Malkin and Draisatl are essentially 2C's being paid north of 7 million lol. Even Kesler as a 2C has a 6.785 cap hit. It's hard to imagine Bo as a 1C on this team when you look at other team's top 2 center's and realize Bo isn't quite up to the same calibre. Not saying he can't one day be, maybe, but as of now, all signs point to Bo being a quality 2C I think
- Codes1087

I don't know about that one.

Not really. His argument is players of Bo's quality are worth around 5-6 mil, will be worth more in the future as far as I can tell. I agree.
- neem55

precisely. what does any of this have to do with "elite" or "franchise player" or Sutter's contract. Bo is worth 5-6MM and his contract could be a steal in the latter years of the deal.

I don't know about that one.
- manvanfan

what don't you know about. Malkin being a 2C? He has played 2C ever since I can remember. He plays 1st PP, but he 100% plays 2C behind Crosby. He is a 1st line center on 95% of the rest of the leagues teams.

what don't you know about. Malkin being a 2C? He has played 2C ever since I can remember. He plays 1st PP, but he 100% plays 2C behind Crosby. He is a 1st line center on 95% of the rest of the leagues teams.
- Codes1087

It's pretty easy to label a guy who plays 2C because he plays behind one of the greatest players of all time. If you placed him on any other team in the league other then Edmonton right now. He would be a 1C.

It's pretty easy to label a guy who plays 2C because he plays behind one of the greatest players of all time. If you placed him on any other team in the league other then Edmonton right now. He would be a 1C.
- manvanfan

same could be said for all the really good teams with 2 good centers. The point is, all the goods teams have 2 really good center's on it, we have a good 2nd line center, and that's it lol

precisely. what does any of this have to do with "elite" or "franchise player" or Sutter's contract. Bo is worth 5-6MM and his contract could be a steal in the latter years of the deal.
- CanuckDon

He seems like a very good bet to me based on everything I've read

same could be said for all the really good teams with 2 good centers. The point is, all the goods teams have 2 really good center's on it, we have a good 2nd line center, and that's it lol
- Codes1087

For sure. Good news is JB knows it and is looking for a 1c/hoping EP is one

He seems like a very good bet to me based on everything I've read
- neem55

As a 20 year old, he limited his booze consumption to 2 glasses of wine on NYE because he had a game the next day. that's all I needed to see to know he was going to be legit

As a 20 year old, he limited his booze consumption to 2 glasses of wine on NYE because he had a game the next day. that's all I needed to see to know he was going to be legit
- CanuckDon

Bo means business and along with his talent is why he will be a core guy in this rebuild. I like BB as the next top prospect breaking in now. He seems cut from the same cloth. The two of them will be a good anchor for the next crop of guys. So far from the top ones in the system they seem to have their heads screwed on right to gel together.

Not really. His argument is players of Bo's quality are worth around 5-6 mil, will be worth more in the future as far as I can tell. I agree.
- neem55

You missed the point. I am inclined to agree with don's assessment. Not the other side.

Not really. His argument is players of Bo's quality are worth around 5-6 mil, will be worth more in the future as far as I can tell. I agree.
- neem55

Outside of what Bo wants, because he obviously will have a say in the outcome, I think it comes down to whether people think this season was a fluke. I understand the concern of regression, sign short term to prove consistency. I am of the side that thinks he is a safe bet.

Not that these stats are really related but people do like to associate point production with cap hits... Bo finished at a tie for 83rd in points, and according to CapFriendly the 100th highest cap hit this past season was $5.5m, and next season it is $5.7m. Top 150 for this past year was $4.85m and next year its $5.0m... If contracts continue to rise a $5.5m hit should be reasonable especially if he solidifies himself as a top 150 player

same could be said for all the really good teams with 2 good centers. The point is, all the goods teams have 2 really good center's on it, we have a good 2nd line center, and that's it lol
- Codes1087

I think Van could win with 2-high end 2C's and some good wingers. Depth. Strong goaltending. Solid defence.

Outside of what Bo wants, because he obviously will have a say in the outcome, I think it comes down to whether people think this season was a fluke. I understand the concern of regression, sign short term to prove consistency. I am of the side that thinks he is a safe bet.

