Victoro311
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Location: San Diego, CA Joined: 06.17.2014
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Exactly what I said. Keep up the good work 😑 - Aerchon
Well you said it would be just like calling Malkin a depth guy, so I was just making sure we were on the sameness page. Comparing Larsson to Malkin is a garbage analysis. Larsson is no where near Malkin. |
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HB77
Edmonton Oilers |
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Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid Joined: 02.20.2007
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So Larsson is a no brainer first ballot HoFer and one of the best his country has ever produced to ever dawn an NHL sweater? Got it. - Victoro311
Pay no mind- buddy thinks Larsson Is on par with oel or giordano
He's a quality defender, and the trade wasn't a solid lopsided as I originally thought it would be.
But yeah- he's no star. Just a physical, responsible defender with some room to grow offensively |
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HB77
Edmonton Oilers |
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Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid Joined: 02.20.2007
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Well you said it would be just like calling Malkin a depth guy, so I was just making sure we were on the sameness page. Comparing Larsson to Malkin is a garbage analysis. Larsson is no where near Malkin. - Victoro311
He doesn't belong in the same breath as the echelon malkin is in at his position.
Ones a superstar and one of the games very best. The other is a solid player that teams need to win championships - a 2/3 |
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RW: "there may be a new contestant entering the ring."
We actually discussed RNH in-depth a while ago. In your blog comment section. And talked about all the same things you just did. |
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I clearly said "like" not exactly. And followed it with incredibly ignorant.
Great word smiths on here. Hope nobody actually gets paid for interpreting the written word or they are in trouble.
Malkin is Pittsburgh second line center. Larsson is arguably Edmonton best defensman. A number 2 on any team, especially Pittsburgh. |
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HB77
Edmonton Oilers |
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Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid Joined: 02.20.2007
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I clearly said "like" not exactly. And followed it with incredibly ignorant.
Great word smiths on here. Hope nobody actually gets paid for interpreting the written word or they are in trouble.
Malkin is Pittsburgh second line center. Larsson is arguably Edmonton best defensman. A number 2 on any team, especially Pittsburgh. - Aerchon
There is absolutely no argument. Klefbom is far and away the oilers 1.
And there's tons of teams larssons not a 2 on. Or at least wouldn't be their 2nd best dmanz
Cgy, tbay, st.loo, la, San Jose, nash, Anaheim, nyr, Chicago,
And those are just off the top of my head. There's undoubtedly more. But yeah, I like him . Good player and pretty comfortable with him on our top pairing |
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Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins |
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Location: San Diego, CA Joined: 06.17.2014
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I clearly said "like" not exactly. And followed it with incredibly ignorant.
Great word smiths on here. Hope nobody actually gets paid for interpreting the written word or they are in trouble.
Malkin is Pittsburgh second line center. Larsson is arguably Edmonton best defensman. A number 2 on any team, especially Pittsburgh. - Aerchon
It's not even like, dude. Larsson is a second pairing defenseman. He'd be a number 2 on teams with bad d cores. Yeah, Pitt probably being one of them. Two totally different stratospheres. Analytically speaking, Larsson evaluates at as a bottom pairing guy, so yeah, there are arguments to be made that he's depth. It's not crazy. You absurdly overvalue him. |
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Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins |
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Location: San Diego, CA Joined: 06.17.2014
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There is absolutely no argument. Klefbom is far and away the oilers 1.
And there's tons of teams larssons not a 2 on. Or at least wouldn't be their 2nd best dmanz
Cgy, tbay, st.loo, la, San Jose, nash, Anaheim, nyr, Chicago,
And those are just off the top of my head. There's undoubtedly more. But yeah, I like him . Good player and pretty comfortable with him on our top pairing - HB77
Christ. The crazies fan bases have, huh? |
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madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins |
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Location: Pittsburgh, PA Joined: 12.21.2006
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Saying Adam Larsson is a depth player and non descript is like saying Malkin is a depth player and non descript. Incredibly ignorant. If you have never watched him play you should just say so instead of making ridiculous statements like those.
Good to see, and surprisingly after the Larsson comments, you value RNH adequately.
RNH gets lots of praise from his teammates, his coaches, and his GM. I don't believe he gets traded until at least the trade deadline and depending how the season goes for him/Edmonton there is still a 50/50 chance they move others instead of him.
For certain RNH will not be traded for a left shooting defender and the Oilers will need a lot more cap space than 2 million if trading him.
