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Baxter27
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.03.2007

Aug 21 @ 12:17 PM ET
Simmonds - prime years
Voracek - prime years
Konecny - rising star
Provorov - rising star
Gostisbehere - rising star

Giroux - declining
Filppula - declining
Read - declining
Raffl - declining
Elliot - declining
Lehtera - Who knows what the (frank)

Couturier - inconsistent

Neuvirth - injury prone

Gudas - good/overrated by fans

Patrick - Rising star/inexperienced/injury prone
Lindblom - inexperienced
Morin - inexperienced
Sanheim - inexperienced
Hagg - inexperienced

MacDonald - Not Good
Weise - Not Good
Laughton - Not Good

Weal - Nobody knows

A lot of question marks with this team and things can go either way. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong but I expect bumps and bruises and for this team to be as frustrating as any.

- SuperSchennBros


So all players you labeled as declining you expect to be worse than they were last year? That's a bleak outlook.

Giroux is no longer a Hart trophy candidate but I don't see him declining past the rock bottom he hit last season. I think you're too hung up on the prime years of individuals. It's all about getting the most out of the team you have assembled. There is always going to be surprises on each team, good or bad ; Bounce backs, break outs or disappointments.
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Aug 21 @ 12:20 PM ET
I'm not a doctor btw in case anyone was curious
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Aug 21 @ 12:24 PM ET
I'm not a doctor btw in case anyone was curious
- Mordecai


But did you stay at a Holiday Inn Express?
Konalover
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: HI
Joined: 11.03.2015

Aug 21 @ 12:39 PM ET
But did you stay at a Holiday Inn Express?
- dragonoffrost
I play one on TV and I say if you wanna live the eclipse super simple....close your eyes during the day.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Aug 21 @ 12:43 PM ET
Simmonds - prime years
Voracek - prime years
Konecny - rising star
Provorov - rising star
Gostisbehere - rising star

Giroux - declining
Filppula - declining
Read - declining
Raffl - declining
Elliot - declining
Lehtera - Who knows what the (frank)

Couturier - inconsistent

Neuvirth - injury prone

Gudas - good/overrated by fans

Patrick - Rising star/inexperienced/injury prone
Lindblom - inexperienced
Morin - inexperienced
Sanheim - inexperienced
Hagg - inexperienced

MacDonald - Not Good
Weise - Not Good
Laughton - Not Good

Weal - Nobody knows

A lot of question marks with this team and things can go either way. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong but I expect bumps and bruises and for this team to be as frustrating as any.

- SuperSchennBros


What about Myers - oh please
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Aug 21 @ 12:55 PM ET
The New York times has a nice eclipse steam if you can't watch like me
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Aug 21 @ 1:19 PM ET
The New York times has a nice eclipse steam if you can't watch like me
- Mordecai



OOOOOOOOOOH


AHHHHHHHHHHH
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Aug 21 @ 1:22 PM ET
So all players you labeled as declining you expect to be worse than they were last year? That's a bleak outlook.
- Baxter27


Radko Gudas - Overrated by fans, underrated by a fan who named himself after the Schenns.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Aug 21 @ 1:50 PM ET
The New York times has a nice eclipse steam if you can't watch like me
- Mordecai


Philadelphia region

http://www.nbcphiladelphi...lipse-Live-441286953.html
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Aug 21 @ 1:59 PM ET
Philadelphia region

http://www.nbcphiladelphi...lipse-Live-441286953.html

- Scoob

this is (frank)ing thrilling
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Aug 21 @ 2:03 PM ET
For fun I sold people fake eclipse glasses in the hope they go blind.

Was this wrong?
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Aug 21 @ 2:05 PM ET
For fun I sold people fake eclipse glasses in the hope they go blind.

Was this wrong?

- Mononoke


Depends - what's your profit margin?
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Aug 21 @ 2:05 PM ET
For fun I sold people fake eclipse glasses in the hope they go blind.

Was this wrong?

