I highlighted the important parts. I'm pretty sure Gaunce even scored in the preseason last year.

They have been good but they have been good against 4th liners and AHL/Junior players. Boeser is heads above the rest of the Canucks prospects. I do think unless someone who needs waivers plays as well as him, he deserves a spot. JV needs to keep scoring in the AHL.
- manvanfan

I highlighted the important parts

So your going to put DD on waivers (most likely claimed) then when JV stops producing against NHL players. What do you do then?
- manvanfan

Never said put DD on waivers, just saying he JV has been more productive. It's not about JV producing, it's about working hard and playing sound defensively and playing to his strengths. As of right now, he has looked better then Goldy, Rodin, Megna, Chaput, Scotty Upshall, DD etc.....as of right now.

I highlighted the important parts
- Retinalz

I wouldn't expect you to understand anything.

So your going to put DD on waivers (most likely claimed) then when JV stops producing against NHL players. What do you do then?
- manvanfan

Then you have a bigger and faster version of Dorsett.

Why do you sometimes like to argue like (frank)U2. You take a position like you are right and everyone else is stupid or has no right to an opinion.

Then you have a bigger and faster version of Dorsett.

Why do you sometimes like to argue like (frank)U2. You take a position like you are right and everyone else is stupid or has no right to an opinion.
- Renidrag

It's not a position of right and wrong. People have their flavor of the week and next thing you know they are the in the line up. All of a sudden they suck and they should have never made the team, they are mid level AHL quality.

Before the preseason 1/2 the people in here had Virtanen as a bust because of his numbers last season, wanted to trade him. Now because he has played a few preseason games well he deserves to take a spot from a guy who has earned it for almost 10 years.

Tons of people wanted Subban to play at the end of last season. Now during pre season he's getting games and I don't see anyone saying he should be making the team.

I've seen Philip Holm need to go back to Europe, waived to the AHL. Not good enough for the ECHL, back to Europe, then making the team.

I'm sorry but it's mind blowing. The same reason why the Sedin's haven't been bought out. They aren't as bad as some would make people believe.

It's a love or hate, it really has nothing to do with how they actually play, who they play against.

BTW JV has played really well and done a lot of little things as I mentioned the other day. Do I see the level of competition he is playing against, yes. Has he "earned it". Not if you ask me. He can go down and show that he can score regularly against the competition he couldn't last season.

I wouldn't expect you to understand anything.
- manvanfan

Says someone who dismisses preseason play. Young kids looking to make the line-up only have preseason to show they deserve a chance at reg season play(unless management forces for PR reasons like JB with McCann and JV). Pre-season gets harder the longer it goes on and usually in the last 2 games of preseason teams ice most of their starting line-up. If BB and JV still show well during that time why send either down to AHL right away? Esp when there is technically room for them. As far as OJ goes, as I said if he shows will in the last 2 preseason games it would be worth giving him a few reg season games before sending him down, and if not make him a last cut giving him the whole preseason to play. You dismissed my entire post. If JV plays well against 4th liners, then technically that makes him a 4th liner. He is ready for another chance and Utica is still an option for him this season.

So your going to put DD on waivers (most likely claimed) then when JV stops producing against NHL players. What do you do then?
- manvanfan

I don't think Kaynine suggested that. Though seems like a lot of DD types are on PTO's around the NHL. One example, Glass has same rep and is on PTO with Flames. So not sure what DD's value, with high $ contract, is right now.

Need for centers seems Burmistrov is safe. He's a PP option as well. But if JV and BB earn starting spots DD can be kept as extra forward rotated in as needed.

Thus, DD is not likely to get knocked from the roster unless management has more concerns on losing other wingers to waivers and the rookies earn the right to stay.

From watching this game. I would like to see a first PP unit of

Vanek (net presence) Gagner (high in the slot) Burmy (right wall) Baertschi (left wall) Hutton (point)
- manvanfan

And they shall hence forth be named the 'bargain bin unit'.

Says someone who dismisses preseason play. Young kids looking to make the line-up only have preseason to show they deserve a chance at reg season play(unless management forces for PR reasons like JB with McCann and JV). Pre-season gets harder the longer it goes on and usually in the last 2 games of preseason teams ice most of their starting line-up. If BB and JV still show well during that time why send either down to AHL right away? Esp when there is technically room for them. As far as OJ goes, as I said if he shows will in the last 2 preseason games it would be worth giving him a few reg season games before sending him down, and if not make him a last cut giving him the whole preseason to play. You dismissed my entire post. If JV plays well against 4th liners, then technically that makes him a 4th liner. He is ready for another chance and Utica is still an option for him this season.
- Retinalz

I don't dismiss preseason, I take preseason with a grain of salt. Young players can go to the AHL, if they can and show it there first.

JB has said the defence is pretty much set. Giving OJ regular season games means that someone on the D or F would have to clear waivers. There's a chance that person gets claimed. OJ doesn't workout after 9 games. Then you have lost not 1 but 2 players. Depth is all of a sudden less.

And they shall hence forth be named the 'bargain bin unit'.
- Whiskey-Tango

I don't think Kaynine suggested that. Though seems like a lot of DD types are on PTO's around the NHL. One example, Glass has same rep and is on PTO with Flames. So not sure what DD's value, with high $ contract, is right now.

