I heard that Slash tore the Edmonton show apart! Friends were saying it was a great Show! I still think Appetite is the best Rock album of my time.
- Thorny87

It far exceeded my expectations man. Ive seen a lot of older bands that have shown their age but these guys didnt. Played 3.5 hours straight. About 1/3 of it was Slash soloing haha. Played pretty much all of Appetite, 3 or 4 off Lies, load and loads off Illusions, 2 off Democracy and 3 or 4 covers.

Appetite IMO should definitely be included in the conversation about best rock album of all time.

This is the show I was at. Im just to the right of centre stage and only about 8 or 9 rows back. Insanity. The sound in this video is sh!t because the camera is right next to the drum kit....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vphzCZk0FIY

Great article on Sheahan today from Custance. No paywall.

https://theathletic.com/1...d-over-the-hardest-times/
- Feds91Stammer

Nice article.

problem with sheehan as a 3c now is it eats up cap space to acquire a good 3c later.

Sheehan might be a legit 3c as in one of the top 90 centers in the NHL, but he's not a good 3c like bonino (45-70 in center rankings). Having a good 3c really helps with matchups.
- sditulli

Bones wasn't THAT good. He's good, but replaceable. Is there really a huge difference between 75 and 90? (If you're referring to points that is.)

Bones wasn't THAT good. He's good, but replaceable. Is there really a huge difference between 75 and 90? (If you're referring to points that is.)
- j.boyd919

Yeah if he was in the 45 to 70 range they would have just paid up and kept him.

Ryan Wilson: Long awaited center trade looks to be nearing conclusion
Long awaited center trade looks to be nearing conclusion
- Ryan_Wilson

Trade the Devils. Henrique for sprong or Domoulin + 1st. He's on an affordable contract at 4M, and is a perennial 20 goal scorer. Sheahan got 2 goals in 80 games last season. They must have someone in the system that is a better option then that. Trade the Devs

Trade the Devils. Henrique for sprong or Domoulin + 1st. He's on an affordable contract at 4M, and is a perennial 20 goal scorer. Sheahan got 2 goals in 80 games last season. They must have someone in the system that is a better option then that. Trade the Devs
- bikeguy99

I would consider that for sure. What about Maatta for Henrique straight up?

Trade the Devils. Henrique for sprong or Domoulin + 1st. He's on an affordable contract at 4M, and is a perennial 20 goal scorer. Sheahan got 2 goals in 80 games last season. They must have someone in the system that is a better option then that. Trade the Devs
- bikeguy99

You can sign me up for that, no sweat.

Why are you so eager to rid of him?

Have no idea what to think of Sheahan. 2015 Sheahan is the perfect player for 3rd C...but man 2 goals(!) last year

Long term First round pick doesnt mean anything (see Pouliot, Derrick). Then I read stuff like this...

t’s tough to project how Sheahan will turn out. He’s gaining confidence with each and every game, and his most recent goal against the Calgary Flames showcased this. He’s rapidly improving in the offensive zone without sacrificing his defensive responsibilities. He’s been a force in front of the net on the powerplay, displaying his great hands on deflections and moves in tight on the goalie. The next step in his development will be taking on more defensive responsibilities by matching up against a higher quality of opponents. As Detroit stars’ Henrik Zetterberg and Pavel Datsyuk age, Sheahan will be expected to pick up more responsibilities as the future #1 center of the team. He will be expected to match up against better opponents, win faceoffs at a consistent rate, and continue to produce at a high level. This season he is on pace for 16 goals and 36 points. With the way he dominates the puck, I think he should be able to settle in as a consistent 20 goal, 55-point player. Detroit’s center prospect depth has been called into question, but with the way Sheahan has produced in his first 85 games, I think the Wings may have their future #1 center.

Trade the Devils. Henrique for sprong or Domoulin + 1st. He's on an affordable contract at 4M, and is a perennial 20 goal scorer. Sheahan got 2 goals in 80 games last season. They must have someone in the system that is a better option then that. Trade the Devs
- bikeguy99

Why would the devils do that?

