Ive had 3 cups already, thats how I stay so skinny
- DDM-Coga

it just makes everybody happier I think

it just makes everybody happier I think
- Codes1087

No it doesn't.

So 52 points is elite now? We're that horrible that we consider 52 points a 1C? Are our expectations so low that we'll take that production to be first line now? I know the team has a lack of talent but that's kind of setting the bar super low don't you think?
- DariusKnight

you are making up nonsense now. No one said Bo is elite or a 1C. Rationale posters are saying he produced at a high 2C pace. $5.5MM per season isn't "elite." Elite is north of $7MM per season.

No it doesn't.
- Marwood

you're always grumpy, nothing will help you dad

it just makes everybody happier I think
- Codes1087

you are making up nonsense now. No one said Bo is elite or a 1C. Rationale posters are saying he produced at a high 2C pace. $5.5MM per season isn't "elite." Elite is north of $7MM per season.
- CanuckDon

Malkin and Draisatl are essentially 2C's being paid north of 7 million lol. Even Kesler as a 2C has a 6.785 cap hit. It's hard to imagine Bo as a 1C on this team when you look at other team's top 2 center's and realize Bo isn't quite up to the same calibre. Not saying he can't one day be, maybe, but as of now, all signs point to Bo being a quality 2C I think

you're always grumpy, nothing will help you dad
- Codes1087

Less stupid people would make me gleeful.

Less stupid people would make me gleeful.
- Marwood

less stupid people would make the world a much happier place, but that unfortunately isn't going to fix itself anytime soon, and you certainly won't see that on hockeybuzz lol

you are making up nonsense now. No one said Bo is elite or a 1C. Rationale posters are saying he produced at a high 2C pace. $5.5MM per season isn't "elite." Elite is north of $7MM per season.
- CanuckDon

For /1/ season... again, most of the 2C who have or have gotten comparable contracts have had production consistently for 2 or 3 years before getting that much money. I've stated it before, if he proves me wrong, so be it and I'll be the first to admit it. I just really push back on the whole idea that we should hand Bo the keys to the city/face of the franchise bit which is what a deal that he IS GOING to get will entail.

Is he a good player, YES, will he make a great captain, YES, is he our best player? By default, YES. That doesn't make him great, it just shows how poor our talent level is and how low our expectations/standards are thanks to years of poor drafting and development. He is probably going to get 6+ years at 5.5+/yr which admittedly in line with what others in his position makes. I've never disputed that, I just want him to prove it for another year before I'd give him that, but I know I'm in the minority.

You stated you'd build your franchise around Bo and that's fine, I wouldn't, and that's not because I don't like Bo or think he couldn't improve to the point that he COULD be that kind of player. I just don't see it right now, I think people who view him have rose-colored glasses on him, and have latched onto him strictly because hell, who else do we have?

Again for the record, based on the comparables that multiple people have posted, he is in line for that 6+ year deal at 5.5+/year and that's fine, I just don't like giving that sort of term/dollars for being the best player on a really bad team when that best player is only the best player by default and not because he was projected to be. That's the last thing I'm going to say on this subject, if he gets that contract and has 3-4 seasons like last year then fine, I was wrong and I'll own up to that. I just don't think he's going to be able to sustain that sort of production given that after the All-Star break, he fell off the cliff offensively while being given 2nd line/top line minutes/opportunities. I hope to be proven wrong.

Malkin and Draisatl are essentially 2C's being paid north of 7 million lol. Even Kesler as a 2C has a 6.785 cap hit. It's hard to imagine Bo as a 1C on this team when you look at other team's top 2 center's and realize Bo isn't quite up to the same calibre. Not saying he can't one day be, maybe, but as of now, all signs point to Bo being a quality 2C I think
- Codes1087

I agree but no other teams have the luxury that Pitts and Edmonton have. That's simply not the norm. If your 2C can score 60 plus points (Bo certainly can) you are in great shape.....obviously we need to find a 1 C

I agree but no other teams have the luxury that Pitts and Edmonton have. That's simply not the norm. If your 2C can score 60 plus points (Bo certainly can) you are in great shape.....obviously we need to find a 1 C
- CanuckDon

the difference between the Canucks and those teams is that they have true 1st line Center's, which sets them apart as being really good teams, and us, not so much. If Bo never surpassed 2nd line center, no one should be mad, because he would be an EXCELLENT 2nd line center for us for a long time. If Bo turns out to be anything like Kesler, who is a damn good 2nd line center, we won't be needing to address that position for potentially the next 7 or 8 years.

