Tootoo will be on the team, Hinostroza won't be. Debincrat could be the first call-up but Hayden might be.
- DarthKane

Why would Tootoo be on the team? He brings nothing to the table.

He's 34 years old and has scored 36 points in the last 5 years.

I would not count out Vince Hinostroza. If the Hawks want to get younger and faster .. well he is just that. Training in the offseason with Hartman and Kane, working on his skating ... edge work. I would like to see him make it since he is a local kid, but may the best player win the available spots. Still don't understand the "Jurco love" He is at a cross road in his career. Needs to win a spot or be a player that is good in the minors.
- chuckdahammer

It's not about Jurco love, it's about the fact that the Hawks gave up a 3rd round pick for him and will want to give him a shot before giving up on him.

Ideally, if Debrincat is NHL ready and can fill the 2LW role the Hawks are in much better shape. This would allow for a 3rd line of Sharp-Schmaltz-Hartman, which is pretty damn good.

Why would Tootoo be on the team? He brings nothing to the table.

He's 34 years old and has scored 36 points in the last 5 years.
- BINGO!

Because Q likes having a tough guy on the team.

First 10 games (at least)

Saad - Toews - Panik
ADB - AA - Kane
Wingels - Schmaltz - Hartman
Bouma - Kero - Hayden
Hinostroza/22

Keith - Murphy
Seabrook - Kempny
Forsling - Ruuta
Franson, Oesterle (keeping 8 d)

Crawford
Forsberg
- jt19

Sharp?

Sharp?
- breadbag

damn, forgot him... LOL (edited and updated original post)

Because Q likes having a tough guy on the team.
- DarthKane

Plus guys like Toews and Kane like Tootoo on the team. Keith and Seabrook endorse Tootoo as well being summer workout buddies or something like that.

(This isn't directed at you Darth) Maybe there are advanced stats that show Tootoo is worthless, but he was the least of the Hawks problems last year, IMHO. I also don't buy the argument that nobody is afraid of him. Tootoo is pound for pound tough as nails regardless of whether or not he wins fights. Tootoo shouldn't be a regular, but he does bring some sort of value that his teammates and coaches appreciate.

And I think Predators d-man Bitteto wouldn't say Tootoo is washed up. In the 1st or 2nd game of the regular season last year, Bitteto got a blow to the ear by Tootoo which put him on the DL for quite a while.

Plus guys like Toews and Kane like Tootoo on the team. Keith and Seabrook endorse Tootoo as well being summer workout buddies or something like that.

(This isn't directed at you Darth) Maybe there are advanced stats that show Tootoo is worthless, but he was the least of the Hawks problems last year, IMHO. I also don't buy the argument that nobody is afraid of him. Tootoo is pound for pound tough as nails regardless of whether or not he wins fights. Tootoo shouldn't be a regular, but he does bring some sort of value that his teammates and coaches appreciate.

And I think Predators d-man Bitteto wouldn't say Tootoo is washed up. In the 1st or 2nd game of the regular season last year, Bitteto got a blow to the ear by Tootoo which put him on the DL for quite a while.
- AEL_Fox

I just don't see the point of having guys like that around. If what you're doing isn't getting the puck on your team's stick, what you're doing probably isn't worth anything.

I just don't see the point of having guys like that around. If what you're doing isn't getting the puck on your team's stick, what you're doing probably isn't worth anything.
- BINGO!

Then there's no reason to have Bouma on your proposed roster if puck possession is important. Tootoo has at least proven to be effective in his energy-line role, statistically. I'd prefer neither be in the lines, though.

Then there's no reason to have Bouma on your proposed roster if puck possession is important. Tootoo has at least proven to be effective in his energy-line role, statistically. I'd prefer neither be in the lines, though.
- L_B_R

I vote for this!!!

Saad-Toews-Kane
Sharp-Anisimov-Hartman
Wingels-Schmaltz-Panik
Bouma-Kero-Tootoo/Jurco/XX


Keith-Murphy
Kempny-Seabs
Forsling-Franson
Osterle-Rutta
Rosival

Crawford
Forsberg

I would not count out Vince Hinostroza. If the Hawks want to get younger and faster .. well he is just that. Training in the offseason with Hartman and Kane, working on his skating ... edge work. I would like to see him make it since he is a local kid, but may the best player win the available spots. Still don't understand the "Jurco love" He is at a cross road in his career. Needs to win a spot or be a player that is good in the minors.
- chuckdahammer

I agree on Vinny would take him and his speed and heart over Jurco every time . Jurco has the tools ,just needs to get some confidence back ,they destroyed that in Detroit . Vinny on a line with Hartman and Schmaltz ,had some very good chemistry last year ..

I agree on Vinny would take him and his speed and heart over Jurco every time . Jurco has the tools ,just needs to get some confidence back ,they destroyed that in Detroit . Vinny on a line with Hartman and Schmaltz ,had some very good chemistry last year ..
- oldduffman

Would Jurco be willing to emulate Hossa. Perhaps he needs to feel his job is secure and then we might see some of his skill potential come to the forefront. On Vinny I would certainly entertain rotating him and Hayden. Hayden is the one whom this hurts most, as he would benefit more from regular TOI in Rockford. One day Luis might challenge for a job. But Luis appears to be more the offensive scoring type. Luis and Vinny: two Chicago kids hope to win a spot, yet probably a different role for each.

