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I miss Kipper
Calgary Flames
Location: AB
Joined: 06.14.2017

Aug 16 @ 2:30 PM ET
Wow!!! 21M tied up in 2 players...
- Clyde334


Yup. Same as toews and kane in Chicago. Which I'm sure it'll be fine... Chicago hasn't had any cap problems...
ChonDerry
Location: Bedlamton, AB
Joined: 04.06.2016

Aug 16 @ 2:34 PM ET
$8.5M for Drai. Yikes. After 1 good season
- I miss Kipper


But that one player owned the team that has owned the Flames since 1937
The-O-G
Calgary Flames
Joined: 11.29.2011

Aug 16 @ 3:17 PM ET
Yup. Same as toews and kane in Chicago. Which I'm sure it'll be fine... Chicago hasn't had any cap problems...
- I miss Kipper


Only thing is Chicago won a cup BEFORE the cap problems
The-O-G
Calgary Flames
Joined: 11.29.2011

Aug 16 @ 3:18 PM ET
But that one player owned the team that has owned the Flames since 1937
- ChonDerry


Da fck?
ChonDerry
Location: Bedlamton, AB
Joined: 04.06.2016

Aug 16 @ 3:21 PM ET
Da fck?
- The-O-G


Leon went Duck hunting all last year
Calgary vs the Ducks is well...
I miss Kipper
Calgary Flames
Location: AB
Joined: 06.14.2017

Aug 16 @ 3:27 PM ET
But that one player owned the team that has owned the Flames since 1937
- ChonDerry


Come again, in English?
Hunkulese
Calgary Flames
Location: QC
Joined: 09.30.2006

Aug 16 @ 3:42 PM ET
Leon went Duck hunting all last year
Calgary vs the Ducks is well...

- ChonDerry


You're right, Leon did a fantastic job leading the Oilers past the Ducks in the playoffs last year. Totally makes sense to give him 8.5 per year.
Saskabush
Calgary Flames
Location: Bridge City, SK
Joined: 10.29.2013

Aug 16 @ 3:43 PM ET
But that one player owned the team that has owned the Flames since 1937
- ChonDerry


Poor use of hyperbole. Sub-par trolling attempt. 2.5/10. Do better next time.
cpltanto
Calgary Flames
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 07.05.2013

Aug 16 @ 3:55 PM ET
I think we all expected a drop. But that drastic of a drop probably isn't warranted. People with real knowledge of our prospects should be able to see that it's pretty well stocked. I think I've seen other lists that have us in the top 10 (this one has us ranked 8th)

http://thehockeywriters.c...arm-systems-2017-ranking/

Don't really know they guy, but it seems like he was basing his lists on who has the shiniest high-profile prospects and not on the actual depth. Doesn't really matter though, we're pretty happy with who we have on our roster and in our system right now

- Saskabush



That's a definitely more well assessed article
sounds like they actually know what they're talking about
Helios
Calgary Flames
Location: AB
Joined: 08.11.2016

Aug 16 @ 4:06 PM ET
And the Chiarelli era continues up in Deadmonton.

$21M in two players before you even win a Stanley Cup is a classic Chia move. Add in Lucic and Russell and Edmonton is paying 4 players $31 million dollars. That's almost half their cap on 4 players, only two of which are even close to worth their money.

No idea how Chiarelli's gonna navigate this gongshow but it'll be fun to watch. Isn't Talbot up for a new deal next year? Good luck with that one.
Otiss
Joined: 11.28.2014

Aug 16 @ 4:44 PM ET
Just In,

Flames agree to terms with Jagr - 1 year deal, per sources

flashfire
Joined: 10.02.2006

Aug 16 @ 4:48 PM ET
Just In,

Flames agree to terms with Jagr - 1 year deal, per sources

- Otiss


fake news
DeflatedPucks
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: NYC, NY
Joined: 04.29.2016

Aug 16 @ 5:05 PM ET
And the Chiarelli era continues up in Deadmonton.

$21M in two players before you even win a Stanley Cup is a classic Chia move. Add in Lucic and Russell and Edmonton is paying 4 players $31 million dollars. That's almost half their cap on 4 players, only two of which are even close to worth their money.

No idea how Chiarelli's gonna navigate this gongshow but it'll be fun to watch. Isn't Talbot up for a new deal next year? Good luck with that one.

- Helios


The cap hits aren't egregious. when Toews and Kane signed their contracts, they took up more than 30% of the total cap space (granted it was like 29% during the season it kicked in). I think the season it kicked it, they had a ridiculous 58% or something committed to their top six players.
Otiss
Joined: 11.28.2014

Aug 16 @ 5:06 PM ET
fake news
- flashfire



The deal includes 1 Jar of wild horse urine, and a year she supply of prairie oysters.

Per sources
ChonDerry
Location: Bedlamton, AB
Joined: 04.06.2016

Aug 16 @ 5:10 PM ET
Do better next time.
- Saskabush


Might wanna save that pep talk for your team vs Anaheim
Saskabush
Calgary Flames
Location: Bridge City, SK
Joined: 10.29.2013

Aug 16 @ 6:03 PM ET
That's a definitely more well assessed article
sounds like they actually know what they're talking about

- cpltanto


Ya, I thought they were pretty fair and their reasoning for each team seemed pretty sound.
Saskabush
Calgary Flames
Location: Bridge City, SK
Joined: 10.29.2013

Aug 16 @ 6:08 PM ET
Might wanna save that pep talk for your team vs Anaheim
- ChonDerry


I don't think it matters if the Flames have a firm grasp on how to use the English language when it comes to playing hockey .

