The Avs want a top 4 d-men to help the team right away. Sakic doesnt want project players in this deal.
- OnTheFly

Not sure Sakic has any leverage now. I really don't think any decent GM gives a (frank) what Sakic wants, it's too far gone. He's going to take what's given to him & be happy or I'm sure Duchene will make things a little hard.

Speaking of which, the tea leaves all say Duchene 'wants' to play on the Pens.

he isnt going anywhere, the KHL thing was never a real threat
- DDM-Coga

I sure hope so!

it took the Oilers over a year to get an Adam Larsson level Dman and it cost them Hall. Look at Drouin situation with the Lightning, that was a year and a half long saga of a player not reporting to playing to finally getting his wish being traded

Maybe just maybe making trades in the NHL of that value isnt as easy as we all waste too much time on the internet talking about
- DDM-Coga

I don't think you can compare either of those players to Duchene.

It wasn't publicised Hall was going to be traded or Larsson was up for a trade. Different circumstances.

Drouin I believe was a cap casualty. Again different circumstances.

Sakic has put the big For Sale sign on Duchene & buyers have looked & offered what they wanted to offer. Now the For Sale sign has been taken down & Duchene is sick & tired (in my opinion), of people walking all over his front lawn for no reason. He's a pro so he will play, but that doesn't mean he can't be pissed at Sakic for ruining his life for 6 months.

lupul, kessel's caphit and a 2009 4th for duchene
- Tumbleweed

If you have a player out there and nobody will give you what your asking price is, then odds are pretty good that you are over-valuing your player.
- BINGO!

This is business 101!

It doesn't matter what Sakic, the fans or the owners THINK he is worth, it is what other GM's are willing to pay that will determine his value.

I don't think you can compare either of those players to Duchene.

It wasn't publicised Hall was going to be traded or Larsson was up for a trade. Different circumstances.

Drouin I believe was a cap casualty. Again different circumstances.

Sakic has put the big For Sale sign on Duchene & buyers have looked & offered what they wanted to offer. Now the For Sale sign has been taken down & Duchene is sick & tired (in my opinion), of people walking all over his front lawn for no reason. He's a pro so he will play, but that doesn't mean he can't be pissed at Sakic for ruining his life for 6 months.
- Aussiepenguin

Drouin requested to be traded, didnt report to the AHL, then reported, came back the next year playing full season in NHL all while Yzerman was open to trading him, ultimately getting the price he wanted..I dont see how thats a stretch.

He was only a cap causality bc the bad blood was there and he was the one less likely to take any discounts to make it work.

Thats a common misconception, that he put a For Sale sign on duchene. He was not shopping Duchene, he said it himself, and athoer beat writers have said the same thing, he was willing to listen to offers. People make it sound like he was trying to move him like a cancer for months.

Ruining his life is a stretch. Hes a professional paid to play a game, if he cant take a little rumour mill action, well thats his issue not Sakics

Not sure Sakic has any leverage now. I really don't think any decent GM gives a (frank) what Sakic wants, it's too far gone. He's going to take what's given to him & be happy or I'm sure Duchene will make things a little hard.

Speaking of which, the tea leaves all say Duchene 'wants' to play on the Pens.
- Aussiepenguin

Olli maatta is hot garbage, you got nothing

Lets just look at Rants and Yak



Thats 30 goal chemistry
- DDM-Coga

Rants "Hey remember when you 1st overall?!"

Yak "Haha, I concussed and no have hockey sense"

Yak "What we laugh at? I forget, skate fast!"

Olli maatta is hot garbage, you got nothing
- DDM-Coga

lol.

pens fans always trying to dump their junk players like maata and pouliet.


moore, marincin and polak's pto for duchene

Olli maatta is hot garbage, you got nothing
- DDM-Coga

Maatta?? I fart in your general direction. Pouliot & a pick (& you WILL like it! )

Rants "Hey remember when you 1st overall?!"

Yak "Haha, I concussed and no have hockey sense"

Yak "What we laugh at? I forget, skate fast!"
- AdamFrench

We Win Canada

lol.

pens fans always trying to dump their junk players like maata and pouliet.


moore, marincin and polak's pto for duchene
- Tumbleweed

LUCKY

LUCKY
- DDM-Coga

i know you wanted that bad fatman.

a sure 2nd at the deadline.

does this look like a man who isnt happy



Oh wait...
- DDM-Coga

Thats bullpoop and you know it

Travis Hamonic and a pick isnt a good hockey trade. Its heres a Dman that hasnt played a full season in the NHL bc of Injuries thats older than Duchene and a draft pick. How does that help them long term. Cross their fingers they draft a PK SUbban with the pick?
- DDM-Coga

Long term as in they're going to have his services for 75% for the next 2 years and get nothing in return?

does this look like a man who isnt happy



Oh wait...
- DDM-Coga

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Drouin requested to be traded, didnt report to the AHL, then reported, came back the next year playing full season in NHL all while Yzerman was open to trading him, ultimately getting the price he wanted..I dont see how thats a stretch.

He was only a cap causality bc the bad blood was there and he was the one less likely to take any discounts to make it work.

Thats a common misconception, that he put a For Sale sign on duchene. He was not shopping Duchene, he said it himself, and athoer beat writers have said the same thing, he was willing to listen to offers. People make it sound like he was trying to move him like a cancer for months.

