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- DDM-Coga

We have the same problem. A GM who is afraid to make big moves. We'll have a big problem signing Karlsson next year I think

We have the same problem. A GM who is afraid to make big moves. We'll have a big problem signing Karlsson next year I think
- Maverick1818

we have a GM that loves to lose big trades

We have the same problem. A GM who is afraid to make big moves. We'll have a big problem signing Karlsson next year I think
- Maverick1818

You have a cheap ownwr as well that cant keep his big mouth shut

Problem is that Sakic is asking way to much
- Maverick1818

Maybe the problem is that Sakic doesn't get a good offer to move Duchene. Nobody really knows what it has been offered to him so far. I don't understand all the bad talks on Sakic.

Maybe the problem is that Sakic doesn't get a good offer to move Duchene. Nobody really knows what it has been offered to him so far. I don't understand all the bad talks on Sakic.
- OnTheFly

so the demand for Duchene is low if the offers are not good.

You have a cheap ownwr as well that cant keep his big mouth shut
- DDM-Coga

That too, but he's entertaining to listen to from time to time lol

No, they did that with ROR and are mocked every day since then. The deal needs to be done but I wont fault sakic to the point of calling for his head that he actually is holding out for fair value for his player and not bending to public opinion and pressure from Arm Chair GMs
- DDM-Coga

taking freakerenko back was a mistake, but the return for ROR seems fine and a typical quality for quantity trade.

it's not that he won't take back fair value. a package of quality picks/prospects should be fair return.

with losing stastny, ROR and now likely duchene, it seems like they should be looking for mini-rebuild.

Maybe the problem is that Sakic doesn't get a good offer to move Duchene. Nobody really knows what it has been offered to him so far. I don't understand all the bad talks on Sakic.
- OnTheFly

If you have a player out there and nobody will give you what your asking price is, then odds are pretty good that you are over-valuing your player.

taking freakerenko back was a mistake, but the return for ROR seems fine and a typical quality for quantity trade.

it's not that he won't take back fair value. a package of quality picks/prospects should be fair return.

with losing stastny, ROR and now likely duchene, it seems like they should be looking for mini-rebuild.
- Tumbleweed

Grigs was for Roy, Sabres threw him in...yet there has been so many articles from guys saying he was the main piece in the trade...frustrating for Avs fans to see that stuff.

Stastny sucks the most, but cant fault him for taking 7m over the avs 6.6m offer. Cant match or over pay him to keep him at the time.

They dont need to tear it down, thats why they dont want a full futures package and wait 5 years to see the impact of it like they will have to do with the ROR trade.
Lots of young pieces 22 and under right now. If they can fill in a couple key spots of already semi established NHL players in a duchene deal, they will be ok. A full rebuild would suck bc its saying that MacKinnon, Rants, Zads, Jost, arent enough to build around...which isnt true

does this look like a man who isnt happy



Oh wait...
- DDM-Coga

To NYR: Duchene and 3rd rounder

TO COL: Marc Staal, Lias Andersson, Sean Day and 1st rounder.

Nice doing business with you.

If you have a player out there and nobody will give you what your asking price is, then odds are pretty good that you are over-valuing your player.
- BINGO!

it took the Oilers over a year to get an Adam Larsson level Dman and it cost them Hall. Look at Drouin situation with the Lightning, that was a year and a half long saga of a player not reporting to playing to finally getting his wish being traded

Maybe just maybe making trades in the NHL of that value isnt as easy as we all waste too much time on the internet talking about

The focus needs to be on signing zadarov. If they lose him that is an enormous disaster.

We have the same problem. A GM who is afraid to make big moves. We'll have a big problem signing Karlsson next year I think
- Maverick1818

Funny, I think we may have the same GM.

The focus needs to be on signing zadarov. If they lose him that is an enormous disaster.
- Thunder_daddy

he isnt going anywhere, the KHL thing was never a real threat

When Sakic was put in charge of player personnel, this was the roster the Avalanche had:

https://www.hockey-refere...e.com/teams/COL/2013.html

There's been a lot of turnover, but the team today sure doesn't look poised to be much better than that one was this season.