If Nuge goes I imagine it's for picks and prospects only. - Aerchon
You might want to try another player for your analogy.
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HB77
Edmonton Oilers |
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Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid Joined: 02.20.2007
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Christ. The crazies fan bases have, huh? - Victoro311
Yep
We all got em. totally unable to be objective about home team guy
AS I said, I like him. BRings a quality skillset that really helps us.
Him and klef are good together.
But yeah- he is what he is for now |
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2centz
Edmonton Oilers |
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Location: AB Joined: 08.04.2015
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Edmonton has $8m in cap space for this season,RNH isn't going anywhere this year. The Oilers also have tons of D in the system right now. Their prospect pool on D,isn't what it was when Schultz was expected to save the D. There is no chance Matta will get RNH out of Edmonton.
If the Oilers continue along while Sekera is injured,it could be him and his $5.5m that is moved out of town,next offseason. The Oilers also she'd Mark Faynes contract after this year, and Maroon will not me back,as he will be looking for a raise too. The Oilers have a couple young forwards and Defence coming on entry level deals,that will ease some of their cap crunch next year,so I don't think it's written in stone that RNH will be moved. McLellan loves RNH's versatility,and two way game as well.
I believe there will be veterans willing to sign on the cheap,like this year,to play with Connor and company,that will also help any cap crunches moving forward. The Wild have also already offered Brodin for RNH,so in my opinion,Olli as an offer for RNH will only result in the phone being hung up. The Penguins have nothing else Edmonton would want either,so the Pens will have to find their 3C elsewhere,but that's only my 2centz. Letestu also won't be getting paid what he is after this year,if he wants to stick around too. Chiarelli isn't hooped at all. |
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rbaurle51
Pittsburgh Penguins |
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Location: McKees Rocks, PA Joined: 09.20.2014
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If we could acquire rnh for a low value, I'd absolutely do it. But so would everyone else. Lol
Chiarelli is a complete turdball and I wouldn't doubt him undervalueing rnh for someone like sheary, horny, maybe cole? Someone like that.
Still want duchene but not for the price. Sakic is cookoo for cocoa puffs |
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2centz
Edmonton Oilers |
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Location: AB Joined: 08.04.2015
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If we could acquire rnh for a low value, I'd absolutely do it. But so would everyone else. Lol
Chiarelli is a complete turdball and I wouldn't doubt him undervalueing rnh for someone like sheary, horny, maybe cole? Someone like that.
Still want duchene but not for the price. Sakic is cookoo for cocoa puffs - rbaurle51
I'll take a bag of whatever you guys are smoking. The Penguins have nothing the Oilers would want. Your cupboards are bare. How many GM's in the league currently,have a Stanley Cup ring? Chiarelli is one of them,and is a Harvard grad. He isn't as stupid as his haters like to say he is. Edmonton doesn't need to "lose" a trade,like they did with Hall. There is no glaring holes on the roster anymore. |
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Schultz for Nuge |
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Dcoms
Pittsburgh Penguins |
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Location: Chatham , ON Joined: 06.22.2014
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It's not even like, dude. Larsson is a second pairing defenseman. He'd be a number 2 on teams with bad d cores. Yeah, Pitt probably being one of them. Two totally different stratospheres. Analytically speaking, Larsson evaluates at as a bottom pairing guy, so yeah, there are arguments to be made that he's depth. It's not crazy. You absurdly overvalue him. - Victoro311
Analytics cannot properly evaluate a dmans worth. It's one of their biggest flaws. Offensive production is not a dmans job it's a bonus. Larsson is a shutdown, stay at home dman. He's the perfect partner for an offensive minded guy on the top pairing. The Malkin argument is ridiculous though. |
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BlackhawkDown
Chicago Blackhawks |
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Location: Peterborough, ON Joined: 08.01.2012
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No team that is great at cap management like the pens are should be paying 6m for a third line centre. 4m max, otherwise why not pay Bonino? |
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Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins |
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Location: San Diego, CA Joined: 06.17.2014
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Analytics cannot properly evaluate a dmans worth. It's one of their biggest flaws. Offensive production is not a dmans job it's a bonus. Larsson is a shutdown, stay at home dman. He's the perfect partner for an offensive minded guy on the top pairing. The Malkin argument is ridiculous though. - Dcoms
They have analytics for shot suppression which is a D-man's job. Larsson's good at it, but not good enough to make up for his other flaws in being a complete offensive drag to be considered a top pairing guy. Facilitating exits out of your own zone is just as important part of a D man's job as actually suppressing shots. I think he's solidly a second pairing dude, but he's not top pairing caliber. |
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Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins |
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Location: San Diego, CA Joined: 06.17.2014
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No team that is great at cap management like the pens are should be paying 6m for a third line centre. 4m max, otherwise why not pay Bonino? - BlackhawkDown
Because RNH >>>>> Bonino? |
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j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins |
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Location: Tampa, FL Joined: 06.14.2011
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Saying Adam Larsson is a depth player and non descript is like saying Malkin is a depth player and non descript. Incredibly ignorant. If you have never watched him play you should just say so instead of making ridiculous statements like those.
