Yet Oreilly gets the benefit of playing a PP unit (where he does a bulk of his scoring) with Jack Eichel. Which not all centers have that luxury.
- sbroads24

fun fact....Matt Duchene out scored ROR (32 to 31 pts & 14 to 11 goals) at 5v5, had a higher 5v5 cf% (51-49.5) and had a better FO% (62.6-58%)...yet one is considered trash right now bc of a bad season and the other is considered the superior center that the Avs were dumb to trade away.

Not trying to take a shot at ROR, its just more to how people are saying Duchene is trash and Sakic is stupid for asking too much...even a bad year he puts up nice underlying numbers

I called him one of the best #2 Centers in hockey.

I am sorry I am not a giant homer that thinks everyone of our players are All-Stars.

O'Reilly is excellent.
- sbroads24

Wasn't O'Reilly an All Star two years ago?

You could make this case for other players on that list too.

In no particular order

1. Crosby
2. McDavid
3. Seguin
4. Tavares
5. Bergeron
6. Malkin
7. Matthews
8. Eichel
9. Backstrom
10. Scheifele
11. Getzlaf
12. Stamkos
13. Toews
14. Kopitar
15. Barkov
16. Monahan
17. Mackinnon
18. Johansen
19. Draisaitl
20. Giroux
21. Jeff Carter
22. Kuznetsov


Then you have a bunch of guys like


Krejci
O'Reilly
Turris
Couture
Staal
Granlund
Trochek
Kelser
Kadri
Wenneberg
Spezza

Who are all in the tier below.

I guess you could make the case for 25-27.
- sbroads24

I'd like to see the list of the top30 centers PPG
Since u brought that up

If O'Reilly is 24, then his defense should move him up higher
ALL these centers play with very good talent on their respective PP
I'd say MOST also play with better wingers on their lines
And have better defensemen moving the puck up the ice
And don't have to play the tough situations like O'Reilly does

Those are all things that should move him up
Only thing you've said to move him down was his amount of icetime
Which is a fine point...
but doesn't even come close to outweighing all of the above

fun fact....Matt Duchene out scored ROR (32 to 31 pts & 14 to 11 goals) at 5v5, had a higher 5v5 cf% (51-49.5) and had a better FO% (62.6-58%)...yet one is considered trash right now bc of a bad season and the other is considered the superior center that the Avs were dumb to trade away.

Not trying to take a shot at ROR, its just more to how people are saying Duchene is trash and Sakic is stupid for asking too much...even a bad year he puts up nice underlying numbers
- DDM-Coga

I forgot about Duchene.

ROR is the same guy he was at 20 years old when he had his first 55 point year.

A solid two-way 55 point guy. A great #2 Center

I forgot about Duchene.

ROR is the same guy he was at 20 years old when he had his first 55 point year.

A solid two-way 55 point guy. A great #2 Center
- sbroads24

dont disagree, thats been his calling card. Healthy and consistent. Dont think he could ever hit 70pts in a season but thats not what hes paid to do

If The Avs had a half ass PP the past 3 years, Duchene would be everyones wet dreams. 1st PP time and only 9pts to show for it...Thats just how bad it was ran under Tim Army those years. Dead last, designed to feed Iggy onetimes. Spoiler it never worked

I'd like to see the list of the top30 centers PPG
Since u brought that up

If O'Reilly is 24, then his defense should move him up higher
ALL these centers play with very good talent on their respective PP
I'd say MOST also play with better wingers on their lines
And have better defensemen moving the puck up the ice
And don't have to play the tough situations like O'Reilly does

Those are all things that should move him up
Only thing you've said to move him down was his amount of icetime
Which is a fine point...
but doesn't even come close to outweighing all of the above
- jdfitz77

A lof of them do.

This is the narrative I hate. People act like guys like ROR play every position including goalie, while guys like Eichel lay down and take a nap in the defensive zone.

ROR is a great player, but if he was my #1 center, I'd be looking to upgrade.

O'Reilly wasn't in the Myers trade, why u sh!ting on him now! Hate to say boys, but the Sabres's will finally be a team that could win every night and make a run at a playoff spot! Deal with it, all this negativity and stat bullish!t is just getting old!

Stats have no room here on this site
- Irish 14

Hahahahaha
Love it!

Kane bashing to commence in 3...2...1...

Because I have watched him "enough" to make a valid assessment

Why not?
All u do is talk stats on here
Would've been fun to kick your butt! Hahaha
- jdfitz77

He won two of three money leagues!! Doubtful you would of beat him. He's gonna have his own ff show on espn next year.

dont disagree, thats been his calling card. Healthy and consistent. Dont think he could ever hit 70pts in a season but thats not what hes paid to do

If The Avs had a half ass PP the past 3 years, Duchene would be everyones wet dreams. 1st PP time and only 9pts to show for it...Thats just how bad it was ran under Tim Army those years. Dead last, designed to feed Iggy onetimes. Spoiler it never worked
- DDM-Coga

Right, and I want my #1 Center to have the ability to hit 70 points on a yearly basis.

He won two of three money leagues!! Doubtful you would of beat him. He's gonna have his own ff show on espn next year.
- Fattony1187

Hey how's Tyrod doing lately?

He seems to have great chemistry with that Eagles reciever already. Darby, I think his name is?

A lof of them do.