We are all Canucks.
- hillbillydeluxe

For /1/ season... again, most of the 2C who have or have gotten comparable contracts have had production consistently for 2 or 3 years before getting that much money. I've stated it before, if he proves me wrong, so be it and I'll be the first to admit it. I just really push back on the whole idea that we should hand Bo the keys to the city/face of the franchise bit which is what a deal that he IS GOING to get will entail.

Is he a good player, YES, will he make a great captain, YES, is he our best player? By default, YES. That doesn't make him great, it just shows how poor our talent level is and how low our expectations/standards are thanks to years of poor drafting and development. He is probably going to get 6+ years at 5.5+/yr which admittedly in line with what others in his position makes. I've never disputed that, I just want him to prove it for another year before I'd give him that, but I know I'm in the minority.

You stated you'd build your franchise around Bo and that's fine, I wouldn't, and that's not because I don't like Bo or think he couldn't improve to the point that he COULD be that kind of player. I just don't see it right now, I think people who view him have rose-colored glasses on him, and have latched onto him strictly because hell, who else do we have?

Again for the record, based on the comparables that multiple people have posted, he is in line for that 6+ year deal at 5.5+/year and that's fine, I just don't like giving that sort of term/dollars for being the best player on a really bad team when that best player is only the best player by default and not because he was projected to be. That's the last thing I'm going to say on this subject, if he gets that contract and has 3-4 seasons like last year then fine, I was wrong and I'll own up to that. I just don't think he's going to be able to sustain that sort of production given that after the All-Star break, he fell off the cliff offensively while being given 2nd line/top line minutes/opportunities. I hope to be proven wrong.
- DariusKnight

I haven't stated I'd build my franchise around him. Wanting somebody as captain doesn't mean you are building your franchise around a player. Did we build around Linden or Bure? rose color glasses? Thinking Bo will be a good 2C? newsflash, he already is. Handing the keys to the City? what are you talking about? Mcdavid makes $13million, Bo, perhaps $5.5. Is that payment for a franchise player? I feel like you aren't grasping inflation of salaries

Wasn't being a super Richard but just saying. There are always cheap contracts that can be handed out to get under the cap. Tends to lead to less depth. They already had to sell Eberle a much better player then Strome to save 3.5 million. Players are going to ask for a raise as long as they don't suck again.

Maroon 42 points, Letestu 35 points. If those players have another season like that, the money will be coming.
- manvanfan

If they want these two resigned, The Nuge is gone. They'd also have to unload, Sekera or Russell. They got a few young D in the system, chomping at the lineup, so it might work.
I'm interested to see if they start slotting in kids from Bakersfield to fill in 3rd, 4th line slots (a la Pens model) in order to save money.

I haven't stated I'd build my franchise around him. Wanting somebody as captain doesn't mean you are building your franchise around a player. Did we build around Linden or Bure? rose color glasses? Thinking Bo will be a good 2C? newsflash, he already is. Handing the keys to the City? what are you talking about? Mcdavid makes $13million, Bo, perhaps $5.5. Is that payment for a franchise player? I feel like you aren't grasping inflation of salaries
- CanuckDon

We built around Linden until Bure came, and then Naslund until the Sedins, now we are building around Bo. This is not speculation, this is fact. If all it would take was 5.5 for 6+ Bo would have signed already. I feel like you are looking at inflation of salaries and not taking into account that players have shown more than Bo to get those salaries.

For /1/ season... again, most of the 2C who have or have gotten comparable contracts have had production consistently for 2 or 3 years before getting that much money. I've stated it before, if he proves me wrong, so be it and I'll be the first to admit it. I just really push back on the whole idea that we should hand Bo the keys to the city/face of the franchise bit which is what a deal that he IS GOING to get will entail.

Is he a good player, YES, will he make a great captain, YES, is he our best player? By default, YES. That doesn't make him great, it just shows how poor our talent level is and how low our expectations/standards are thanks to years of poor drafting and development. He is probably going to get 6+ years at 5.5+/yr which admittedly in line with what others in his position makes. I've never disputed that, I just want him to prove it for another year before I'd give him that, but I know I'm in the minority.

You stated you'd build your franchise around Bo and that's fine, I wouldn't, and that's not because I don't like Bo or think he couldn't improve to the point that he COULD be that kind of player. I just don't see it right now, I think people who view him have rose-colored glasses on him, and have latched onto him strictly because hell, who else do we have?