Not that these stats are really related but people do like to associate point production with cap hits... Bo finished at a tie for 83rd in points, and according to CapFriendly the 100th highest cap hit this past season was $5.5m, and next season it is $5.7m. Top 150 for this past year was $4.85m and next year its $5.0m... If contracts continue to rise a $5.5m hit should be reasonable especially if he solidifies himself as a top 150 player
- WhiteLie

I can't see him taking steps back unless the team becomes worse.

Why hasn't Pronman's lists been posted on another website yet!!! I want to see how crappy they actually are.

Why hasn't Pronman's lists been posted on another website yet!!! I want to see how crappy they actually are.
- manvanfan

Tippet and Tolvanen are ranked above all our prospects

Tippet and Tolvanen are ranked above all our prospects
- CanuckDon

Yeah I mean EP was a PPG against men in the second div Swedish league. But Tolvanen played in the USHL.

We built around Linden until Bure came, and then Naslund until the Sedins, now we are building around Bo. This is not speculation, this is fact. If all it would take was 5.5 for 6+ Bo would have signed already. I feel like you are looking at inflation of salaries and not taking into account that players have shown more than Bo to get those salaries.
- DariusKnight

Since when? Horvat is just a building block, I think it's total nonsense to say they're building around him. IMO they're simply just continuing with the building process and he's an important piece of that but hardly good enough to build around.

Bo Horvat is looking like a good player, but he's not a franchise player.

I don't remember who I was talking about a WAR with. According to Matt on Twitter, such a thing does exist!
https://twitter.com/MattP...-Mangiapane%2F202%2F86950
- manvanfan

That was me, I wonder what they used. I just saw this in an old CBJ blog that used goals above replacement from team perspective that I thought was interesting:

https://twitter.com/Chart...status/884052982337294336

That was me, I wonder what they used. I just saw this in an old CBJ blog that used goals above replacement from team perspective that I thought was interesting:

https://twitter.com/Chart...status/884052982337294336
- WhiteLie

I believe the guy said something about looking at every single AHL game sheet pretty much. Doesn't say how he came about it though.

I think Van could win with 2-high end 2C's and some good wingers. Depth. Strong goaltending. Solid defence.
- manvanfan

EP
Horvat
Gaudette
McEwen

Those 4 centres could be a pretty deadly combo when rolling 4 lines (obviously, if they all progress as expected * HUGE IF)
BUT - I do like the fact that they're almost 4 completely different type of players too.

Since when? Horvat is just a building block, I think it's total nonsense to say they're building around him. IMO they're simply just continuing with the building process and he's an important piece of that but hardly good enough to build around.

Bo Horvat is looking like a good player, but he's not a franchise player.
- LeftCoaster

He's great support for the franchise player.

FWIW: Wennberg in Columbus, who was drafted 5 picks after Horvat and scored 2 more points in 14 less games remains unsigned as well.

I went looking for reports and a few projected him to receive a bridge deal (partially from CBJ's cap bind), while another said 6-years $30m would be likely on a long term. Nothing I read has discussed him getting over $5m per season which is very interesting

FWIW: Wennberg in Columbus, who was drafted 5 picks after Horvat and scored 2 more points in 14 less games remains unsigned as well.

I went looking for reports and a few projected him to receive a bridge deal (partially from CBJ's cap bind), while another said 6-years $30m would be likely on a long term. Nothing I read has discussed him getting over $5m per season which is very interesting
- WhiteLie

Brandon Saad got 6 million per after a couple 50 point season. Never reached 59 points like Wennberg did.

http://www.vancourier.com...ing-to-the-net-1.21936789

not surprising but kind of interesting. I didn't realize Horvat was the heaviest 6ft player in the entire league!

http://www.vancourier.com/pass-it-to-bulis/bo-horvat-is-one-of-the-best-players-in-the-nhl-at-getting-to-the-net-1.21936789

not surprising but kind of interesting. I didn't realize Horvat was the heaviest 6ft player in the entire league!
- CanuckDon

Not interesting at all