Uhmm no

Completely different players.

Get your eyes checked
- Santo_44

I know they're differnt players, which is why brown is better.

Brown does everything hyman does with offense.

I know they're differnt players, which is why brown is better.

Brown does everything hyman does with offense.
- burn

I agree Brown is a better player with a higher skill set for scoring.
But Hyman is WAY better on the fore check and coming out with the puck.

If he's better in quite a few aspects how is he not more valuable? He's better defensively and at least if not better at defense, work ethic pk

Babs love brown as well.
- burn

Yes and with good reason. Comes to play, one of the best pk guys on the team, hits hard, 30 minutes in penalties all year.

he's not better in work ethic / pk / defensively
- MaximusAurelius

How do you figure? Babcock has called brown a "drive train" player in the past, uses him on the pk a lot and he was matched up against the other teams top line last year and got defensive zone starts.

How do you figure? Babcock has called brown a "drive train" player in the past, uses him on the pk a lot and he was matched up against the other teams top line last year and got defensive zone starts.
- burn

for starters, I'm not the only one that thinks Hyman >> defensively over Brown.
Hyman was 25th in Selke votes (2nd to Kadri who was 20th) - Brown nowhere to be seen there..

I know they're differnt players, which is why brown is better.

Brown does everything hyman does with offense.
- burn

I respectfully disagree.

Hyman will most likely play with Matthews and Nylander again to start the season

I respectfully disagree.

Hyman will most likely play with Matthews and Nylander again to start the season
- walshyleafsfan

Are you saying that hyman is better cause of who he plays with? How does who plays with who dictate who's better?

I still think marleau was signed to play.

I respectfully disagree.

Hyman will most likely play with Matthews and Nylander again to start the season
- walshyleafsfan

I think it's gonna be Marleau. His shooting percentage in close is insane, while Hyman's was poop... and he'll chase it down and recover it too.

for starters, I'm not the only one that thinks Hyman >> defensively over Brown.
Hyman was 25th in Selke votes (2nd to Kadri who was 20th) - Brown nowhere to be seen there..
- MaximusAurelius

Brown is significantly better offensively(no question). Much closer defensively to hyman than hyman is to brown offensively. That to me says who's better

Are you saying that hyman is better cause of who he plays with? How does who plays with who dictate who's better?

I still think marleau was signed to play.
- burn

Well they didn't sign him to sell peanuts during the intermission.

I respectfully disagree.

Hyman will most likely play with Matthews and Nylander again to start the season
- walshyleafsfan

You could be right, in my opinion, Marleau will see significant time on Matthews line. He has a very good shot and will be able to do more offensively than Hyman. In addition, hard to imagine paying a player makeing $6 million plus to play on the third or fourth line. In addition, Marleau can play centre, so when Bozak gets moved, he could easily be moved to centre.

Are you saying that hyman is better cause of who he plays with? How does who plays with who dictate who's better?

I still think marleau was signed to play.
- burn

I'm saying Hyman has a role on the team. Hyman brings something to the team that not many other players bring. Hyman led the team in SH ice time, which was a huge factor in them being the 10th best PK (never thought i'd see the Leafs in the top 26 teams haha).

I think Babcock likes Hyman. I think he likes him with Matthews and Nylander. I think he thinks i won't just but all our best offensive players together. I think he thinks you can't just ice a team of 20 goal forwards. I think he thinks a lot different to most posters here.

You could be right, in my opinion, Marleau will see significant time on Matthews line. He has a very good shot and will be able to do more offensively than Hyman. In addition, hard to imagine paying a player makeing $6 million plus to play on the third or fourth line. In addition, Marleau can play centre, so when Bozak gets moved, he could easily be moved to centre.
- winsix

Oh for sure.

When people are writing down there lines, i hope we're not thinking that's the way it goes for 82 games regardless of how the games are going.

There's a lot of fluidity in the Leafs lineup (amongst forwards). That's there greatest strength.

I just think Hyman starts there, and it's his to lose from game 1.

Are you saying that hyman is better cause of who he plays with? How does who plays with who dictate who's better?

I still think marleau was signed to play.
- burn

Not bustng your balls, but with them shopping jvr for D help i think Marleau would have slotted in beside Bozak...now if jvr stays he could be with matthews.

