Are you sure? This could be your biggest hot take yet!
- Aussiepenguin

Live look at anyone reading this thread

Im not the biggest advocate for them lethe but the writers who did this hot stove are, so you know they are up to date with this sort of stuff when they look at player models to determine who they like and not like.

Thats why I hate Ryan Wilson as a writer, all he does is look up Hero Charts and claims a player is good or bad based off a bar graph.

And I didn't make that up,

Calgary gives out a secondary assist on close to 80 per cent of goals. League average is about 71-72 per cent. Huh.

— Travis Yost (@travisyost) August 17, 2017

Former HB writer and TSN fancy stats guy Yost made the point
- DDM-Coga

Ok I hear ya and I've cooled down a bit now. I also believe in those types of stats, but only as secondary tools & supporting info to determine differences/advantages between players. When people start spewing them as reasons to pick one player over another while ignoring the "gospel" of what really counts (goals & points), well that just gets my goat. To use that secondary assist thing as some sort of explanation of how Monahan gets points makes this Yost character look like a total fool IMO. I would be embarrassed if I were him. I'm glad to hear that you are not the "bar graph" type - it has its place - but that's it! Hockey is still played on the ice!

Ok I hear ya and I've cooled down a bit now. I also believe in those types of stats, but only as secondary tools & supporting info to determine differences/advantages between players. When people start spewing them as reasons to pick one player over another while ignoring the "gospel" of what really counts (goals & points), well that just gets my goat. To use that secondary assist thing as some sort of explanation of how Monahan gets points makes this Yost character look like a total fool IMO. I would be embarrassed if I were him. I'm glad to hear that you are not the "bar graph" type - it has its place - but that's it! Hockey is still played on the ice!

- hags11

I like Mony...I live in Calgary and have watched him a lot. He is an enigma at times but the guy is a shooter and legit C in this league.

But when you look at it with all the data around us now, over whelming peoples opinions. You have a bunch of Young Cs who are marginally apart with with total points (granted Wennberg has played less seasons but his ppg is close I believe) in their career but Monahan stands out as the guy with the worst 5v5 cf% and worst Primary Points per 60 out of the bunch so things get skewed.

At least Monahan and MacKinnon have respect face off numbers as a C....Barkov and Wennberg, woof

Are you sure? This could be your biggest hot take yet!
- Aussiepenguin

All of his takes are the biglist. No body in the world has ever had such hot takes. Believe me.

we have better chip flavours.

EH OH CANADA GO!
- DDM-Coga

We have them now too:



Although they don't taste quite the same as the Canadian ones. But still, better than not having them, or having to pay the stupid toll for the bridge just to buy some chips.

All of his takes are the biglist. No body in the world has ever had such hot takes. Believe me.
- Thug_Trump

Coga Hot Takes, get em while they're HOT!

They're ALWAYS HOT!!? (Unlike his beloved Avs................. )

Monahan: career 47.7 5v5 cf%
MacKinnon: career 49 5v5 cf%
Barkov: career 52.2 5v5 cf%
Wennberg: career 50.5 5v5 cf%

These are fancy stats guys, dont forget that. Also looking at Primary Points vs the rest, Mony is considerably lower then the rest.

Just this week I think it was Yost who pointed out that Calgary at home gives out the most secondary assists in the league, considerably higher than league average

Are Flames officials padding Mony and Johnnys stats...my column
- DDM-Coga

If you take out assists completely Monahan still dominates
he has 107 goals, next highest in those comparables is 75
As they say, goals are the hardest to come by, if there is a 2% corsi reduction but the guy can plain score, that trumps period

If you take out assists completely Monahan still dominates
he has 107 goals, next highest in those comparables is 75
As they say, goals are the hardest to come by, if there is a 2% corsi reduction but the guy can plain score, that trumps period
- cpltanto

Also worth considering that Monahan has been joined at the hip with one of the games best wingers for 75% of his career. It's part of the reason as to why you wouldn't be wrong to argue against Draisaitl's inclusion as his greatest success' have come being "zoomed" by an elite linemate (as well as playing on the wing, in Leon's case).

Mackinnon has had talent in Duchene and Landeskog around, but neither are on the same level of elite as a guy like Gaudreau.

Barkov has had an oft-injured Huberdeau and a 40+ year-old Jagr to his flanks and yet again, neither are of Gaudreau's calibre. He's also dealt with his fair share of injuries that have seen his numbers take a hit when they'd otherwise be very close.

Wennberg is a more difficult case to argue due to limit of sample size and whatnot. While it's fair to include him in the conversation, I don't see how he beats out Monahan.

As for the bolded, it's a question of whether or not he's the reason for the goal scoring or whether it's more a byproduct of being paired with such an elite winger. With most other inclusions on the lists, you can see evidence that those players are the best players on their lines (if not their whole teams) and thus are "driving" their production. This isn't the case for Monahan. That's not to say he doesn't have a place in these conversations but it's a hit against him- especially after he struggled so much when Johnny was out last year.

Also worth considering that Monahan has been joined at the hip with one of the games best wingers for 75% of his career. It's part of the reason as to why you wouldn't be wrong to argue against Draisaitl's inclusion as his greatest success' have come being "zoomed" by an elite linemate (as well as playing on the wing, in Leon's case).

Mackinnon has had talent in Duchene and Landeskog around, but neither are on the same level of elite as a guy like Gaudreau.

Barkov has had an oft-injured Huberdeau and a 40+ year-old Jagr to his flanks and yet again, neither are of Gaudreau's calibre. He's also dealt with his fair share of injuries that have seen his numbers take a hit when they'd otherwise be very close.

Wennberg is a more difficult case to argue due to limit of sample size and whatnot. While it's fair to include him in the conversation, I don't see how he beats out Monahan.

As for the bolded, it's a question of whether or not he's the reason for the goal scoring or whether it's more a byproduct of being paired with such an elite winger. With most other inclusions on the lists, you can see evidence that those players are the best players on their lines (if not their whole teams) and thus are "driving" their production. This isn't the case for Monahan. That's not to say he doesn't have a place in these conversations but it's a hit against him- especially after he struggled so much when Johnny was out last year.
- MaximumBone

monahan is a bum, it's ALL LUCK!