good cases. Maybe I was starting to become negative in a contextual sense.

Understandable. However, I worry about the long-term aspect of this team. Sure, we might have a couple of shots at the cup in the next coming years, but what about after that? Maroon, Lucic, Sekera, Talbot, and a few others will be in their twilight years by then. We will need to be relying heavily on drafting and developing by then.

I do have one more question though.
Ellis or Brossoit, and why?

I'm actually starting to lean towards Ellis from what I've seen so far from him this pre-season.