Nobody, including myself has disputed that the Flyers took a high level of point shots last season. What is in dispute is why they did.




Can you provide these quotes? I'd like to read them and read where they say they didn't like Hakstol's system and that they were directed to bypass higher quality chances and plays in order to get the puck back to the point because the coach ordered them to do so.
- MJL

I would like to read these quotes by the players as well. Hextall has always headed this team in a certain direction. Berube and Hakstol in my opinion Coach a similar system, one Hextall is in favor of.

Okay. Are the Philadelphia Flyers currently better than the New York Rangers, Washington Capitals, Columbus Blue Jackets and Cup defending champions Pittsburgh Penguins?
- SuperSchennBros

Columbus is overrated. The other 3, no. I've said this team will be wild card or bust for a few more seasons.

The Flyers last year were anti-stats people's wet dream: empty Corsi stuffers, which led to no tangible offense.

That you-know-who is defending the empty Corsi stuffing is such delicious irony I wish it were a buffet and I brought a bucket.

I just feel we downgraded in the most important position on the ice, which I said in goal. Plus Elliot will be playing in front of a very young and very inexperienced defense, in a very tough division.
- SuperSchennBros

So you're overly concerned about Elliot after he out played that absolute wall King Henry was last season?

Elliot: GAA: 2.55, SV%: 910

Lundqvist: GAA: 2.74, SV%: 910

Love Voracek. Hopefully he and G get their games back this season. As go those two, so go the Flyers.
- Pelle31Forever

Would like to see him hit the net more times on clear cut opportunities.

Would like to see him hit the net more times on clear cut opportunities.
- Bonerfide69

Agree 100%

so Giroux isn't on the top centers list? but i thought he scores a lot?

For fun I sold people fake eclipse glasses in the hope they go blind.

Was this wrong?
- Mononoke

If naturopaths can get away with this then you're fine

Would like to see him hit the net more times on clear cut opportunities.
- Bonerfide69

This guy did to but scored almost 50 goals one season

The Flyers last year were anti-stats people's wet dream: empty Corsi stuffers, which led to no tangible offense.

That you-know-who is defending the empty Corsi stuffing is such delicious irony I wish it were a buffet and I brought a bucket.
- Mononoke

If you're referring to me, you have it wrong again. I'm not defending anything. I'm simply offering a well thought out hypothesis on why the Flyers were a team that took a lot of point shots. Saying that is the coaches system and what he prefers over better quality opportunities is flat out absurd. What coach who attained a level of coaching to the point where he was hired to coach an NHL team would design such a system based around the lowest percentage shot in hockey?

The Flyers were however a perfect example of why shot generation while important is overrated. What kind of shots you take matter more.

bro, Hakstol plays minecraft
- YuenglingJagr

He strikes me as a guy who strictly plays Solitaire on his Windows XP operating PC.

When he is feeling in the mood for adventure, he switches to Spider Solitaire.

He strikes me as a guy who strictly plays Solitaire on his Windows XP operating PC.

When he is feeling in the mood for adventure, he switches to Spider Solitaire.
- Mononoke

If naturopaths can get away with this then you're fine
- Giroux_Is_God

Should've clarified that I am actually a naturopath, as well as a chiropractor and village shaman. I have a lot of clout when it comes to fake eclipse glasses.

Should've clarified that I am actually a naturopath, as well as a chiropractor and village shaman. I have a lot of clout when it comes to fake eclipse glasses.
- Mononoke

nicely done

If naturopaths can get away with this then you're fine
- Giroux_Is_God

Where is the Oxycodone you promised

I've been staring at the sun for hours. Didn't see anything.

Still don't see anything.

I've been staring at the sun for hours. Didn't see anything.

Still don't see anything.
- Mordecai

I found it extremely disappointing. As I was driving I saw a bunch of people outside looking that didn't seem all that impressed.

I've been staring at the sun for hours. Didn't see anything.

Still don't see anything.
- Mordecai

Did you use the glasses I gave you?

so Giroux isn't on the top centers list? but i thought he scores a lot?
- 2Real

What games were you watching?

What games were you watching?
- MBFlyerfan

When Jagr helped him out

dude is ready
- Scoob

ready to be committed

No, I think you and others are making this narrative up.

It starts in the defensive end of the ice. If you spend too much time hemmed in and too much time defending and therefore playing a lot of dump and chase hockey, you wind up constantly trying to create offense against all 5 defenders back and that's a tough way to play. If you become a better team in the neutral zone and on the forecheck, and spend less time defending you create far more higher quality chances for your team. It's a question of talent and ability. Especially when your #1 center is struggling physically and is a perimeter player. Hakstol struggled all season trying to come up with a consistent lineup. If only he knew that all he had to do was change from the point shot offensive system to the higher percentage slot shot system! Just write that on the blackboard in the pregame meeting and it just happens!

Also a point shot is a higher percentage shot than no shot at all, so if that's all you're able to generate consistently than using the points with traffic at the net can produce some offense. That is a tactic that every team employs. Some teams are simply better teams and are able to generate a higher volume of quality chances and don't have to do that as much.The volume of point shots the Flyers took last year is a symptom of how well they played and their overall talent level and not a product of the coaches system which favors that over better quality opportunities.
- MJL

I tend to agree with this angle more than the other one, however I think there is a bit of both going on here. I think Hak allowed it to go on a bit more than other coaches in the league would have.
I just see him having no issue with Amac throwing a weak wrister where 1 out every 40 times it goes in itself or on a rebound. High fives all around.
Rather than a ghost taking the puck himself, trying to create and turning it into 5 goals, 10 turnovers, 3 that end up in the back of his net. Press box popcorn time

I tend to agree with this angle more than the other one, however I think there is a bit of both going on here. I think Hak allowed it to go on a bit more than other coaches in the league would have.
I just see him having no issue with Amac throwing a weak wrister where 1 out every 40 times it goes in itself or on a rebound. High fives all around.
Rather than a ghost taking the puck himself, trying to create and turning it into 5 goals, 10 turnovers, 3 that end up in the back of his net. Press box popcorn time
- Just5

In my opinion your characterization of why Hakstol sat Gostisbehere is not accurate. His offensive creativity and risk taking with the puck is not why he sat in my opinion.

In my opinion your characterization of why Hakstol sat Gostisbehere is not accurate. His offensive creativity and risk taking with the puck is not why he sat in my opinion.
- MJL

Some hyperbole going on there. Ghost did deserve to sit last season on merit. He was in a bad place for a bit there.

If you're referring to me, you have it wrong again. I'm not defending anything. I'm simply offering a well thought out hypothesis on why the Flyers were a team that took a lot of point shots. Saying that is the coaches system and what he prefers over better quality opportunities is flat out absurd. What coach who attained a level of coaching to the point where he was hired to coach an NHL team would design such a system based around the lowest percentage shot in hockey?

The Flyers were however a perfect example of why shot generation while important is overrated. What kind of shots you take matter more.
- MJL

If it isn't what he wanted then why did he let it happen all season?

Many of the flyers players were fine getting through the neutral zone and into the offensive zone. Especially the forwards we are saying had bad seasons. It was the two ends that were an issue