Avery doesn’t spare Tortorella’s right-hand man during those years: Current Pittsburgh Penguins coach Mike Sullivan, who has won two straight Stanley Cups. From Avery, after the 2009-10 season:

“None of us can stand listening to the mental midget and his big goofy sidekick, Mike Sullivan. Tortorella is a power-hungry control freak but he’s not smart enough to hire a good cop, even one he could play like a violin. If Mike Sullivan had played the good cop, he could still have turned around after meeting with a disgruntled player and told his puppet-master JT the details while giving the players some form of relief. Instead, they’re only able to female dog and vent to each other. This creates an unhealthy locker room.”

per Avery's book, and an article from Puck Daddy.

Nice blog about Nail Yakupov'a father

I would consider that for sure. What about Maatta for Henrique straight up?
- j.boyd919

Haha if you'd of said that a year ago I'd say ya. But honestly Maatta looked horendous in the playoffs with his turnovers and soft play. A miracle that D-Core held up without Letang. So sorry but I couldn't see that happening.

Why would the devils do that?
- Feds91Stammer

Look at the Centre options: Johanson (might play wing), Henrique, Zajac, Boyle (expected to be ready for the opener), Zacha, Hischier. They have great depth at Centre and someone can likely step up and fill that void. Lets face it, Devils aren't going to the playoffs this year, so selling Henrique early will only improve their lottery odds. They need Defence, or Draft picks.

Haha if you'd of said that a year ago I'd say ya. But honestly Maatta looked horendous in the playoffs with his turnovers and soft play. A miracle that D-Core held up without Letang. So sorry but I couldn't see that happening.
- bikeguy99

Yeah, I could see that, although I thought he was stronger during the playoffs than the regular season, and he played most of the playoffs with Daley and the numbers show that pairing as a trainwreck. I think he would be better in a system that focuses a little more on carrying the puck up the ice (Johnston's first year) as opposed to really fast transitional systems.

Sheahan is a legit 3C and DP has failed to develop.
- Feds91Stammer

Fixed

Yeah, I could see that, although I thought he was stronger during the playoffs than the regular season, and he played most of the playoffs with Daley and the numbers show that pairing as a trainwreck. I think he would be better in a system that focuses a little more on carrying the puck up the ice (Johnston's first year) as opposed to really fast transitional systems.
- j.boyd919

He had a way stronger playoffs... This guy is prob one of those people clinging to the Bobby Ryan OT goal where Maatta was burned. If you watxhed Maatta every game these past payoffs you'd know he was solid. Few blatant gaffes but other than that solid.

Bones wasn't THAT good. He's good, but replaceable. Is there really a huge difference between 75 and 90? (If you're referring to points that is.)
- j.boyd919

Over his 2 seasons in Pittsburgh, he produced 1.70 Pts/60.
Over his 3 seasons in Pittsburgh, Sutter produced 2.03 Pts/60.

Who would you rather have had? If it just comes down to points, then Sutter's the better choice.

Edit: FWIW, Sutter was 79 over those 3 seasons, Bonino was 82 over his 2 seasons.

Over his 2 seasons in Pittsburgh, he produced 1.70 Pts/60.
Over his 3 seasons in Pittsburgh, Sutter produced 2.03 Pts/60.

Who would you rather have had? If it just comes down to points, then Sutter's the better choice.
- jmatchett383

Where ya getting those numbers at? Are those 5v5?

naturalstattrick.com has them 5v5 at...
Sutter - 1.13 pts/60
Bonino - 1.75 pts/60

All situations
Sutter - 1.36 pts/60
Bonino - 1.70 pts/60

Unless I suck at math, which is possible.

Where ya getting those numbers at? Are those 5v5?

naturalstattrick.com has them 5v5 at...
Sutter - 1.13 pts/60
Bonino - 1.75 pts/60

All situations
Sutter - 1.36 pts/60
Bonino - 1.70 pts/60

Unless I suck at math, which is possible.
- j.boyd919

All situations.

