This this and this - You couldnt have summed it up any better. It seems pretty clear cut, the intention. I think last year, there was too many rookies in the lineup and we saw what happened, so ushering them in too fast ends up being similar to the Oilers mold. As much as we cant stand having to watch these vet guys, I think this is the way it is for this year and even next.
- Brooks_Light

The problem is not MDZ Gangne and Vanek at a grand total of 8 million dollars they are smart contracts .

The problem is the top end contracts for mediocre production

That sort of thinking is great if the final goal is to build a campfire , hold hand and sing kumbaya.

Smart managers get production on entry level contracts , sign them to a reasonable
contract in their prime and move them out on their decline. Falling in love with the name on the back of the jersey is a recipe for losing
- VANTEL

You can pass it off as campfire BS if you want, but unfortunately that "sort of thinking" is the reality of the league and the business. And it happens on every team, with every star player, even shi&&ier players. Just like i just pointed out, the Sedins have produced & over produced on every contract, every year, except last year, and 45, 51 pts isnt the tragedy you're making it out to be. The recipe for losing has a lot more than two ingredients.

The problem is not MDZ Gangne and Vanek at a grand total of 8 million dollars they are smart contracts .

The problem is the top end contracts for mediocre production
- VANTEL

Henriks 51 pts would've been top 5 production on about 90% of the teams in the league. Including, Chi, Ott, St.L, Nash, Pitts, Ana, Edm, SJ. I don't see whats so Mediocre about that. Its actually quite impressive, considering his linemates, the team in general, and his age. Decent value for 7mil.

You know what they've earned, their pay check, the organization owes them nothing and they owe the organization nothing, it was a mutually beneficial agreement for both. The respect they'll get is when their numbers are retired by the organization for being the best players who've ever played here, not the most talented (Bure) but best.

That said, I'm one of the ones who'd like to see them move along, but, that has nothing to do with rebuilding, I just want to see a different brand of hockey. They're the teams best players still so a one year extension is very likely while some kids develop.
- LeftCoaster

How many are we sacrificing?
- thundachunk

2 possibly 3.

2 possibly 3.
- Marwood

Can I volunteer some people?

- Marwood

3 spots left in hockey pool.

Henriks 51 pts would've been top 5 production on about 90% of the teams in the league. Including, Chi, Ott, St.L, Nash, Pitts, Ana, Edm, SJ. I don't see whats so Mediocre about that. Its actually quite impressive, considering his linemates, the team in general, and his age. Decent value for 7mil.
- Brooks_Light

Nope, they should be making less than Sutter. Instead we should use the $14m to bring in Turris and Evander Kane, even though they put up the same 50 points in first line roles over in the East

Nope, they should be making less than Sutter. Instead we should use the $14m to bring in Turris and Evander Kane, even though they put up the same 50 points in first line roles over in the East
- WhiteLie

He wants change for the sake of change, I don't really have an issue with that. To say Daniel and Henrik aren't productive is not necessarily true, they are, however, 7 million for 45-50 points is bad money spent. Gillis spent that though, not Benning.

3 spots left in hockey pool.
- Scooby_Doo

I hope you didn't let Donna in? He didn't dress a full lineup half the year. Get someone who's gonna actually play

He wants change for the sake of change, I don't really have an issue with that. To say Daniel and Henrik aren't productive is not necessarily true, they are, however, 7 million for 45-50 points is bad money spent. Gillis spent that though, not Benning.
- LeftCoaster

If its change for the sake of change, then that's fine. Cant really argue personal opinion on how someone likes to be entertained

If the argument is that they money is poorly spent, then you cannot also advocate bringing in veterans in their prime, for the same dollar, that are producing at similar rates as the guys you want out. If the past regime made a mistake, why engage in a similar one?

Willie is the worst coach this franchise has ever had in my opinion
- CanuckDon

You obviously weren't around for Bill Laforge.

I hope you didn't let Donna in? He didn't dress a full lineup half the year. Get someone who's gonna actually play
- LeftCoaster

He wont let me in.

If its change for the sake of change, then that's fine. Cant really argue personal opinion on how someone likes to be entertained

If the argument is that they money is poorly spent, then you cannot also advocate bringing in veterans in their prime, for the same dollar, that are producing at similar rates as the guys you want out. If the past regime made a mistake, why engage in a similar one?
- WhiteLie

Change for the sake of change. If results dont change. Hearing the samething. Change for the sake of change again.