Good to see, and surprisingly after the Larsson comments, you value RNH adequately.
RNH gets lots of praise from his teammates, his coaches, and his GM. I don't believe he gets traded until at least the trade deadline and depending how the season goes for him/Edmonton there is still a 50/50 chance they move others instead of him.
For certain RNH will not be traded for a left shooting defender and the Oilers will need a lot more cap space than 2 million if trading him.
If Nuge goes I imagine it's for picks and prospects only. - Aerchon
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j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins |
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Location: Tampa, FL Joined: 06.14.2011
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NAH- , he's a quality defender
I mean we certainly lost on pure value but he brings a lot of what the oilers needed
got some flaws, but he gives a ton of leeway to klefbom and is really good in his own end and separating the puck . They make a solid top pair. (it's our 2nd with an injured sekera that's an issue) comf with him as a 2, but probably better served as a really good 3.
As far as nuge, they'll sell low for cap space. But not till next offseason - HB77
He may be a quality defender, but I wouldn't want him on my top pairing. I'd rather have him on my 2nd pairing. I don't want guys on the top pairing playing 20+ minutes a night not putting up points. |
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j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins |
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Location: Tampa, FL Joined: 06.14.2011
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I clearly said "like" not exactly. And followed it with incredibly ignorant.
Great word smiths on here. Hope nobody actually gets paid for interpreting the written word or they are in trouble.
Malkin is Pittsburgh second line center. Larsson is arguably Edmonton best defensman. A number 2 on any team, especially Pittsburgh. - Aerchon
Malkin is a no. 1 center on 30 other teams. Larsson is a 3rd defender on 30 other teams. |
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j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins |
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Location: Tampa, FL Joined: 06.14.2011
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Analytics cannot properly evaluate a dmans worth. It's one of their biggest flaws. Offensive production is not a dmans job it's a bonus. Larsson is a shutdown, stay at home dman. He's the perfect partner for an offensive minded guy on the top pairing. The Malkin argument is ridiculous though. - Dcoms
You are a big flaw to humanity. |
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Aussiepenguin
Pittsburgh Penguins |
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Location: Sydney Joined: 08.02.2014
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I would think the Oil are all in this season before the big contract kicks in, they would be crazy to trade Nuge even for another Dman that they could probably get out of Vegas anyway - not saying Vegas has a Maatta equivalent.
Paying 6m for a 3rd line C was discussed through the season & I think I remember everyone squashing that little cherry pretty quick.
I think we are pretty much (frank)ed to be honest. Every other GM knows we will struggle & don't have the resources to provide anything that won't hurt us in a trade & why wouldn't every other GM try & take advantage of the b2b cup champs?
Hopefully JR can manufacture something that he says he already has & just move on. Trying to make the high end trade with no angle will probably end in failure. You heard it here first folks, let's just get a Neville nobody (#69 - good at both ends), & move on. |
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Aussiepenguin
Pittsburgh Penguins |
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Location: Sydney Joined: 08.02.2014
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I'll take a bag of whatever you guys are smoking. The Penguins have nothing that they will trade the Oilers would want. Your cupboards are bare. How many GM's in the league currently,have a Stanley Cup ring? Chiarelli is one of them,and is a Harvard grad. He isn't as stupid as his haters like to say he is. Edmonton doesn't need to "lose" a trade,like they did with Hall. There is no glaring holes on the roster anymore. - 2centz
Kessel for Nuge + a pick? |
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rbaurle51
Pittsburgh Penguins |
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Location: McKees Rocks, PA Joined: 09.20.2014
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Kessel for Nuge + a pick? - Aussiepenguin
Garbage trade man. Kessel means more to us than rnh ever would and a pick from edmonton now really isn't that much. |
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