And somehow, yes, my minutes got messed up for him. Still, he ranked higher (again, all situations) during his tenure than Bones did in overall points. I'm not saying Sutter was better, just that you have to account for more than just points.

Edit: Think I forgot to add all ice time for Sutter's 13/14 season.

All situations.

And somehow, yes, my minutes got messed up for him. Still, he ranked higher (again, all situations) during his tenure than Bones did in overall points. I'm not saying Sutter was better, just that you have to account for more than just points.

Edit: Think I forgot to add all ice time for Sutter's 13/14 season.
- jmatchett383

You don't have to manual add everything lol you can just go to the players pages on NST.com, add the seasons p/60 together and then divide by the number of seasons.. no? My math had Bones better in both statistics, 5v5 and all situations.

EDIT: But yes I agree there is more then just points, shot generation/suppression/high danger/scoring chances/zone entires/etc. There are tons of metrics to look at.

You don't have to manual add everything lol you can just go to the players pages on NST.com, add the seasons p/60 together and then divide by the number of seasons.. no? My math had Bones better in both statistics, 5v5 and all situations.

EDIT: But yes I agree there is more then just points, shot generation/suppression/high danger/scoring chances/zone entires/etc. There are tons of metrics to look at.
- j.boyd919

Bonino gets so much credit for being great defensively. The Hero charts show Sheahan being better at suppressing shots. I guess a block is still considered a "shot attempt" so that hurts Bonino. But, I'd rather those shots never be taken.

With good wingers, which Sheahan will have in Pittsburgh, I'd expect his numbers to be very similar to Bones'

Bonino gets so much credit for being great defensively. The Hero charts show Sheahan being better at suppressing shots. I guess a block is still considered a "shot attempt" so that hurts Bonino. But, I'd rather those shots never be taken.

With good wingers, which Sheahan will have in Pittsburgh, I'd expect his numbers to be very similar to Bones'
- cranktheradio

Yeah, I agree

Also, just looking at the roster, if the Pens pick up Zaripov they definitely need to move some wingers. They will basically have a 20 goal scoring winger on the 4th line. (Giving Rust 20 if he plays a full season.).
Guentzel, Sid, Sheary
Zaripov, Malkin, Hornquist
Hagelin, Sheahan?, Kessel
Wilson, McKegg, Rust

Where do you put Reeves, Kuhnhackle, Sprong when he's ready, ZAR,? Plus, you still have Rowney, Archibald, DiPauoli to fill in gaps when needed. Something's gotta give at some point even if they don't pick him up.

Also, just looking at the roster, if the Pens pick up Zaripov they definitely need to move some wingers. They will basically have a 20 goal scoring winger on the 4th line. (Giving Rust 20 if he plays a full season.).
Guentzel, Sid, Sheary
Zaripov, Malkin, Hornquist
Hagelin, Sheahan?, Kessel
Wilson, McKegg, Rust

Where do you put Reeves, Kuhnhackle, Sprong when he's ready, ZAR,? Plus, you still have Rowney, Archibald, DiPauoli to fill in gaps when needed. Something's gotta give at some point even if they don't pick him up.
- cranktheradio

I still feel like a winger will be moved, perhaps DP is an "add in" They just have too many wingers. You know Reeves is going to dress every night on the 4th line. They didn't give up what they did, for him to sit. I still think Wilson could be the man who gets moved. I feel like Kuhn will be on the 4th line also, for his PK.

I still feel like a winger will be moved, perhaps DP is an "add in" They just have too many wingers. You know Reeves is going to dress every night on the 4th line. They didn't give up what they did, for him to sit. I still think Wilson could be the man who gets moved. I feel like Kuhn will be on the 4th line also, for his PK.
- Thorny

I think that you might see 2 moved by the deadline. Probobly to get a bigger return at 3c or on D. I could still see the Pens reeling in Duchene.