Perspective on the twins contracts.
Kane 118
Mackinnon 119
Krejci 134
Thornton 135
Voracek 135
H. Sedin 137
RNH 140
Marleau 145
Duchene 146
Speeza 150
Backes 158
D. Sedin 159
Perry 163
Landeskog 169
Stastny 175
Parise 175
TOEWS 181.

These are all price per point last season. Sedins are right in the middle of what most would consider much better players then them.

Can I volunteer some people?
- Renidrag

They offer themselves.

3 spots left in hockey pool.
- Scooby_Doo

Thanks Scooby.
I'm a lazy poolie. I do the pick the 10 players in Oct. and hope for the best by Apr. pools. No daily/weekly rosters.
I will participate by ridiculing & mocking the poolie chatter in here.

Change for the sake of change. If results dont change. Hearing the samething. Change for the sake of change again.

Perspective on the twins contracts.
Kane 118
Mackinnon 119
Krejci 134
Thornton 135
Voracek 135
H. Sedin 137
RNH 140
Marleau 145
Duchene 146
Speeza 150
Backes 158
D. Sedin 159
Perry 163
Landeskog 169
Stastny 175
Parise 175
TOEWS 181.

These are all price per point last season. Sedins are right in the middle of what most would consider much better players then them.
- manvanfan

I was starting to look up the same thing. Whats reasonable for cost-per-point, excluding ELC's, for top players? 100k-150k? If McJesus scores 100 points on his new deal, he'd be at $125k per point...

Nope, they should be making less than Sutter. Instead we should use the $14m to bring in Turris and Evander Kane, even though they put up the same 50 points in first line roles over in the East
- WhiteLie

Are we allowed to flag Refs or do we just go straight to CaptEO?

I was starting to look up the same thing. Whats reasonable for cost-per-point, excluding ELC's, for top players? 100k-150k? If McJesus scores 100 points on his new deal, he'd be at $125k per point...
- WhiteLie

Someone wrote a long article a month back on prohockeyrumors.com about the benchmark for contracts being 100k per point for forwards and scoring D. Obviously, winning cups and having other specialities will get you a bit more. If tou dont score at that rate. Take Tanev or like Olli Maata.

I thought with the cap going up every year, last season 110k per point would have been about right.


https://www.prohockeyrumo...07/point-value-deals.html
Heres the article.

Edit: wrong article.

https://www.prohockeyrumo...v-home=true&post-id=74709

And here is this years.

From Rick Dhaliwal

Cherry talking about Travis Green

Cherry "He has a problem with the twins, they make big dough. Play them on pp, don't play them when the face-off is in your end." #Canucks

Are we allowed to flag Refs or do we just go straight to CaptEO?
- Marwood

hard flags only

From Rick Dhaliwal

Cherry talking about Travis Green

Cherry "He has a problem with the twins, they make big dough. Play them on pp, don't play them when the face-off is in your end." #Canucks
- Kaynine

I wonder if Cherry is of sound mind anymore. He hasnt got it wrong dont let them play in their own end. Same with Vanek.

Back to Cherry, he screws up a lot. Names. Teams. Position. Segments.

I wonder if Cherry is of sound mind anymore. He hasnt got it wrong dont let them play in their own end. Same with Vanek.

Back to Cherry, he screws up a lot. Names. Teams. Position. Segments.
- manvanfan

No.
Probably hasn't be relevant for at least 10 years.

Someone wrote a long article a month back on prohockeyrumors.com about the benchmark for contracts being 100k per point for forwards and scoring D. Obviously, winning cups and having other specialities will get you a bit more. If tou dont score at that rate. Take Tanev or like Olli Maata.

I thought with the cap going up every year, last season 110k per point would have been about right.


https://www.prohockeyrumo...07/point-value-deals.html
Heres the article.

Edit: wrong article.
- manvanfan

There are definitely more aspects to the game than points, so some variance is expected, but I think excellent value has to be around that 110k mark or less. That list you provided seems to be a current snapshot of "fair value" - $120k-160k per point

No.
Probably hasn't be relevant for at least 10 years.
- Marwood

Thats correct. Who would replace him though?