They were great his first year in charge, then okay, then .500, then historically bad. This season? Probably a .400 team again.

When Sakic was put in charge of player personnel, this was the roster the Avalanche had:

https://www.hockey-refere...e.com/teams/COL/2013.html

There's been a lot of turnover, but the team today sure doesn't look poised to be much better than that one was this season.

They were great his first year in charge, then okay, then .500, then historically bad. This season? Probably a .400 team again.
- BINGO!

that is fake news.
http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...valanche-general-manager/

Sakic wasnt offically GM until 2014

That roster and what was locked in was the fault of Patrick Roy who was acting as GM during the 1st season of their Era. The Reto Berra, Brad Stuart, Max Talbot, Briere trades. Long term extentions to Nick Holden, Stuart, Mitchell, Cody McLeod...all Roy influenced, he had the power...then when Sakic was promoted to GM thats when the tention and split bw them started.

This is what Av fans get annoyed with too. Sakic gets all the blame no matter what, evern when he wasnt doing the job its still his fault

it took the Oilers over a year to get an Adam Larsson level Dman and it cost them Hall. Look at Drouin situation with the Lightning, that was a year and a half long saga of a player not reporting to playing to finally getting his wish being traded

Maybe just maybe making trades in the NHL of that value isnt as easy as we all waste too much time on the internet talking about
- DDM-Coga

lupul, kessel's caphit and a 2009 4th for duchene

Only so much ya can do when u treat your star player like poop. Joe Sakic runs a great poop show, I give him that.

Only so much ya can do when u treat your star player like poop. Joe Sakic runs a great poop show, I give him that.
- rawwdogg88

Duchene is the Avs star. Mackinnon is.

Lets just look at Rants and Yak



Thats 30 goal chemistry

that is fake news.
http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...valanche-general-manager/

Sakic wasnt offically GM until 2014

That roster and what was locked in was the fault of Patrick Roy who was acting as GM during the 1st season of their Era. The Reto Berra, Brad Stuart, Max Talbot, Briere trades. Long term extentions to Nick Holden, Stuart, Mitchell, Cody McLeod...all Roy influenced, he had the power...then when Sakic was promoted to GM thats when the tention and split bw them started.

This is what Av fans get annoyed with too. Sakic gets all the blame no matter what, evern when he wasnt doing the job its still his fault
- DDM-Coga

I was under the impression that it was kind of hard to tell who was in charge of what, given that Sakic was in charge of Player Personnel...

I mean, this is from that article you linked...

Last season, despite not having the title of GM, Sakic still had final say on hockey personnel decision, as Adrian Dater of the Denver Post pointed out Friday

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Only so much ya can do when u treat your star player like poop. Joe Sakic runs a great poop show, I give him that.
- rawwdogg88

He actually has done a decent job the past 8 months despite this however its too easy for people to keep on saying this same narrative instead of looking at what they are trying to do going fwd with this teams roster and prospect pipeline

I was under the impression that it was kind of hard to tell who was in charge of what, given that Sakic was in charge of Player Personnel...

I mean, this is from that article you linked...

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- BINGO!

In position uyes he did have final say but there is other quotes...i dont want to have to search it to prove my point but Sakic said he relied on Roy a lot for his guidance bc he had more experience in hockey ops.

Roy influenced, Sakic approved but lets be serious, it wasnt Joes idea to trade and sign all these french canadian vets and draft from the QMJHL almost exclusively in the early years. Roy heavily locked this franchise into his own ego bc he thought he was on the right track after their lucky 1st season. They bought into the Roy Coach hype and got burned

Roy has a lot of blame to go with this teams issues today but hey he quit bc he didnt get his way either but its Joes fault that everythign this team has to deal with.

does this look like a man who isnt happy



Oh wait...
- DDM-Coga

bruh.... I"m seriously dying over this of laughter

Is there a possibility that Duchene and Sakic can work it out? If the offers are good right now, call Duchene into the office and say "Hey, we want you to stay in Colorado. Let's have a heck of a year with no pressures and let's see what happens. Loosen up out there and have fun."