Do gamblers actually watch the games?
- Scoob

No, they just looks at the #fancystats

I'm with BiggE on his thoughts about the D-corp from page 1

They definitely have too many forwards.

Even if Laughton/Leier make the team, there are still 14 forwards for 12 spots.

They have 18 forwards...McDonald and Bardeau will get sent down...leaves them at 16

then you send down Vecchione and maybe Read based on the preseason...14. Maybe you risk Leier getting claimed

They definitely have too many forwards.

Even if Laughton/Leier make the team, there are still 14 forwards for 12 spots.

They have 18 forwards...McDonald and Bardeau will get sent down...leaves them at 16

then you send down Vecchione and maybe Read based on the preseason...14. Maybe you risk Leier getting claimed
- YuenglingJagr

That's what I'd do, although I'd want Leier playing, which probably means Weise/Lehtera sitting.

They definitely have too many forwards.

Even if Laughton/Leier make the team, there are still 14 forwards for 12 spots.

They have 18 forwards...McDonald and Bardeau will get sent down...leaves them at 16

then you send down Vecchione and maybe Read based on the preseason...14. Maybe you risk Leier getting claimed
- YuenglingJagr

Sometimes as an organization you have to make a decision that is fair to the player. If they feel that Leier is an NHL player but they don't have a spot for him then they should look to move him. How long is it fair to hold a player back?

Sometimes as an organization you have to make a decision that is fair to the player. If they feel that Leier is an NHL player but they don't have a spot for him then they should look to move him. How long is it fair to hold a player back?
- MJL

Until their contract is up.

Sometimes as an organization you have to make a decision that is fair to the player. If they feel that Leier is an NHL player but they don't have a spot for him then they should look to move him. How long is it fair to hold a player back?
- MJL

Because he willingly signed a legally-binding contract to be paid an annual salary to be part of an organization without any guarantee of ice time in it.

If an NHL team wanted to pay me the minimum salary to attend training camp and then not play, I'd be giddy.

No, they just looks at the #fancystats
- jmatchett383

lol

But I was serious. I'm not a gambler so I have no idea.

Someone saw the Sherman rant about injury reports in the NFL

Yes the rating for those other leagues are driven by gambling.
- dragonoffrost

The data on that is tracked?
Do you have a source?

Sometimes as an organization you have to make a decision that is fair to the player. If they feel that Leier is an NHL player but they don't have a spot for him then they should look to move him. How long is it fair to hold a player back?
- MJL

He's kind of close to that point. He is that tweener type. I know they need those guys for depth but they have more and more youth coming. And while he was a solid prospect, the Flyers have done well to bring in more and more talent now.

I wonder if you can use a player like Leier, who could fill a role on another team to maybe move someone like Read.

He's kind of close to that point. He is that tweener type. I know they need those guys for depth but they have more and more youth coming. And while he was a solid prospect, the Flyers have done well to bring in more and more talent now.

I wonder if you can use a player like Leier, who could fill a role on another team to maybe move someone like Read.
- J35Bacher

They've been using Leier on PK too. With PEB and VDV gone, that role needs to be addressed too.

Up until that pinch, I felt like AMac was doing relatively well.

Sanheim scored, but he's still got a bit too much of that junior hockey mindset going on. I'm a fan of swagger and creativity, but kid needs to be more selective about when he flips on 4th-Forward-Mode.

Hagg makes the team if it's up to me.

Package Laughton, Leier, and a pick for PEB. Problem solved!

That's what I'd do, although I'd want Leier playing, which probably means Weise/Lehtera sitting.
- jmatchett383

Well that is really why there is an issue. It again will come down to a veteran vs a young player for ice time with a coach who has shown to prefer veteran "intangibles" over upside.

No matter who makes it, scratching two forwards is tough, especially when there is a good chance one of them will be young. The same likely happens for defense too

Up until that pinch, I felt like AMac was doing relatively well.

Sanheim scored, but he's still got a bit too much of that junior hockey mindset going on. I'm a fan of swagger and creativity, but kid needs to be more selective about when he flips on 4th-Forward-Mode.