Again for the record, based on the comparables that multiple people have posted, he is in line for that 6+ year deal at 5.5+/year and that's fine, I just don't like giving that sort of term/dollars for being the best player on a really bad team when that best player is only the best player by default and not because he was projected to be. That's the last thing I'm going to say on this subject, if he gets that contract and has 3-4 seasons like last year then fine, I was wrong and I'll own up to that. I just don't think he's going to be able to sustain that sort of production given that after the All-Star break, he fell off the cliff offensively while being given 2nd line/top line minutes/opportunities. I hope to be proven wrong.
- DariusKnight

certainly not an entirely unreasonable position.

i'd be more than comfortable locking down bo at less than 6 for a long term contract. given the trajectory of player salaries, i think that even if his development stalls, his contract won't be that much of a drag on the cap. i can see 5-6m being the going rate of a 3LC in 5 years.

i'd also add that i can see his point totals stay at this level or increase given the increased talent he should be playing with in the next few years.

certainly not an entirely unreasonable position.

i'd be more than comfortable locking down bo at less than 6 for a long term contract. given the trajectory of player salaries, i think that even if his development stalls, his contract won't be that much of a drag on the cap. i can see 5-6m being the going rate of a 3LC in 5 years.

i'd also add that i can see his point totals stay at this level or increase given the increased talent he should be playing with in the next few years.
- RealityChecker

This is the kind of foresight you need to have IMO as well. That and buying UFA years on good young players just seems like a smart move.

We built around Linden until Bure came, and then Naslund until the Sedins, now we are building around Bo. This is not speculation, this is fact. If all it would take was 5.5 for 6+ Bo would have signed already. I feel like you are looking at inflation of salaries and not taking into account that players have shown more than Bo to get those salaries.
- DariusKnight

we are going in circles. I will simply reiterate, star/ franchise players earn more than $5.5MM per season.

we are going in circles. I will simply reiterate, star/ franchise players earn more than $5.5MM per season.
- CanuckDon

i think your argument here is largely a semantic one.

bo was the first player in the "new crop," that the team identified as part of the new core. one piece of several.

he is part of the new foundation but is not singularly a foundational player (if that makes any sense.)

- Codes1087

Thats a nice cup o joe.

For /1/ season... again, most of the 2C who have or have gotten comparable contracts have had production consistently for 2 or 3 years before getting that much money. I've stated it before, if he proves me wrong, so be it and I'll be the first to admit it. I just really push back on the whole idea that we should hand Bo the keys to the city/face of the franchise bit which is what a deal that he IS GOING to get will entail.

Is he a good player, YES, will he make a great captain, YES, is he our best player? By default, YES. That doesn't make him great, it just shows how poor our talent level is and how low our expectations/standards are thanks to years of poor drafting and development. He is probably going to get 6+ years at 5.5+/yr which admittedly in line with what others in his position makes. I've never disputed that, I just want him to prove it for another year before I'd give him that, but I know I'm in the minority.

You stated you'd build your franchise around Bo and that's fine, I wouldn't, and that's not because I don't like Bo or think he couldn't improve to the point that he COULD be that kind of player. I just don't see it right now, I think people who view him have rose-colored glasses on him, and have latched onto him strictly because hell, who else do we have?

Again for the record, based on the comparables that multiple people have posted, he is in line for that 6+ year deal at 5.5+/year and that's fine, I just don't like giving that sort of term/dollars for being the best player on a really bad team when that best player is only the best player by default and not because he was projected to be. That's the last thing I'm going to say on this subject, if he gets that contract and has 3-4 seasons like last year then fine, I was wrong and I'll own up to that. I just don't think he's going to be able to sustain that sort of production given that after the All-Star break, he fell off the cliff offensively while being given 2nd line/top line minutes/opportunities. I hope to be proven wrong.
- DariusKnight

The decision to pay him must be made now so I guess your wait and see approach is for a bridge deal. What would you pay?

i think your argument here is largely a semantic one.

bo was the first player in the "new crop," that the team identified as part of the new core. one piece of several.

he is part of the new foundation but is not singularly a foundational player (if that makes any sense.)
- RealityChecker

Not really. His argument is players of Bo's quality are worth around 5-6 mil, will be worth more in the future as far as I can tell. I agree.

- Codes1087

Where's the jazz cigarette?

Where's the jazz cigarette?
- Marwood

You put the green with the bean and grind together.