Ruining his life is a stretch. Hes a professional paid to play a game, if he cant take a little rumour mill action, well thats his issue not Sakics
- DDM-Coga

In the end I would bet the Yman would have wanted to keep Drouin if he could have. Drouin said he retracted the trade request & wanted to stay in Tampa.

I realise there's probably a lot of poop written that isn't true, but at the end of the day Duchene is being shopped & will be traded if Sakic gets a deal he is happy with. That wouldn't make me too excited if I was Duchene not knowing where the (frank) will be home this season. Just a poopty situation for him unfortunately. It is a business, but there are good ways & bad ways of doing things - this is heading down the bottom of the bad way.

lol.

pens fans always trying to dump their junk players like maata and pouliet.


moore, marincin and polak's pto for duchene
- Tumbleweed

I wasn't proposing a trade at all, only stating Duchene wants in on some of that Penguin love.......

Coga threw the deal into play. We won't be trading Maatta without another Dman coming back at the moment.

Edit: You were joking...................penguin love is the real!

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- Symba007

Generally not a big Craig Button fan.. but what he said about the Avs and the Duchene situation was awesome. Duchene needs to show up, play and live up to Sakic's asking price if he really wants to get moved. Sakic has set what he wants for Duchene and if other teams truely want him, they can pay up or at least give a reasonable offer with the right pieces. No more of this BS "future package" deals or over age defensemen. Offer that young defensemen with top minute potential or don't bother making a trade. Teams and fans are shocked to hear Sakic hasn't bit on these offside offers but in reality why would he? If he isn't receiving the right pieces keep Duchene and let his play dictate where he goes this season.

Generally not a big Craig Button fan.. but what he said about the Avs and the Duchene situation was awesome. Duchene needs to show up, play and live up to Sakic's asking price if he really wants to get moved. Sakic has set what he wants for Duchene and if other teams truely want him, they can pay up or at least give a reasonable offer with the right pieces. No more of this BS "future package" deals or over age defensemen. Offer that young defensemen with top minute potential or don't bother making a trade. Teams and fans are shocked to hear Sakic hasn't bit on these offside offers but in reality why would he? If he isn't receiving the right pieces keep Duchene and let his play dictate where he goes this season.
- Szela93

exactly. No more of this well he only got 40 points last year crap, if other teams thought he was a 40 point producer, they wouldnt have been checking back and engaging in trade talks for him for the past 8 months either.

Sakic is guilty for not being aggressive enough but lets not pretend like other GMS havent been trying to pull fast ones on the avs either.

exactly. No more of this well he only got 40 points last year crap, if other teams thought he was a 40 point producer, they wouldnt have been checking back and engaging in trade talks for him for the past 8 months either.

Sakic is guilty for not being aggressive enough but lets not pretend like other GMS havent been trying to pull fast ones on the avs either.
- DDM-Coga

Sakic definitely isn't perfect in this scenario, neither is Duchene nor are the other GMs after him. The Avs know Duchene can be a 60-70+ point player and play Olympic calibre hockey. Most GMs (the smart ones anyways) know this as well. Of coarse there trade offers are going to be based off of that one bad season and why wouldn't they? But for people to say Sakic is a poor GM and has completely blown this situation could not be more wrong. Teams are just trying to low ball. Can't blame Sakic for waiting for the right offer when he still has a top centre on a cap friendly deal locked up for 2 more seasons. If someone is seriously after Duchene then step up to the plate and give up your top asset for our top asset.

Duchene to Chicago?

Hawks have unfinished business with Vegas (surplus of Dmen and owing a player to be named later), Hossa and Roszival to LTIR = $6MM in cap space......could happen.

Duchene to Chicago?

Hawks have unfinished business with Vegas (surplus of Dmen and owing a player to be named later), Hossa and Roszival to LTIR = $6MM in cap space......could happen.
- Return of the Roar

you guys don't have the D to get the job done and its silly to move DeBrincat for Duchene so there is legit no fit there

Sakic definitely isn't perfect in this scenario, neither is Duchene nor are the other GMs after him. The Avs know Duchene can be a 60-70+ point player and play Olympic calibre hockey. Most GMs (the smart ones anyways) know this as well. Of coarse there trade offers are going to be based off of that one bad season and why wouldn't they? But for people to say Sakic is a poor GM and has completely blown this situation could not be more wrong. Teams are just trying to low ball. Can't blame Sakic for waiting for the right offer when he still has a top centre on a cap friendly deal locked up for 2 more seasons. If someone is seriously after Duchene then step up to the plate and give up your top asset for our top asset.
- Szela93

I don't think in this day & cap age GM's are going to gamble on a player that will cost that much. Why would they? What happens if he doesn't realise this 'potential'?? Imagine trading away a young D stud for Duchene then the young stud becomes a great player & Duchene stays in that 40 point range??? How will the Hawks feel if Toews can't get his mojo back?

I think Sakic is trying to be Shero in the Hall trade by trading away the 'lesser' player for a team in need, for the better player. Unfortunately he's trying to do that from the wrong side (being the one that wants the trade trying to push his terms on others - Shero simply accommodated Costanza's need).