Michael Frolik was acquired from Florida for Jack Skille in Feb. 2011.

Pirri and Hayes were traded to Florida in 2013 and 2014, respectively.

Your post makes no sense.
- BreakoutHockey

I would not move Toews for Carter and retain $3mil of Toews salary. Carter averaged 60 points over the last 4 years. He has scored more than 66 points one time in his 14 year career.
- -Doh-

Yeah, I don't see how $1.7-8m in cap space is worth the downgrade from Toews to Carter, unless Toews' back is worse off than we know. Carter is 3 years older and has only out produced Toews like twice (one of which was only because he played more games) and Carter is definitely not as good as Toews defensively / as a leader - so by retaining $3m, that's be like Carter at about $8.3m which is silly. And get this: Toews actually had a minutely better PPG last year than Carter at .81 vs .80 while playing with lower quality of teammate and with injury issues.

Sometimes when I read trade ideas from fans, I think they're remembering the players from like 2-5 years ago. Vermette was the same way - a lot of people thought he was still a 2C when the Hawks acquired him but he was obviously not when he played. Good, key 3C but not the excellent 2C that people were remembering from 3 years prior.

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There is no "n" in Trubisky. Article in the Athletic this morning says Tru asked to be allowed to throw. He only came in because Shaw got pulled by a concussion spotter, then hurt his leg.
- JRoenick97

Just because you ask the coach to be able to throw in the vaing minutes of a lost exhibition game with one of your QB's injured ...coach Fox should have Tru take a knee and call it a day. Dumb move!

One less option for the Hawks.

Welcome to the #Canucks @T_Vanek26 https://t.co/RiYxRHSxZ6

— Vancouver Canucks (@Canucks) September 1, 2017

One less option for the Hawks.

Welcome to the #Canucks @T_Vanek26 https://t.co/RiYxRHSxZ6

— Vancouver Canucks (@Canucks) September 1, 2017

- DarthKane

Good tbh. I'd be annoyed if the Hawks had paid Vanek $2m.

Good tbh. I'd be annoyed if the Hawks had paid Vanek $2m.
- L_B_R

The Hawks don't need Vanek, they have Jurco.

The Hawks don't need Vanek, they have Jurco.
- DarthKane

The Hawks don't need Vanek because no one really need Vanek.

The Hawks don't need Vanek because no one really need Vanek.
- L_B_R

The Hawks don't need Vanek because no one really need Vanek.
- L_B_R

Michael Frolik was acquired from Florida for Jack Skille in Feb. 2011.

Pirri and Hayes were traded to Florida in 2013 and 2014, respectively.

Your post makes no sense.
- BreakoutHockey

Because of course Jack Skille has done as well in his career as Frolik has?

So the post-er got the personnel involved wrong, that was actually probably the only player of any value that Bowman got after the 2010 roster purge -and Skille is probably closer to enjoying a non-professional hockey career as either Hayes or Pirri on an ongoing basis.

Michael Frolik was acquired from Florida for Jack Skille in Feb. 2011.

Pirri and Hayes were traded to Florida in 2013 and 2014, respectively.

Your post makes no sense.
- BreakoutHockey

That's because I did not know for sure, I was assuming it was those 2, but Okay, Skille? It's still a win for SB.

Michael Frolik was acquired from Florida for Jack Skille in Feb. 2011.

Pirri and Hayes were traded to Florida in 2013 and 2014, respectively.

Your post makes no sense.
- BreakoutHockey

Why should he start now?

https://blackhawkup.com/2...o-blackhawks-pto-options/

BlackhawkUp's take on PTO options:

- Defense: Liles, Franson, Goloubef
- Forward: Hudler, Parenteau, Desjardins, Abbott, Vanek

Vanek is out now that the Canucks signed him (didn't care for him anyway) but Desjardins and Abbott surprise me. I personally wouldn't mind Desjardins if he still has gas left in the tank and is injury free so he has a chance to bounce back. Abbott is AHL fodder so pass there.

If they're still shopping for teams to throw them PTOs, why not with Liles, Franson, Hudler, and Parenteau. Low risk, high reward with PTOs. If they don't impress in camp, cut bait and move on.

And don't know much at all about Goloubef. He is a right-handed shot so there's that.

The Franson thing is strange. He is seemingly a UFA every other year but never gets a long term deal. I was reading my Hockey News free agency issue and noticed they had him priced at roughly 3 Million back in late June.
He obviously did not get that and he did not get "term" from anybody. I wonder if this guy is a legend in his own mind. He will not even get the 1 year, 800,000 that Francois Beauchemen just got.

Perhaps Stan should steer clear

Stan will steer clear of Franson. Too slow to fit into the speed narrative for this year's team. Any defensive help will come via trade with Hossa's LTIR money as discussed, perhaps with Vegas.

@DarrenDreger

Sounds like Zaripov has two firm NHL offers and expects at least two more before making his decision
- JRoenick97

The Rangers are one; who is the other? hmmmm.

https://blackhawkup.com/2017/09/01/analyzing-chicago-blackhawks-pto-options/

BlackhawkUp's take on PTO options:

- Defense: Liles, Franson, Goloubef
- Forward: Hudler, Parenteau, Desjardins, Abbott, Vanek

Vanek is out now that the Canucks signed him (didn't care for him anyway) but Desjardins and Abbott surprise me. I personally wouldn't mind Desjardins if he still has gas left in the tank and is injury free so he has a chance to bounce back. Abbott is AHL fodder so pass there.

If they're still shopping for teams to throw them PTOs, why not with Liles, Franson, Hudler, and Parenteau. Low risk, high reward with PTOs. If they don't impress in camp, cut bait and move on.