Then there's no reason to have Bouma on your proposed roster if puck possession is important. Tootoo has at least proven to be effective in his energy-line role, statistically. I'd prefer neither be in the lines, though.
- L_B_R

Bouma is a shot blocking beast and can kill penalties They would like to get some PK help from the bottom lines. Can't put it all on Saad-Toews-Anisimov

I agree on Vinny would take him and his speed and heart over Jurco every time . Jurco has the tools ,just needs to get some confidence back ,they destroyed that in Detroit . Vinny on a line with Hartman and Schmaltz ,had some very good chemistry last year ..
- oldduffman

I understand the "jurco love" now as an earlier poster mentioned they gave up a third rounder form him and would like him to succeed, makes sense. The line that played really well last year, when Toews was out with injury was the triple H line of
HOSSA --- HINOSTROZA --- HARTMAN. Schmaltz may have had a cup of coffee on a line with those guys, but nothing substancial

The veteran bodies and all the kids, should provide for some good competition for roster spots. One thing for sure, no rookie will be forced into a role before they are ready. If they show they are ready, they will gain a roster spot. No turn style of wingers on the Toews line this year. Do have to find Panarin replacement on Kane line but there are several options ...... and all better options than in years past

Please post your 22 man roster.
- -Doh-

23

Saad, Toews, Panik, Sharp, AA, Kane,
Wingels, Schmaltz, Hartman, Bouma, Kero, Jurco, Mitchell

Keith, Seabrook,
Kempny, Murphy, Franson, Rutta, Forsling, Stuart

Crawford
Forsberg

23

Saad, Toews, Panik, Sharp, AA, Kane,
Wingels, Schmaltz, Hartman, Bouma, Kero, Jurco, Mitchell

Keith, Seabrook,
Kempny, Murphy, Franson, Rutta, Gustaffson, Stuart

Crawford
Forsberg
- walleyeb1

I don't see Forsling not being on the starting roster. He has the "Get of of Rockford Free" card and would end back in Sweden.

I don't see Forsling not being on the starting roster. He has the "Get of of Rockford Free" card and would end back in Sweden.
- DarthKane

Right switch Gustafsson to Forsling.

Why would Tootoo be on the team? He brings nothing to the table.

He's 34 years old and has scored 36 points in the last 5 years.
- BINGO!

He looks better sitting in the press box most games than a kid who should be taking a regular shift in Rockford.

Right switch Gustafsson to Forsling.
- walleyeb1

Could Gus ever become a Duncan Keith lite? No way? Gus was used in all situations, maximum TOI by Dent last year. But he is such a weakling. He makes great outlet passes too.

I just don't see the point of having guys like that around. If what you're doing isn't getting the puck on your team's stick, what you're doing probably isn't worth anything.
- BINGO!

So you are saying his value to the team on ice does not relate or makes no difference if someone else with more ability was in his stead? Sure makes sense on paper. But the locker room is better with Tootoo around. Solution: an extra player. He is a good soldier who won't put up a storm of protest. Long season. Injuries. We could do well to retain a veteran like him. Rather him than Roxy
I understand Rozy has certain aspect, his reads etc al which JJ has mentioned. But NOW missing so long with ankle and concussion issues to deal with.....i suppose he plays and we see if gramma skates better.

Bouma is a shot blocking beast and can kill penalties They would like to get some PK help from the bottom lines. Can't put it all on Saad-Toews-Anisimov
- chuckdahammer

Bouma blocks shots because he rarely has the puck. His transition game is poor, so he can't flip the ice on his own. Can't blame his quality of teammate as they've been pretty middle 6 quality, and he's had a negative impact on almost everyone he's played with over the years. He's also been ineffective on he PK for years - team always has less shots against and goals against with him off the ice. Bouma is one of the least effective PKers in the league in preventing shots/scoring chances/goals for those who played at least a minute/game over the last 3 seasons.

Maybe in a different system, he can be effective. Q has been able to do that before and I would looooove that. I want the most effective guys on the team possible, so I hope Bouma ends up being amazing in the role he was brought in to play. But I'm not holding my breath because that's not been the case.

So you are saying his value to the team on ice does not relate or makes no difference if someone else with more ability was in his stead? Sure makes sense on paper. But the locker room is better with Tootoo around. Solution: an extra player. He is a good soldier who won't put up a storm of protest. Long season. Injuries. We could do well to retain a veteran like him. Rather him than Roxy
I understand Rozy has certain aspect, his reads etc al which JJ has mentioned. But NOW missing so long with ankle and concussion issues to deal with.....i suppose he plays and we see if gramma skates better.
- jhawk59

I'd actually be surprised if Rozy is able to pass the camp physical.

I'd actually be surprised if Rozy is able to pass the camp physical.
- walleyeb1

Doesn't mean he will not play later in the season?

Could Gus ever become a Duncan Keith lite? No way? Gus was used in all situations, maximum TOI by Dent last year. But he is such a weakling. He makes great outlet passes too.
- jhawk59

I'm a Gus fan. he did well in his first few NHL games, but kind of fell apart after that. A lot of that is at the feet of the Q/Kitchen defensive system of pass and posses, rather than carry the puck, then pass. Gus is excellent carrying the puck out, like Leddy was. I wouldn't be super shocked if Gus gets a decent shot in Ulfie's new system, but the blue line is crowded this training camp.