The Gretzky I remember during those 4 cups in the mid 80's had no equal in my memory, probably because I hated the guy. He was better then any guy on the ice night in and night out for so many years. Yes he had a HOF supporting cast but it really goes beyond that. To this day I never saw a guy dominate and make it look so easy.....there was a few years that Lemieux raised his game to that sort of level that reminded me of the Gretzky prime years. When Lindros got going he did raise his game to a level on most nights where by he definitely set himself above the rest but he never had that consistency to it to be considered in Gretzky's or Lemieux's level. Again Eric's down fall was that he was more then willing to have that physical dimension to his game that very rarely is seen. That's just my opinion...and I consider my self a huge Lindros supporter.
- landros 2

I agree completely.

stolarz surgery? wtf?
- hammarby31

Yeesh

Wonder if they could bring Sandstrom over? Not sure they would loan him from contract, but would like to see him getting AHL quality shots.
- juiced

I wouldn't do that. Sandstrom has said he wants the year in Sweden as a starter and also to work with his coach over there to develop further. I'm good with that.

I'm not comparing teams, I'm comparing the two players. In my opinion at their best, Gretzky was significantly better than Lindros was. Lindros was a dominant player and best package of physicality and skill that I ever saw play. However both Gretzky and Lemieux were significantly better. Gretzky's numbers and production was simply insane. Regardless of what "excuses" are made and what he had around him. When he was on the ice it was a goal waiting to happen. A 3 or 4 point game was pretty common.
- MJL

You just added to my argument. 3 or 4 point games were common because of the style of play and supporting casts. Mario and Gretzky were two of the best players of all time no matter when they played. The era in Which Lindros played held down his numbers. Like I said before mario was the best I saw play, and I saw him plenty. My OPINION is that if he or Lindros were healthy and played in the same cicumstances they would have comparable numbers.

I wouldn't do that. Sandstrom has said he wants the year in Sweden as a starter and also to work with his coach over there to develop further. I'm good with that.
- dragonoffrost

Any particular rationale? He already is in a time share in Sweden.

Im just hoping for an avenue to accelerated development, hell consider it similar to the 8 pro game then back to junior approach.

wrote this as u were editing ur response, but he is in a full on time share.

There is no comparison. Lindros would run over people and than score.
- SuperSchennBros

Which is why I said "closest."

Lindros was the most dominant physical force I have ever seen play hockey. He could do everything. Skate, shoot, score, pass, hit, fight, faceoffs.

He even sounded different when he skated, like his skates were GOUGING the ice.

He was a pleasure to watch and it was neat to see the crowd SWELL every time he got on the ice because the people either stood up or leaned forward in their seats. The noise level would rise as people started talking about him doing this or doing that with some ohh or ahh.....

A truly generational player in every sense of the word. I can only imagine what kind of numbers he would put up if he played today without all the clutching and grabbing and much more sophisticated concussion protocols.

Every player in the league owes him a personal debt of gratitude for taking that beach basically on his own.

I'm not comparing teams, I'm comparing the two players. In my opinion at their best, Gretzky was significantly better than Lindros was. Lindros was a dominant player and best package of physicality and skill that I ever saw play. However both Gretzky and Lemieux were significantly better. Gretzky's numbers and production was simply insane. Regardless of what "excuses" are made and what he had around him. When he was on the ice it was a goal waiting to happen. A 3 or 4 point game was pretty common.
- MJL

Gretzky wins (to me) over Lindros because he was the smartest player to ever play the game. He was 2 steps ahead of everyone else, he redefined the game (curling at the blue line and setting up behind the opponent's net). Hell, the guy would use reflections off of the glass to see who was behind him. He was next to impossible to hit cleanly. He also didn't have all of those HOFers when he tore up the WJC as a 16-year-old or when he tied for the scoring title as a rookie.

I love Lindros, he's my favorite player of all time, and a truly unique talent. But to me, Wayne Gretzky was the better player.

Good thing we have another truckload of thoughts and prayers headed to Florida. It was a great success in Houston. I think I have a picture of it...


- StepfordSam

Well, you're quite the douchebag.

Any particular rationale? He already is in a time share in Sweden.

Im just hoping for an avenue to accelerated development, hell consider it similar to the 8 pro game then back to junior approach.

wrote this as u were editing ur response, but he is in a full on time share.
- juiced

He was to be #1 with the other guy being his backup this season was what I last heard when they originally announced he needed surgery too but would have a short recovery time.

I wouldn't do that. Sandstrom has said he wants the year in Sweden as a starter and also to work with his coach over there to develop further. I'm good with that.
- dragonoffrost

They can't bring him over now. He'll be in Sweden till his SHL season ends.

