If you think doughty is massively overrated there's something wrong with you

If karlsson d is awesome and burns is too high because his defense suck then idk what to say
- burn

And the earth is flat...

If you think doughty is massively overrated there's something wrong with you

If karlsson d is awesome and burns is too high because his defense suck then idk what to say
- burn

Karlson is easily the best dman who makes everyone around him better, and completely tilts the ice. I consider that good defense. He said he wouldnt argue if people put burns 3rd but not 2nd. I like doughty and dont think hes overrated but im not sure hes a forsure top 5 dman its arguable. Calling him overrated is the only out of those 3 statements thats completely ridiculous

Shanny deserves credit, unlike good old buddy Trevor Linden, he worked at NHL head office before Liewiki hired him (Liewiki should be given more credit than he gets) While good ole boy Linden brought in half wit Benning, Shanahan hired Dubas and Lemoriello. While Linden hired Judd Bracket, Shanahan hired Hunter for scouting. While Linden hired Dejardins and Green, Shanahan hired Babcock. All these hires cost money that Aquilini - the cheap bastard that he is, was not willing to spend. Hence you have a coach that while cheap is not exactly an elite NHL coach. You might ask - what exactly were Linden's qualifications? He was the idiot head of the Players union when the strike wiped out a season of hockey.
Shanahan also kicked Kadri in the ass - and the underperfoming and mostly invisible player turned things around just a little.
- winsix

Kadri realized his peers and good hockey fans would acknowledge him for something other than scoring. Big step towards growing up. Bet his parents paid him for every goal he scored as a youngun'.

If you think doughty is massively overrated there's something wrong with you

If karlsson d is awesome and burns is too high because his defense suck then idk what to say
- burn

Doughty is undoubtably (I had to) an elite, Top 5 d-man in the league (or, at worst, just outside of the Top 5).

Karlsson's D IS very much underrated and, frankly, he deserved the Norris last year. Look at the team surrounding this guy and he had virtually the same points per game as Burns. He makes everyone around him better and his unreal possession is the best kind of defense. I can't think of too many players in the league I'd pick over him.

Burns' D is underrated but there's at least 5-6 other d-men I'd take over him if given the chance.

But But But
- nbboy

Signed zaitsev, Martin

traded for Andersen, hyman,

Drafted Matthews, marner nylander


He's done nothing.......

Karlson is easily the best dman who makes everyone around him better, and completely tilts the ice. I consider that good defense. He said he wouldnt argue if people put burns 3rd but not 2nd. I like doughty and dont think hes overrated but im not sure hes a forsure top 5 dman its arguable. Calling him overrated is the only out of those 3 statements thats completely ridiculous
- ClarksonDavid

I take Doughty over K-Hair any, and every day of the week.

I take Doughty over K-Hair any, and every day of the week.
- Woderwick

Cause hes canadian and doesnt play for the Sens? (frank) the Sens but Karlsson is the best dman in the league and shows it year after year.

Cause hes canadian and doesnt play for the Sens? (frank) the Sens but Karlsson is the best dman in the league and shows it year after year.
- ClarksonDavid

Not in my eyes.

Karlson is easily the best dman who makes everyone around him better, and completely tilts the ice. I consider that good defense. He said he wouldnt argue if people put burns 3rd but not 2nd. I like doughty and dont think hes overrated but im not sure hes a forsure top 5 dman its arguable. Calling him overrated is the only out of those 3 statements thats completely ridiculous
- ClarksonDavid

He said burns too high cause his d sucks, but karlsson's d is awesome. That's absurd

Not sure if Doughty is top5? Wurt?

I take Doughty over K-Hair any, and every day of the week.
- Woderwick

Easily.

He said burns too high cause his d sucks, but karlsson's d is awesome. That's absurd

Not sure if Doughty is top5? Wurt?
- burn

The only way someone can think that is if they've literally never watched them play. Burns isn't the best defensive d-man but he's still better at it than Karlsson.

He said burns too high cause his d sucks, but karlsson's d is awesome. That's absurd

Not sure if Doughty is top5? Wurt?
- burn

Karlsson D is awesome. Did u not watch the playoffs? the last how many years? I honestly dont watch the sharks enough but Burns offense is very good but have no idea about his dzone, i'm sure the fact hes so good with the puck and in the offensive zone his dzone play doesn't even matter if it is weaker. I like doughty but its subjective, id go Karlson Hedman Burrns then from there you're splitting hairs. Maybe id even put doughty 3rd but i dont watch every game all these guys play in

Shanny deserves credit, unlike good old buddy Trevor Linden, he worked at NHL head office before Liewiki hired him (Liewiki should be given more credit than he gets) While good ole boy Linden brought in half wit Benning, Shanahan hired Dubas and Lemoriello. While Linden hired Judd Bracket, Shanahan hired Hunter for scouting. While Linden hired Dejardins and Green, Shanahan hired Babcock. All these hires cost money that Aquilini - the cheap bastard that he is, was not willing to spend. Hence you have a coach that while cheap is not exactly an elite NHL coach. You might ask - what exactly were Linden's qualifications? He was the idiot head of the Players union when the strike wiped out a season of hockey.
Shanahan also kicked Kadri in the ass - and the underperfoming and mostly invisible player turned things around just a little.
- winsix

I did give him credit, just not for the "majority" of the players. He fired the entire scouting staff, long overdue, he hired Babcock (who wanted to coach there) but that's a two-way street to be honest but when you throw that much money at someone are they really gonna say no?

