newbie , how do you change your avatar?
- RLexi1996

alt + f4 brings up the page where you can edit your profile.

It's a daily occurrence so he'd better have thick skin
- LeftCoaster

Go and call Kane a rapist in JJ's blog. That'll get you used to the worst of the worst here.

Come on Rutherford! Step up to the plate.

They really are.

And they might actually be worse next year.
- BINGO!

Here's hoping.

Here's hoping.
- RafiDRW

Canucks have it in the bag, step aside

It was bound to happen at some point.

People will likely point at drafting, signings etc and immediately blame Holland. But as a Wings fan from 89'... I have a bit different take.

To me the downfall was clearly attributed to 3 factors:

-Not finishing poor enough in 10years to draft (1) elite dman and / or proper depth on the backend.

-Not having suspected players fill the voids of the top players (IE - Tatar/Nyquist not filling Datsyuk/Zetterberg's shoes).

-The Wings always just slightly better then they really were in the last 5 years because of Datsyuk/Zetterberg, this made Holland continue to try and build around those two, despite their age slowly catching up with them.

Basically, Holland's pension to try and stay competitive, and reasonably so, instead of being terrible for 10years like CHI, LA and PITs did before their got a fresh start with elite talent.

BUT even that doesnt guarantee anything, playing kids doesnt guarantee anything so Im not going to say Holland could have made some better contract choices, but will letting Darren Helm walk and having AA make us a 2nd round playoff team? I dont think it does -- in addition there are no more BIG FISH out there to sign anyways, even if you saved a bunch of cap space, who they gonna get? ...

I think the main issue I have, is that Holland is getting blamed for bad contracts, when the players should be blame for not living up to 3-4mil contracts as 2nd tier players.

WAY too many guys, just not playing to their capabilities is a much bigger problem than the contracts that Holland has handed by way of looking at the player and what they make.

The only solution, is to trade out players and take peanuts back to clear space to sign your young player and hope some of them become another Z / Datsyuk.

It was bound to happen at some point.

People will likely point at drafting, signings etc and immediately blame Holland. But as a Wings fan from 89'... I have a bit different take.

To me the downfall was clearly attributed to 3 factors:

-Not finishing poor enough in 10years to draft (1) elite dman and / or proper depth on the backend.

-Not having suspected players fill the voids of the top players (IE - Tatar/Nyquist not filling Datsyuk/Zetterberg's shoes).

-The Wings always just slightly better then they really were in the last 5 years because of Datsyuk/Zetterberg, this made Holland continue to try and build around those two, despite their age slowly catching up with them.

Basically, Holland's pension to try and stay competitive, and reasonably so, instead of being terrible for 10years like CHI, LA and PITs did before their got a fresh start with elite talent.

BUT even that doesnt guarantee anything, playing kids doesnt guarantee anything so Im not going to say Holland could have made some better contract choices, but will letting Darren Helm walk and having AA make us a 2nd round playoff team? I dont think it does -- in addition there are no more BIG FISH out there to sign anyways, even if you saved a bunch of cap space, who they gonna get? ...

I think the main issue I have, is that Holland is getting blamed for bad contracts, when the players should be blame for not living up to 3-4mil contracts as 2nd tier players.

WAY too many guys, just not playing to their capabilities is a much bigger problem than the contracts that Holland has handed by way of looking at the player and what they make.

The only solution, is to trade out players and take peanuts back to clear space to sign your young player and hope some of them become another Z / Datsyuk.
- BooBoo997

Get out of here with your nonsensical logic.

Canucks have it in the bag, step aside
- LeftCoaster

Rag but you have two aging super Swedes to hold your team above our one aging super Swede. And ours may or may not be around anymore. ...

Get out of here with your nonsensical logic.
- DARKSEID

I thought I was on hfboards for a minute

It was bound to happen at some point.

People will likely point at drafting, signings etc and immediately blame Holland. But as a Wings fan from 89'... I have a bit different take.

To me the downfall was clearly attributed to 3 factors:

-Not finishing poor enough in 10years to draft (1) elite dman and / or proper depth on the backend.

-Not having suspected players fill the voids of the top players (IE - Tatar/Nyquist not filling Datsyuk/Zetterberg's shoes).

-The Wings always just slightly better then they really were in the last 5 years because of Datsyuk/Zetterberg, this made Holland continue to try and build around those two, despite their age slowly catching up with them.

Basically, Holland's pension to try and stay competitive, and reasonably so, instead of being terrible for 10years like CHI, LA and PITs did before their got a fresh start with elite talent.

BUT even that doesnt guarantee anything, playing kids doesnt guarantee anything so Im not going to say Holland could have made some better contract choices, but will letting Darren Helm walk and having AA make us a 2nd round playoff team? I dont think it does -- in addition there are no more BIG FISH out there to sign anyways, even if you saved a bunch of cap space, who they gonna get? ...

I think the main issue I have, is that Holland is getting blamed for bad contracts, when the players should be blame for not living up to 3-4mil contracts as 2nd tier players.

WAY too many guys, just not playing to their capabilities is a much bigger problem than the contracts that Holland has handed by way of looking at the player and what they make.

The only solution, is to trade out players and take peanuts back to clear space to sign your young player and hope some of them become another Z / Datsyuk.
- BooBoo997

I still marvel to this day about the 2002 detroit red wings ....ridiculous team

I still marvel to this day about the 2002 detroit red wings ....ridiculous team
- Alexzanki

I (frank)ing hate them so much.

Detroit is a mess...(their hockey team too)

Detroit is a mess...(their hockey team too)
- BashCH

I (frank)ing hate them so much.


- BINGO!

That's what you (frank)s get for offer sheeting Fedorov.

Detroit is a mess...(their hockey team too)
- BashCH

tabarnak

That's what you (frank)s get for offer sheeting Fedorov.
- Feds91Stammer

$18 million per year!

Eklund: Andreas Athanasiou Likley Heading to the KHL? Buzz@Noon
- Eklund

so Duchene>Buffalo>Detroit?
What are you hearing is involved in all this?

$18 million per year!
- BINGO!

The good old days

What was Sakic's deal? He had a nuts one if I remember right.

I was leaning towards on here, hun
- RLexi1996

save yourself some headaches, don't believe 90% of the blogs, revere in the hilarity of the comments

Rag but you have two aging super Swedes to hold your team above our one aging super Swede. And ours may or may not be around anymore. ...
- RafiDRW

Ours are only signed for one more year though

The good old days

What was Sakic's deal? He had a nuts one if I remember right.
- AdamFrench

If only he had a clause in his contract that said no snow blowers amirite

Go and call Kane a rapist in JJ's blog. That'll get you used to the worst of the worst here.
- RafiDRW

That place is a cesspool. They were horrendous during the 2013 finals.

The good old days

What was Sakic's deal? He had a nuts one if I remember right.
- AdamFrench

$17 million in 1997-98 then only $2 mill the next two years

That top line and pairing in Detroit in 2002 made more money than the entire Hurricanes team.

so Duchene>Buffalo>Detroit?
What are you hearing is involved in all this?
- corduroy

3 way deal

DET gets Eichel

BUF gets Duchene and Barrie

COL gets 1 year supply of Little Caesars and Larkin

The good old days

What was Sakic's deal? He had a nuts one if I remember right.
- AdamFrench

11 million with forsberg earning 12 million....yes i'm the loser who still has his hockey news pool guide from 03