It sucks Stolie got hurt again, but Steve Mason had multiple meniscus surgeries on his left knee in the offseason prior to his Calder winning rookie campaign as a 20 year old, so it's not the end of the world.

other knee too....fuuuuuck
- YuenglingJagr

Guess he wanted a matching pair

They can't bring him over now. He'll be in Sweden till his SHL season ends.

It sucks Stolie got hurt again, but Steve Mason had multiple meniscus surgeries on his left knee in the offseason prior to his Calder winning rookie campaign as a 20 year old, so it's not the end of the world.
- Feanor

As long as it's not a full tear it should be quick recovery. Hell I walk on two partially torn menisci. But I'm not a athlete by any means. Doc said once the pain gets too hard to work on then she'll do the surgery.

They can't bring him over now. He'll be in Sweden till his SHL season ends.

It sucks Stolie got hurt again, but Steve Mason had multiple meniscus surgeries on his left knee in the offseason prior to his Calder winning rookie campaign as a 20 year old, so it's not the end of the world.
- Feanor

It doesn't change much for the future, just crowds the field a bit more for next year and probably helps Lyon a bit!

Guess he wanted a matching pair
- Scoob

a pair of knees?

As long as it's not a full tear it should be quick recovery. Hell I walk on two partially torn menisci. But I'm not a athlete by any means. Doc said once the pain gets too hard to work on then she'll do the surgery.
- dragonoffrost

My buddy tore his ACL and just completed a stem cell injection regiment...fully healed

http://www.csnphilly.com/...gas-politics-kept-him-ahl

So when Neuvirth inevitably gets hurt we'll get a look at the Elliott/Lyon tandem.

Oh well, at least Elliott is durable (he said with fingers crossed and while knocking on wood)

Seems like the Flyers will be carrying about a third of his $725,000 cap hit to start the season. He only played seven games, but he was on the roster for about 60 days.

https://www.capfriendly.com/faq#soir

What is the season opening injured reserve (SOIR)?
If a player who is on a two-way contract becomes disabled during training-camp or who reports to training-camp disabled as the result of a hockey related injury incurred during the off-season, they can be placed on season-opening injured reserve, to possibly obtain cap relief. It is notable that the SOIR equations are not the same as the daily rate equations in CBA 15.6, which is instead used to calculate the players daily salary (as opposed to cap hit).

Full Cap Hit
Players who are on a one-way contract, or players on a two-way contract who accrued 50 or more NHL games in the previous season count fully against the cap hit. Teams can opt to place these players on LTIR to obtain cap-relief (LTIR FAQ).

Discounted Cap Hit
Players on a two-way contract, who accrued 1-49 NHL games in the previous season, count against the teams cap hit; however, the reduced cap hit is calculated as follows:
Multiply the players NHL cap hit by the total accrued NHL days in the previous season, and divide by the total number of days in the previous season (Ex: 186 for 2014-15)

When a player is reactivated to the active roster, their cap hit reverts back to the full rate

Seems like the Flyers will be carrying about a third of his $725,000 cap hit to start the season. He only played seven games, but he was on the roster for about 60 days.

https://www.capfriendly.com/faq#soir
- Feanor

He was on emergency loan for a lot of it, which I don't believe accrues days

Seems like the Flyers will be carrying about a third of his $725,000 cap hit to start the season. He only played seven games, but he was on the roster for about 60 days.

https://www.capfriendly.com/faq#soir
- Feanor

Was it reported that it was "hockey-related?"

You just added to my argument. 3 or 4 point games were common because of the style of play and supporting casts. Mario and Gretzky were two of the best players of all time no matter when they played. The era in Which Lindros played held down his numbers. Like I said before mario was the best I saw play, and I saw him plenty. My OPINION is that if he or Lindros were healthy and played in the same cicumstances they would have comparable numbers.
- twotoekenn

I'm talking 3 or 4 point games for one player, not for the league as a whole. I disagree that Lindros would have put up similar numbers as Lemieux did in the same circumstances. Both Gretzky and Lemieux were both significantly better skill wise offensively. Lindros was no slouch but he was not on their level. My OPINION.

Was it reported that it was "hockey-related?"
- jmatchett383

No, but the Flyers press release said he was training at the Flyers facility to rehab from the last injury

Was it reported that it was "hockey-related?"
- jmatchett383

It seems likely that it was. If he actually hurt himself rock climbing or bungee jumping, I'm sure we'll find that out.

https://www.nhl.com/flyer...elphia-flyers/c-290929032

Stolarz spent the summer rehabbing at the Flyers practice facility

It seems likely that it was. If he actually hurt himself rock climbing or bungee jumping, I'm sure we'll find that out.

https://www.nhl.com/flyer...elphia-flyers/c-290929032
- Feanor

Dekanich signed by the Phantoms today...RIP Stolie