- Mononoke

as long as you promised them they were real I think you are okay legally
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Aug 21 @ 2:09 PM ET
Depends - what's your profit margin?
- Scoob


What I lost in money, I gained in sadistic glee.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Aug 21 @ 2:11 PM ET
What I lost in money, I gained in sadistic glee.
- Mononoke



I can't look at your pic without cracking up every time.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Aug 21 @ 2:13 PM ET
as long as you promised them they were real I think you are okay legally
- YuenglingJagr


jmatchett's family bought some
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Aug 21 @ 2:16 PM ET
jmatchett's family bought some
- Mononoke

Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Aug 21 @ 2:16 PM ET
I can't look at your pic without cracking up every time.
- MBFlyerfan


I still don't understand it
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Aug 21 @ 2:17 PM ET
I still don't understand it
- Mononoke

I get it now
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 21 @ 2:19 PM ET
No comments on the NHL networks top 20 NHL center list? Giroux's absence expected, unexpected? Bogus?
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Aug 21 @ 2:19 PM ET
So all players you labeled as declining you expect to be worse than they were last year? That's a bleak outlook.

Giroux is no longer a Hart trophy candidate but I don't see him declining past the rock bottom he hit last season. I think you're too hung up on the prime years of individuals. It's all about getting the most out of the team you have assembled. There is always going to be surprises on each team, good or bad ; Bounce backs, break outs or disappointments.

- Baxter27


...And you might be right on all counts. Right now, I'm just seeing a lot of decline and a lot of inexperienced and very little middle ground between the two. I don't like our goaltending. Our defense is gonna super young. I just don't like our balance right now. This is me trying to be objective. Speaking with more of my head than my heart. Plus, I take into consideration that we play in probably the toughest division in all of hockey. Do you really believe Samuel Morin cannot be absolute schooled by Sidney Crosby, Alex Ovtchkin, Geno Malkin or John Tavares? I expect Hank Lundqvist an absolute wall, as he is every year.

I'm not trying to bring doom and goom to the board but reality.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Aug 21 @ 2:20 PM ET
No comments on the NHL networks top 20 NHL center list? Giroux's absence expected, unexpected? Bogus?
- MJL

expected
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Aug 21 @ 2:22 PM ET
On Flyers serious business talk, I'm not saying it's the singular reason, but I don't discount the effect Hakstol has had on Jake and Giroux, but more Jake because this came out of nowhere, but he doesn't look any different physically (besides late in the 1st year with that nagging injury).

His entire game is based on skill, holding onto the puck, CREATING. But Hakstol's offensive system is predicated on perimeter play, low to high up to the point, have d-men shoot from a mile out for tips, forwards not geared to create much themselves. That's fine, but it's been to absurd proportions their primary method of offense. And it flies in the face of Jake's game. You can see him overthinking out there, losing confidence, and this has probably been a reason why.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Aug 21 @ 2:26 PM ET
Flyers have next to no chance at competing with the teams that have Crosby, OV, etc.

That's my view anyway. Last year, this year and the next few are largely irrelevant as are the prime years of G,V, and Simmonds.

The window opens when the current top teams start to die off and the new Flyers core starts becoming of age.

It's the years when Patrick, Konec, Provorov, etc lead this team that are truly important. The present is simply a walk through a desert.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Aug 21 @ 2:28 PM ET
On Flyers serious business talk, I'm not saying it's the singular reason, but I don't discount the effect Hakstol has had on Jake and Giroux, but more Jake because this came out of nowhere, but he doesn't look any different physically (besides late in the 1st year with that nagging injury).

His entire game is based on skill, holding onto the puck, CREATING. But Hakstol's offensive system is predicated on perimeter play, low to high up to the point, have d-men shoot from a mile out for tips, forwards not geared to create much themselves. That's fine, but it's been to absurd proportions their primary method of offense. And it flies in the face of Jake's game. You can see him overthinking out there, losing confidence, and this has probably been a reason why.

- Mononoke


He won't be here in 3-4 years, I truly believe that. He isn't that good, and has too many flaws. Nature of the business. Club just needs to continue to draft well and (hopefully) let these kids play meaningful minutes.
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