Hagg makes the team if it's up to me.
- Tomahawk

I think he will have to learn if and when he can do it at the NHL level from the NHL

Sometimes as an organization you have to make a decision that is fair to the player. If they feel that Leier is an NHL player but they don't have a spot for him then they should look to move him. How long is it fair to hold a player back?
- MJL

I dont really think they've done anything unfair to him, nor do I really think they are holding him back. They could've brought him up sooner, sure, but waiting has complicated their decision a bit

Up until that pinch, I felt like AMac was doing relatively well.

Sanheim scored, but he's still got a bit too much of that junior hockey mindset going on. I'm a fan of swagger and creativity, but kid needs to be more selective about when he flips on 4th-Forward-Mode.

Hagg makes the team if it's up to me.
- Tomahawk

I don't think there is any doubt that Hagg makes the team. He has been the steadiest overall out of the young defenseman. I love the way he plays.

I dont really think they've done anything unfair to him, nor do I really think they are holding him back. They could've brought him up sooner, sure, but waiting has complicated their decision a bit
- YuenglingJagr

I think he's been around long enough and knocking at the door where he needs to be given a fair chance. If they don't see him as part of the future, they should move him.

Because he willingly signed a legally-binding contract to be paid an annual salary to be part of an organization without any guarantee of ice time in it.

If an NHL team wanted to pay me the minimum salary to attend training camp and then not play, I'd be giddy.
- jmatchett383

From your perspective you would be. Not from Leier's. Yea, you could look at it as he's under contract and being paid, but you can also do a young player a solid every now and then and put him in a better situation for him if he is not in the team's future plans.

From your perspective you would be. Not from Leier's. Yea, you could look at it as he's under contract and being paid, but you can also do a young player a solid every now and then and put him in a better situation for him if he is not in the team's future plans.
- MJL

I understand your point and I think it is definitely a fair one, but they did that for Bob and look how bad a move that turned out to be. I know it probably isnt the same as Bob flashed elite potential and Lier is at best middling, but I could understand the reticence.

Well that is really why there is an issue. It again will come down to a veteran vs a young player for ice time with a coach who has shown to prefer veteran "intangibles" over upside.

No matter who makes it, scratching two forwards is tough, especially when there is a good chance one of them will be young. The same likely happens for defense too
- YuenglingJagr

I think that is a little of a false narrative. First a lot of coaches will lean toward a steady veteran over a young guy. but if your comment was meant as a way to say the coach loved Vandevelde than i think your incorrect.

The Flyers were reshaping the roster. With more talent you can see they don't need a guy like Vandevelde. This year they can have a 4th line of Lehtara, laughton and raffl. It's been a while since they had a 4th line that could be counted on to maybe push offensively and not just go out and hope not to get scored on

Elliott looked good in goal and our young defensemen are looking very strong. Power play was terrible, but as Bill mentions in his article, they haven't had time to work on it. No doubt the Flyers will be better with the man advantage in the near future. Giroux seems fully recovered from his two surgeries...Claude nearly won it with a laser shot off the crossbar in OT....

Because he willingly signed a legally-binding contract to be paid an annual salary to be part of an organization without any guarantee of ice time in it.

If an NHL team wanted to pay me the minimum salary to attend training camp and then not play, I'd be giddy.
- jmatchett383

Leier would no doubt be ecstatic to make the roster, even if initially it's as the 14th forward. $70K to ride buses vs $806,588 to fly on planes.

The Flyers owe it to themselves to make room for him if he's a better option than a veteran, or if they think they could lose him on waivers. They don't owe Leier anything apart from the dollars on his contract, but he's been treated more than fairly as a prospect. Last year the second half of his season was affected by a concussion, so he was not even an call up option for the best part of two months.

I think he's been around long enough and knocking at the door where he needs to be given a fair chance. If they don't see him as part of the future, they should move him.
- MJL

It's odd to say they should move him when you don't even know if he'd be claimed on waivers.

From your perspective you would be. Not from Leier's. Yea, you could look at it as he's under contract and being paid, but you can also do a young player a solid every now and then and put him in a better situation for him if he is not in the team's future plans.
- MJL

How do you know Leier's perspective? If you asked him if he'd rather make $80K, ride buses, and play as opposed to making $800K, fly on planes, and not play, how do you 100% know his answer?

The Flyers have in no way or shape done anything wrong to Leier, and they owe it to their fans and the rest of the team to ice the roster that gives them the best chance of winning. If they feel that Leier as the 13/14th forward gives them the best chance, that is what they should do.