Need for centers seems Burmistrov is safe. He's a PP option as well. But if JV and BB earn starting spots DD can be kept as extra forward rotated in as needed.

Thus, DD is not likely to get knocked from the roster unless management has more concerns on losing other wingers to waivers and the rookies earn the right to stay.
- Nuck4U

DD 4 out of 8 seasons scored more points then Glass scored in his best season. Burmistrov so far has looked good. He can play center or wing helps. Saw last season with Stecher that even if you play out of your mind in the preseason, you can still be sent down for a bit. Injuries are bound to happen.

DD 4 out of 8 seasons scored more points then Glass scored in his best season. Burmistrov so far has looked good. He can play center or wing helps. Saw last season with Stecher that even if you play out of your mind in the preseason, you can still be sent down for a bit. Injuries are bound to happen.
- manvanfan

Yes injuries are bound to happen and your concerns about waivers and depth are valid.

But not sure why you are equating career scoring rate for DD? You think that is why he has value over other players in determining starters or even roster decisions?

Yes injuries are bound to happen and your concerns about waivers and depth are valid.

But not sure why you are equating career scoring rate for DD? You think that is why he has value over other players in determining starters or even roster decisions?
- Nuck4U

He's simply stating that as far as the waiver wire goes Dorset is more likely to get claimed and we need to engage in asset management or we could risk losing another Frankie Colorado ...sp

I agree with asset management.

Yes injuries are bound to happen and your concerns about waivers and depth are valid.

But not sure why you are equating career scoring rate for DD? You think that is why he has value over other players in determining starters or even roster decisions?
- Nuck4U

You said players like DD (Glass) is on a PTO. DD is a better, younger player then Glass is and has ever been. Which is identified in the scoring rate. The fact that Glass at 33 is still getting a PTO shows that players like them, still have a place in the league.

Anything interesting happen today while I was fast asleep?

I don't dismiss preseason, I take preseason with a grain of salt. Young players can go to the AHL, if they can and show it there first.

JB has said the defence is pretty much set. Giving OJ regular season games means that someone on the D or F would have to clear waivers. There's a chance that person gets claimed. OJ doesn't workout after 9 games. Then you have lost not 1 but 2 players. Depth is all of a sudden less.
- manvanfan

Holm or Biega are likely the 8th D, Holm doesn't require waivers and Who cares if we lose Biega(unlikely)

DD 4 out of 8 seasons scored more points then Glass scored in his best season. Burmistrov so far has looked good. He can play center or wing helps. Saw last season with Stecher that even if you play out of your mind in the preseason, you can still be sent down for a bit. Injuries are bound to happen.
- manvanfan

Is Granlund still out till November? I don't remember reading anything new on this development.

Is Granlund still out till November? I don't remember reading anything new on this development.
- Retinalz

I think you meant Gaunce and he's just skating no contact. Until that changes he and his bum shoulder are on the shelf.

He's simply stating that as far as the waiver wire goes Dorset is more likely to get claimed and we need to engage in asset management or we could risk losing another Frankie Colorado ...sp

I agree with asset management.
- Pres.cup

The asset management debate will come up.

https://thecanuckway.com/...layers-risky-put-waivers/

Don't think DD is part of it. But he's isn't so much a lock at this camp.

Anything interesting happen today while I was fast asleep?
- LeftCoaster

Virtaneñ has to learn to score at ahl level before he can play in nhl, we are not sure if it is Gaunce or Granlund out til November
And we need quality centres...oh yeah, we suck😁

You said players like DD (Glass) is on a PTO. DD is a better, younger player then Glass is and has ever been. Which is identified in the scoring rate. The fact that Glass at 33 is still getting a PTO shows that players like them, still have a place in the league.
- manvanfan

I regarded DD for grit, fighting and PK why the PTO type comparisons of other vets. DD is now going on other side of 30 so he's closer to the Upshalls and Glass's in value it seems.

Maybe you see DD like a JV type as an offensive threat with power game.

Guess we'll see where the chips fall on roster decisions soon. I say DD is in for now.

Virtaneñ has to learn to score at ahl level before he can play in nhl, we are not sure if it is Gaunce or Granlund out til November
And we need quality centres...oh yeah, we suck😁
- Reubenkincade

Perfect

The asset management debate will come up.

https://thecanuckway.com/...layers-risky-put-waivers/

Don't think DD is part of it. But he's isn't so much a lock at this camp.
- Nuck4U

In terms of pre season play and needing waivers. JV has outplayed Rodin but doesn't need waivers. Biega and Pedan also get to stay. Holm, McEneny go down. Boucher also gets waived. He's been given a pretty good opportunity and hasn't shown enough.

I regarded DD for grit, fighting and PK why the PTO type comparisons of other vets. DD is now going on other side of 30 so he's closer to the Upshalls and Glass's in value it seems.

Maybe you see DD like a JV type as an offensive threat with power game.

Guess we'll see where the chips fall on roster decisions soon. I say DD is in for now.
- Nuck4U

No, I didn't compare DD and JV at all. I compared DD to Glass the same as you did. I just showed you that DD is a better player then Glass.

DD in probably 3 years will be a PTO, if he is still playing.

Virtaneñ has to learn to score at ahl level before he can play in nhl, we are not sure if it is Gaunce or Granlund out til November
And we need quality centres...oh yeah, we suck😁
- Reubenkincade

Seeing Henrik not able to raise the puck more then half way up the net was ________