And don't know much at all about Goloubef. He is a right-handed shot so there's that.
- AEL_Fox

Goloubef all shot, not dee awareness or canvass of success on the backline
Liles is he older than the Game of Thrones Peter Dinklege? play the kids
Franson big and within his areas of success ok; but dont expect the big guy to play big.

Parenteau the hawks had him and after the look see on the parent club they saw he was a one trick pony that simply couldn't/wouldn't play any defensive scheme.
Hudler to expect more from him in the presnt game is a head scratcher at his size and age
Desi ...and they got the best of Desi, and don't want the decline of Desi
Vanek signed
Abbott make sure you bring Costello too (Braden Costello who is in this draft class) I just don't understand why there is a inert need to try and pick through the recycling bin, when the only way you find out if your next Pirri is better than your last is by seeing the youngsters play at high pace in the highest level...these guys get in the way of the evaluation process.
They have just be evaluated.

Goloubef all shot, not dee awareness or canvass of success on the backline
Liles is he older than the Game of Thrones Peter Dinklege? play the kids
Franson big and within his areas of success ok; but dont expect the big guy to play big.

Parenteau the hawks had him and after the look see on the parent club they saw he was a one trick pony that simply couldn't/wouldn't play any defensive scheme.
Hudler to expect more from him in the presnt game is a head scratcher at his size and age
Desi ...and they got the best of Desi, and don't want the decline of Desi
Vanek signed
Abbott make sure you bring Costello too (Braden Costello who is in this draft class) I just don't understand why there is a inert need to try and pick through the recycling bin, when the only way you find out if your next Pirri is better than your last is by seeing the youngsters play at high pace in the highest level...these guys get in the way of the evaluation process.
They have just be evaluated.
- wiz1901

Yep, they had him. But he was a kid. I understand why they didn't keep him but perhaps it's possible he's picked up some knowledge along the way and since he's on the back nine he might be more willing to give a proper well rounded effort to stay in the show al long as possible.

Maybe.

Another mercenary watch going on. Ho hum.

I've never played fantasy hockey before, but my brother is starting a league. Any tips or websites I should go to before drafting my team?
- tvetter

Start with the bible: http://www.dobberhockey.com/

Line combos are helpful too: https://leftwinglock.com/line-combinations/

As always poke around every corner of a site. A lot to these two and will get you started. Dobber has a fantasy message board with some real freak/geeks that are full of info ........... Biggest tip I can give is know the rules/settings of your league. That will allow you to make draft picks that fit YOUR league. You don't need a Gudas if your league doesn't count hits and PIM. If a league counts a lot of categories sometimes a Simmonds is more valuable than a Panarin even though Panarin will out point him.

Good luck and get down with the sickness.

I've heard his hockey IQ is a weakness. Can't say for sure if that's true, but if so that's an issue. If SB could grab the guy with Pokka and a mid pick then why not, but I think some other team will bite on him for his speed alone and take a shot.
- 6628

I think the biggest knock on AA in Detroit is his aversion to playing all 3 zones, especially his own. It's said he doesn't buy into the importance of getting back to his own zone despite being as fast as any human on earth. IE he's lazy.

ICMI Memories of the old Chicago Stadium Fromm Paul Stewart:
http://www.hockeybuzz.com...ouse-on-Madison/196/87138

Fun comments from some of our own too!

I don't think it would happen, but what if it did? The curious case of Thomas Jurco is interesting. His point production has decreased each year in the league.

0.42
0.29
0.14
0.03

Along with it, his shots per game declined year over year, but his deployment ozone vs dzone have dropped as well.

OZ DZ
67.5 32.5
52.2 47.8
46.5 53.5
52.3 47.7 (this increased as the Hawks deployed him more in the ozone, but that wasn't the case with Detroit)

Can the Hawks get him back on track? I'd think he doesn't have much confidence at this point, but I'd think he needs to be one of those guys getting offense first minutes and he needs to shoot the puck. He didn't have a great 13 games since arriving in Chicago, but would be good to see what he does in camp. Maybe slotting him on an offensive line with Kane would maximize what he can bring to the table.

Not saying it will happen, but just wondering if Jurco can reverse his downward spiral and earn a chance to contribute in a more meaningful way. He is still one of the younger forwards on the roster at 24 years old.
- breadbag

I saw a stout player with good size, was willing, quick hands, held his ground near the crease, was a +skater who has a dynamic element to his game. I also thought he floated a bit due to not knowing the system(s) or it could be he's short on hockey sense. Similar to how Panik looked going into the yr.

No doubt he's short of confidence right now. He's a young player in a new, and by all accounts, a tough system to acclimate to. A full training camp and defined role, if any, will go along way to evaluating him.

Talent is not the problem. He's represented Slovakia in the WJC U-18 and U-20 and the WC and drafted in the 2nd round. He's a big talented player with quick hands and a +skater. ........Lets see if Q can find an answer and role for the kid. If not nest man up. But IMO a full training camp will be very important to finding out what Jurco is or isn't.

Start with the bible: http://www.dobberhockey.com/

Line combos are helpful too: https://leftwinglock.com/line-combinations/

As always poke around every corner of a site. A lot to these two and will get you started. Dobber has a fantasy message board with some real freak/geeks that are full of info ........... Biggest tip I can give is know the rules/settings of your league. That will allow you to make draft picks that fit YOUR league. You don't need a Gudas if your league doesn't count hits and PIM. If a league counts a lot of categories sometimes a Simmonds is more valuable than a Panarin even though Panarin will out point him.

Good luck and get down with the sickness.
- Mr Ricochet

Thank you. I'll check them out