Jmo

Brown is significantly better offensively(no question). Much closer defensively to hyman than hyman is to brown offensively. That to me says who's better
- burn

there are at least 5 forwards on the leafs team that are better offensively than brown.
hyman might be the best / 2nd best defensive forward on leafs
that's why he is more important to the leafs build than brown (even if brown is good defensively as well - although i would put marner and matthews as better defensively than brown)

I'm saying Hyman has a role on the team. Hyman brings something to the team that not many other players bring. Hyman led the team in SH ice time, which was a huge factor in them being the 10th best PK (never thought i'd see the Leafs in the top 26 teams haha).

I think Babcock likes Hyman. I think he likes him with Matthews and Nylander. I think he thinks i won't just but all our best offensive players together. I think he thinks you can't just ice a team of 20 goal forwards. I think he thinks a lot different to most posters here.
- walshyleafsfan

No one saying hyman doesn't play a role on the team


You're saying that if you score 20 goals you can't also play that role as well? Wouldn't scoring and playing that role make you more valuable?

Scratched for the first two games eh?

*checks Russian-English dictionary *

Apparently Ozhiganov is Russian for "Corrado"
- magmoo

No one saying hyman doesn't play a role on the team


You're saying that if you score 20 goals you can't also play that role as well? Wouldn't scoring and playing that role make you more valuable?
- burn

They'll both play for the Leafs for a while. Obviously they're committed to both. I think Hyman is setup to take Leo's spot. Brown would look good with Matthews-Nylander.

there are at least 5 forwards on the leafs team that are better offensively than brown.
hyman might be the best / 2nd best defensive forward on leafs
that's why he is more important to the leafs build than brown (even if brown is good defensively as well - although i would put marner and matthews as better defensively than brown)
- MaximusAurelius

I don't think so

They'll both play for the Leafs for a while. Obviously they're committed to both. I think Hyman is setup to take Leo's spot. Brown would look good with Matthews-Nylander.
- iTOLDu

This

I'm saying Hyman has a role on the team. Hyman brings something to the team that not many other players bring. Hyman led the team in SH ice time, which was a huge factor in them being the 10th best PK (never thought i'd see the Leafs in the top 26 teams haha).

I think Babcock likes Hyman. I think he likes him with Matthews and Nylander. I think he thinks i won't just but all our best offensive players together. I think he thinks you can't just ice a team of 20 goal forwards. I think he thinks a lot different to most posters here.
- walshyleafsfan

You may be right - but here is some food for thought.
You may remember how bad the Leafs were when they finished dead last in the league. It seemed to me, and I might be exaggerating but, the Leafs were being scored upon in the first couple of minutes in a significant number of games. Here's what should be a motivating factor in stacking the first line with Marleau.

SCORE THE FIRST (frank)ING GOAL


And this is why:

https://hockey-graphs.com...-conditional-probability/

Washington finished first overall with a winning percentage of .6707

How convenient, just over two thirds of their games were wins.

Just saw a commercial for visa/air canada with pavelski, Bergeron and couture.

No one saying hyman doesn't play a role on the team


You're saying that if you score 20 goals you can't also play that role as well? Wouldn't scoring and playing that role make you more valuable?
- burn

I don't think he plays that role nearly as well as Hyman (just my opinion).

I think Brown slots in well on his favoured right wing with Komarov and Kadri.

I think Hyman slots in well on his favoured left wing with Matthews and Nylander (at even strength).

We have enough aesthetically pleasing players, we can afford some grit and sandpaper. We don't need, nor really want, 12 20 goal scorers.

I don't think he plays that role nearly as well as Hyman (just my opinion).

I think Brown slots in well on his favoured right wing with Komarov and Kadri.

I think Hyman slots in well on his favoured left wing with Matthews and Nylander (at even strength).

We have enough aesthetically pleasing players, we can afford some grit and sandpaper. We don't need, nor really want, 12 20 goal scorers.
- walshyleafsfan

Id probably take Brown over Hyman but its 1 year and there's probably not a right answer at the moment

I for one am very happy we are getting Jonas Frogren I mean Igor Ozhiganov