Like I said last year, to me Matthews > McDavid.

Not in points, but in overall games and eventual outcome in SC.

Matthews is as much of a generational talent as McDavid is, and stronger defensively imo.

McDavid is a 10/10 on offense, 8/10 defense
Matthews is a 9/10 on offense, 9/10 on defense

personally, I like Matthews better due to his hockey IQ in all situations, competitiveness, an ability to be more physical. McDavid obviously has amazing skating, hands, passing/scoring and offensive awareness.

Last season, there were a lot of plays where I felt Matthews held himself back in order to make sure no defensive errors were made by his line; thinking D-first. If he would be thinking offense first, he might have had 15 points more (but potentially Leafs not getting into playoffs).

For me the Leafs' best goal last season was actually Matthews goal vs Wsh game 6; apart from McDavid, Crosby I don't see alot of players pulling that goal off in that fashion..
- MaximusAurelius

.........your love is strong!!

I think that was the last time the Leafs beat the Habs FFS... But great game, I totally agree..
- bixll

One of my favourite games the last 20 years. We destroyed them in every area. Hitting, Fighting, Scoring. We literally shamed them. It was awesome!

I think that was the last time the Leafs beat the Habs FFS... But great game, I totally agree..
- bixll

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it was basically that game that caused Montreal to later sign George Friggin Perros!

One of my favourite games the last 20 years. We destroyed them in every area. Hitting, Fighting, Scoring. We literally shamed them. It was awesome!
- Hockey_Reverend

Shout out to McLaren also. He was a beast!

It's pretty satisfying watching fans of other teams talk about Matthews and how he's overrated
- burn

It's all jelousy. He's a superstar and he probed it last season. There is no argument agaisnt it.

Kinda like when some Leafs fans always said Price was a bust.

Or when people said Ovi's plus minus made him a horrible player because he was a black hole defensively.

People hate the Leafs a lot and that's what makes this so much sweeter

Enjoy your day ladies!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODsvF_WUsf0

So was Bo Horvat, what's your point?

Matthews is a great young player, but so far, from my view, he's in the mold of Stamkos, a shooter type of center. Again, Stamkos is awesome, but he's not a top five center in the league.

I'm not slammin Matthews, I'd love to have him on my team, I just don't think there's justification to say he's a top five center in the league....yet.
- LeftCoaster

Matthews has a good shot and has scored with it but most of his goals were scored taking a weak shot from the high slot or jamming at it from the low slot. I don't think it's a good comparison.

Marleau-Matthews-Nylander
JVR-Bozak-Marner
Hyman-Kadri-Brown
Komarov-Moore-Martin

3 lines of attack with defensively responsible forwards in there as well will be deadly. Even the 4th line is effective.

As for the defense...I expect Rielly-Haisney to start the season but I don't think it'll last long so here it is after that

Dermott/Rosen-Rielly
Gardiner-Zaitzev
Hainsey-Carrick
Marincin

Andersen
Mcbackup

Enjoy your day ladies!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODsvF_WUsf0
- Hockey_Reverend

That game starts at 2:25.

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TOR wingers: Hyman, Nylander, Marleau, Komarow, Brown, JVR, Marner, Martin, Leivo, Kapanen, Soshnikov. Highly competitive situation.

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TOR lineup is stacked with NHL wingers. Worth noting, IIRC, Kapanen and Soshnikov don't require waivers.

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IMO, Hyman-Matthews-Nylander and JVR-Bozak-Marner return intact. If so, who plays with Marleau-Kadri? Komarov or Brown?

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Babcock always liked Marleau's defensive prowess while still able to score. So I say Marleau starts with Kadri:
Adrock @shwaboy99
Replying to @TSNBobMcKenzie
Who's Marleau going to play with?


- burn

for some reason I want to yell out OMAHA! OMAHA! after seeing those numbers.

That Colton Orr story is great.

Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie
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TOR wingers: Hyman, Nylander, Marleau, Komarow, Brown, JVR, Marner, Martin, Leivo, Kapanen, Soshnikov. Highly competitive situation.

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Bob McKenzie
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TOR lineup is stacked with NHL wingers. Worth noting, IIRC, Kapanen and Soshnikov don't require waivers.

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IMO, Hyman-Matthews-Nylander and JVR-Bozak-Marner return intact. If so, who plays with Marleau-Kadri? Komarov or Brown?

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Babcock always liked Marleau's defensive prowess while still able to score. So I say Marleau starts with Kadri:
Adrock @shwaboy99
Replying to @TSNBobMcKenzie
Who's Marleau going to play with?


- burn

C'mon Babcock. Don't make me hate you. Get (frank)ing Hyman out of the top 6.

I think that was the last time the Leafs beat the Habs FFS... But great game, I totally agree..
- bixll

insert the sound of side show bob when he step on a rake

insert the sound of side show bob when he step on a rack


- zazzle

You should just be glad Bixll's memory can still remember something that's so long ago.

You should just be glad Bixll's memory can still remember something that's so long ago.
- Scabeh

I'm surprised you have so much time to spend in here when you should be at the habs training camp putting lifts in all their shoes

I'm surprised you have so much time to spend in here when you should be at the habs training camp putting lifts in all their shoes
- Cfser

It's taking less and less time every year.... losing Desharnais was a tough blow... thought I'd lose my job man.

Thank god for Paul Byron.

I'm surprised you have so much time to spend in here when you should be at the habs training camp putting lifts in all their shoes
- Cfser

Its amazing no one has caught on the the fact that the habs are small, its a veritable gold mine of heckles !

You should just be glad Bixll's memory can still remember something that's so long ago.
- Scabeh

Hey....... don't you talk badly about.....

nevermind.

Hey....... don't you talk badly about.....

nevermind.
- bixll

Damn....I wish we had a young center to make bets on when it came to this kind of subject. I feel shame...
- LeftCoaster

I would bet Horvat outscores...Lindholm?

Hey....... don't you talk badly about.....

nevermind.
- bixll

Its amazing no one has caught on the the fact that the habs are small, its a veritable gold mine of heckles !
- Cfser

- bixll

I would bet Horvat outscores...Lindholm?
- AdamFrench

Horvat will be good for around 55 points I think.

Good player.

Terrible team.

But good player.

- Scabeh

Father in law is currently under the knife... Triple bypass and a new heart valve..

Fingers crossed.