Shanny made significant changes, as you mentioned, Hunter and Dubas were really smart hiring's. As for Linden, I fully agree with you, the guys a clown and so is his ass-face buddy Benning.

As for Brackett, Linden didn't hire him, he's been in the organization since 2008. He was named Director of Amateur Scouting on August 4, 2015. After they pooched the 2014 draft they needed to make changes, the 2016 and 2017 drafts were very good IMO under him....at the end of the day though, the GM makes the final decisions.

Signed zaitsev, Martin

traded for Andersen, hyman,

Drafted Matthews, marner nylander


He's done nothing.......
- burn

Agreed with all your post burns. .and he reorganized the entire team from top to bottom! It always starts at the top,and leaf fans have Shanny to thank!

Easily.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Doughty is a great player, best d-man by far on a team that has won 2 cups. But as far as scoring points, he's .526 points per game compared to .820 points per game for Karlsson. They are both UFA after the 2018-19 season, will be interesting to see who gets more $.

Doughty is a great player, best d-man by far on a team that has won 2 cups. But as far as scoring points, he's .526 points per game compared to .820 points per game for Karlsson. They are both UFA after the 2018-19 season, will be interesting to see who gets more $.
- winsix

Scoring points wise, yeah. Karlsson is easily better.

Nylander was drafted after shanny was hired.

How are the players not his doing? He hired competent gm and they were able to clear out the junk and start fresh
- burn

Lamoriello is anything but a competent GM, he had to change his ways under Shannahan who IMO has a tight rope where he's concerned. When the cap came in he didn't fair so well in NJ, that's why he was pushed out the door by ownership.

I did give him credit, just not for the "majority" of the players. He fired the entire scouting staff, long overdue, he hired Babcock (who wanted to coach there) but that's a two-way street to be honest but when you throw that much money at someone are they really gonna say no?

Shanny made significant changes, as you mentioned, Hunter and Dubas were really smart hiring's. As for Linden, I fully agree with you, the guys a clown and so is his ass-face buddy Benning.

As for Brackett, Linden didn't hire him, he's been in the organization since 2008. He was named Director of Amateur Scouting on August 4, 2015. After they pooched the 2014 draft they needed to make changes, the 2016 and 2017 drafts were very good IMO under him....at the end of the day though, the GM makes the final decisions.
- LeftCoaster

Honest and accurate assessment. Can blame Benning and Linden all day, but until Aquilini sells the team - it will be hard for the Canucks to move forward. Ultimately, he is responsible. Leaf fans know all about sh!tty owners.

Signed zaitsev, Martin

traded for Andersen, hyman,

Drafted Matthews, marner nylander


He's done nothing.......
- burn

No one said he didn't do anything #dramaqueen

Lamoriello is anything but a competent GM, he had to change his ways under Shannahan who IMO has a tight rope where he's concerned. When the cap came in he didn't fair so well in NJ, that's why he was pushed out the door by ownership.
- LeftCoaster

Not a huge fan of Lou. Really like Shannahan though

Honest and accurate assessment. Can blame Benning and Linden all day, but until Aquilini sells the team - it will be hard for the Canucks to move forward. Ultimately, he is responsible. Leaf fans know all about sh!tty owners.
- winsix

I think Aquilini realized he's part of the problem, not the solution, so he's stepped back....thankfully.

Not a huge fan of Lou. Really like Shannahan though
- ClarksonDavid

Shanny is what the Leaf organization needed for a long time, as well as an ownership group that supported his ideas. Turns out he was right, and you're seeing the results now.

Karlsson D is awesome. Did u not watch the playoffs? the last how many years? I honestly dont watch the sharks enough but Burns offense is very good but have no idea about his dzone, i'm sure the fact hes so good with the puck and in the offensive zone his dzone play doesn't even matter if it is weaker. I like doughty but its subjective, id go Karlson Hedman Burrns then from there you're splitting hairs. Maybe id even put doughty 3rd but i dont watch every game all these guys play in
- ClarksonDavid

Karlsson d isn't close to that of hedman, doughty and the like.


The point was he was bashing burns defense saying he didn't belong there all the while saying karlsson defense is amazing (it's not any better than karlsson)

Doughty is a great player, best d-man by far on a team that has won 2 cups. But as far as scoring points, he's .526 points per game compared to .820 points per game for Karlsson. They are both UFA after the 2018-19 season, will be interesting to see who gets more $.
- winsix

Because one guy plays 2 way smart hockey, no chances while to their guy goes all out offense and very little defense.

It's no coincidence which one has won 2cups.

Scoring points wise, yeah. Karlsson is easily better.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Can't argue that fact, but...the rest - very debatable. Personal taste and view - guess that's what makes he world go round.
Doughty in the SC wins was amazing.