But, if you're trying to sound smart on an internet message board it is a skill worth learning. Chin-up there little guy, you'll get there someday
Saskabush
Calgary Flames
Location: Bridge City, SK
Joined: 10.29.2013

Aug 16 @ 6:13 PM ET
The cap hits aren't egregious. when Toews and Kane signed their contracts, they took up more than 30% of the total cap space (granted it was like 29% during the season it kicked in). I think the season it kicked it, they had a ridiculous 58% or something committed to their top six players.
- DeflatedPucks


It's not so much the cap hits (both players received fair market value), it's who they have running the show that makes us laugh.

Peter Chiarelli is not Stan Bowman. I (along with many Oiler fans) do not think Chia is smart enough to navigate his team through the tough decisions that will be coming his way. Add in stupid contracts like Kris Russell's and you can see why we're kind of happy with what is going on up North.
numbear
Calgary Flames
Location: vancouver, BC
Joined: 06.24.2011

Aug 16 @ 6:16 PM ET
so say all prospects suck, and only 2 make it as 3rd lines.
JG/Money/Ferl
Thachuk/Backs/Frolik
Benny/Janko/Foo

a top 9 of those guys with an average age of around 22 and two old guys at 28ish?Looks like we have a few years to rebuild the fwd pool.

Goalies, lots of depth, just need one to hit. always the issue as the develop slower

D....not really worried there. Gio brings the age up but he's got a good 4yr left at least.

Helios
Calgary Flames
Location: AB
Joined: 08.11.2016

Aug 16 @ 6:16 PM ET
The cap hits aren't egregious. when Toews and Kane signed their contracts, they took up more than 30% of the total cap space (granted it was like 29% during the season it kicked in). I think the season it kicked it, they had a ridiculous 58% or something committed to their top six players.
- DeflatedPucks


Oh no McDavid is worth every penny of that $12.5 mil he'll be making in two years, Draisaitl will probably be worth his cap hit, too.

It's the Lucic and Russell contracts that are the ones that are going to screw them. I'm just saying that Toews and Kane won a Cup before making their insane amounts of money. McDavid and Draisaitl haven't done anything yet.
Helios
Calgary Flames
Location: AB
Joined: 08.11.2016

Aug 16 @ 6:25 PM ET
It's not so much the cap hits (both players received fair market value), it's who they have running the show that makes us laugh.

Peter Chiarelli is not Stan Bowman. I (along with many Oiler fans) do not think Chia is smart enough to navigate his team through the tough decisions that will be coming his way. Add in stupid contracts like Kris Russell's and you can see why we're kind of happy with what is going on up North.

- Saskabush


Yeah it's more this than anything. Chiarelli does not have a good track record when he's having cap issues and he's going to have a big one as soon as next season. Almost 50% of your cap being taken up by 4 players doesn't make things easy, especially when two of those players are Lucic and Russell. We've seen Chiarelli struggle in this situation before, and I've seen nothing from him to indicate he won't do it again.
dr_soiledpants
Calgary Flames
Location: Watrous, SK
Joined: 08.15.2015

Aug 16 @ 6:56 PM ET
And the Chiarelli era continues up in Deadmonton.

$21M in two players before you even win a Stanley Cup is a classic Chia move. Add in Lucic and Russell and Edmonton is paying 4 players $31 million dollars. That's almost half their cap on 4 players, only two of which are even close to worth their money.

No idea how Chiarelli's gonna navigate this gongshow but it'll be fun to watch. Isn't Talbot up for a new deal next year? Good luck with that one.

- Helios


I think McDavid and Dre deserve the money though. It's the rest of the dead weight that's the problem. Just shy of 60 mill next year tired up in 12 contracts plus a buy out. That only leaves 15 between 11 guys.

Talbot is signed through this year ,and next. He'll be owed a hefty raise as well which means trade him or someone else. Smart thing is to make room for him. I would guess around 7-8 aav if he keeps his play up.
dr_soiledpants
Calgary Flames
Location: Watrous, SK
Joined: 08.15.2015

Aug 16 @ 7:00 PM ET
I think McDavid and Dre deserve the money though. It's the rest of the dead weight that's the problem. Just shy of 60 mill next year tired up in 12 contracts plus a buy out. That only leaves 15 between 11 guys.

Talbot is signed through this year ,and next. He'll be owed a hefty raise as well which means trade him or someone else. Smart thing is to make room for him. I would guess around 7-8 aav if he keeps his play up.

- dr_soiledpants



^^^I see you've already gone over this ^^^
Yeah...Baby
Calgary Flames
Location: Calgary , AB
Joined: 01.29.2015

Aug 16 @ 7:52 PM ET
I think McDavid and Dre deserve the money though. It's the rest of the dead weight that's the problem. Just shy of 60 mill next year tired up in 12 contracts plus a buy out. That only leaves 15 between 11 guys.

Talbot is signed through this year ,and next. He'll be owed a hefty raise as well which means trade him or someone else. Smart thing is to make room for him. I would guess around 7-8 aav if he keeps his play up.

- dr_soiledpants


Sounds like the same time frame we need a goalie!
Kevin R
Calgary Flames
Location: E5 = It aint gonna happen.
Joined: 02.10.2010

Aug 16 @ 8:32 PM ET
Sounds like the same time frame we need a goalie!
- Yeah...Baby


The irony of it all
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