This is the narrative I hate. People act like guys like ROR play every position including goalie, while guys like Eichel lay down and take a nap in the defensive zone.

ROR is a great player, but if he was my #1 center, I'd be looking to upgrade.
- sbroads24

He's not our #1 Center...
so why do u keep using that narrative?

ROR is significantly better than Jack defensively,
and many others on that list as well

U say crap like he plays with Jack on the PP...
well which of those centers don't play with elite PP talent?

There's multiple reason to move him up from 24th
And you've provided only 1 to move him down that hold water (icetime)

No one is saying he's Tavares
Just that you're undervaluing him by putting him in the 30s
And seemingly the only reason is bc he plays a lot

It doesn't make sense

I forgot about Duchene.

ROR is the same guy he was at 20 years old when he had his first 55 point year.

A solid two-way 55 point guy. A great #2 Center
- sbroads24

There's not 30+ ""#1" centers though!!!

He won two of three money leagues!! Doubtful you would of beat him. He's gonna have his own ff show on espn next year.
- Fattony1187

He said that?

SBROADS...
if that's true, u should've backed it up & joined Gerbe's league

There's not 30+ ""#1" centers though!!!
- jdfitz77

Maybe not.

I already said that you could make the case he's in the 25-27 range.

Maybe not.

I already said that you could make the case he's in the 25-27 range.
- sbroads24

And that's still knocking him down from his 24th ppg status

I've listed multiple reasons to boost him up

How does your ONE reason to bump him down outweigh those?

And that's still knocking him down from his 24th ppg status

I've listed multiple reasons to boost him up

How does your ONE reason to bump him down outweigh those?
- jdfitz77

Not really my argument here but I think the disconnect is in who on that list should be a #1C.

I think ROR is universally recognized as one of the best 2C's in the game. so where he fits on a list is entirely dependant on where you think the cut off is. if there are 30 #1C then hes probably just below that. If there are only 15 same deal.

Not really my argument here but I think the disconnect is in who on that list should be a #1C.

I think ROR is universally recognized as one of the best 2C's in the game. so where he fits on a list is entirely dependant on where you think the cut off is. if there are 30 #1C then hes probably just below that. If there are only 15 same deal.
- Sabresfan-365

The only one who keeps bringing up the narrative of "1C" is SBROADS
By his own words,
he said O'Reilly is 24th in PPG
That's the baseline that he set
Then moved him down bc his icetime is so high

That's fair, except there's MORE reasons to move him up the list

Not really my argument here but I think the disconnect is in who on that list should be a #1C.

I think ROR is universally recognized as one of the best 2C's in the game. so where he fits on a list is entirely dependant on where you think the cut off is. if there are 30 #1C then hes probably just below that. If there are only 15 same deal.
- Sabresfan-365

Agreed.

It's also based on opportunity.

For example, Couture scores similarly to O'Reilly, plays great at both ends, but only plays 17 minutes a night. 4 minutes less than ROR

How much more would Couture score on our #1 unit with 4 extra minutes of ice time?

You could make this case for other players on that list too.

In no particular order

1. Crosby
2. McDavid
3. Seguin
4. Tavares
5. Bergeron
6. Malkin
7. Matthews
8. Eichel
9. Backstrom
10. Scheifele
11. Getzlaf
12. Stamkos
13. Toews
14. Kopitar
15. Barkov
16. Monahan
17. Mackinnon
18. Johansen
19. Draisaitl
20. Giroux
21. Jeff Carter
22. Kuznetsov


Then you have a bunch of guys like


Krejci
O'Reilly
Turris
Couture
Staal
Granlund
Trochek
Kelser
Kadri
Wenneberg
Spezza

Who are all in the tier below.

I guess you could make the case for 25-27.
- sbroads24

Draisaitl isn't a center, and I'd rather have ROR over Carter.

Yet Oreilly gets the benefit of playing a PP unit (where he does a bulk of his scoring) with Jack Eichel. Which not all centers have that luxury.
- sbroads24

EVG PPG EVA PPA

19 9 23 13

14 2 27 10

ROR's last 2 years in COL, so there goes your "he's only good on the PP." The Sabres can't score 5v5. But on a team that can score halfway decent he is still really good and actually put up career best numbers.

EVG PPG EVA PPA

19 9 23 13

14 2 27 10

ROR's last 2 years in COL, so there goes your "he's only good on the PP." The Sabres can't score 5v5. But on a team that can score halfway decent he is still really good and actually put up career best numbers.
- Wetbandit1

Never said he's "only good on the PP".

Also, his 28 goal 64 point year has been an outlier, and he hasnt scored that much 5 on 5(goals) since

Draisaitl isn't a center, and I'd rather have ROR over Carter.
- Wetbandit1

yes, he is. Just played wing a lot last year.

Year before he was centering Hall

Played center this post season

Draisaitl isn't a center, and I'd rather have ROR over Carter.
- Wetbandit1

Carter is another guy who people pretend isn't excellent defensively, while also scoring 25 goals and 65 points almost every year

ROR is amazing at not taking penalties for a guy who plays 200 feet

yes, he is. Just played wing a lot last year.

Year before he was centering Hall

Played center this post season
- sbroads24

No, he's not. If he centers his own line all this year and then into the future, then sure, he's a center, until then, he's not.

And I never said Carter was bad, he's really good. I'd still rather have ROR than him though.