what is the make believe defensive stat Chris Tanev is good at anyway?

the guy has 100 takeaways in 348 NHL games

since when do you Corsi guys like blocked shots?

what is the make believe defensive stat Chris Tanev is good at anyway?

the guy has 100 takeaways in 348 NHL games

since when do you Corsi guys like blocked shots?
- jimbro83

Hmmm let me think

Top 10 in shot suppression
top 15 in SA60
Top 10 in Corsi against
Top 15 in relative corsi against

Yup but you're right he's garbage, so you might as well stick with the Dan Girardi's and Marc Staals of the world.

Hmmm let me think

Top 10 in shot suppression
top 15 in SA60
Top 10 in Corsi against
Top 15 in relative corsi against

Yup but you're right he's garbage, so you might as well stick with the Dan Girardi's and Marc Staals of the world.

- classic321

level with me, you just made this one up right now didn't you

I'd take Chris Tanev's top 15 "SA60" over Brent Burns 29 goals anyday.

level with me, you just made this one up right now didn't you
- jimbro83

"Relative" is a measure of your team.

It shows how much better a player is relative to his team mates.
Vancouver sucks, but in relative terms to his team-mates he is so much better than every other Dman defensively.

Hmmm let me think

Top 10 in shot suppression
top 15 in SA60
Top 10 in Corsi against
Top 15 in relative corsi against

Yup but you're right he's garbage, so you might as well stick with the Dan Girardi's and Marc Staals of the world.

- classic321

Where along the line did anyone say that Girardi or Staal is a top level defenseman right now???
Seriously, think about and answer this question before we waste anymore of everyone's time.

Hmmm let me think

Top 10 in shot suppression
top 15 in SA60
Top 10 in Corsi against
Top 15 in relative corsi against

Yup but you're right he's garbage, so you might as well stick with the Dan Girardi's and Marc Staals of the world.

- classic321

When we talk about "stats" people, it's kind of funny because the vast majority of conversations about hockey players revolve around crazy stats like "shots" and "goals."

No one is using hard to understand, obscure stats to paint Chris Tanev as a good defensenman.

All you have to do is see that he generally limits other teams shot-attempts, shots, scoring chances and goals. It seems to me that you if your job is defense, you can't have negative outcomes in these four categories and be considered effective.

If you contribute positively to your team getting shots and preventing them, shots being the only known way to get goals, which are how you win games, which is the entire point, then I see no way in which a player can be good if he doesn't have a measurable positive effect on a game.

"Relative" is a measure of your team.

It shows how much better a player is relative to his team mates.
Vancouver sucks, but in relative terms to his team-mates he is so much better than every other Dman defensively.


- classic321

everyone one of these stats are complete and utter bullpoop

When we talk about "stats" people, it's kind of funny because the vast majority of conversations about hockey players revolve around crazy stats like "shots" and "goals."

No one is using hard to understand, obscure stats to paint Chris Tanev as a good defensenman.

All you have to do is see that he generally limits other teams shot-attempts, shots, scoring chances and goals. It seems to me that you if your job is defense, you can't have negative outcomes in these four categories and be considered effective.

If you contribute positively to your team getting shots and preventing them, shots being the only known way to get goals, which are how you win games, which is the entire point, then I see no way in which a player can be good if he doesn't have a measurable positive effect on a game.
- james_tanner1

you definitely dont ever have to put quotes around the word goals

we know what you are talking about when you say goals

"Relative" is a measure of your team.

It shows how much better a player is relative to his team mates.
Vancouver sucks, but in relative terms to his team-mates he is so much better than every other Dman defensively.


- classic321

corsi rel is a bad stat for comparison purposes.

corsi rel is a bad stat for comparison purposes.
- Tumbleweed

just end the sentence there

corsi rel is a bad stat for comparison purposes.
- Tumbleweed

Hey, it shows that he's definitely better than a bunch of guys who suck!

Hey, it shows that he's definitely better than a bunch of guys who suck!
- Tonybere

definitely makes him top 5 in the whole wide world

corsi rel is a bad stat for comparison purposes.
- Tumbleweed

umm ok

Hey, it shows that he's definitely better than a bunch of guys who suck!
- Tonybere

and that's pretty much what it helps with.

i assume tanev faced the toughest competition and still finished ahead on his team.

so if you didn't already know from watching him, he is the best defensive dman on the nucks.

but that stat says nothing about him in comparison to players on different teams.

umm ok
- classic321

I believe his point is that while it shows you definitively how one compares to their teammates, it has no frame of reference for comparing against other players across the league.

umm ok
- classic321

you don't know that

I believe his point is that while it shows you definitively how one compares to their teammates, it has no frame of reference for comparing against other players across the league.
- Tonybere

it doesnt really compare soemone to teammates either...in a literal sense it does, but there are other factors.

using any one specific stat is a recipe for failure no matter what it is. they all have flaws

it doesnt really compare soemone to teammates either...in a literal sense it does, but there are other factors.

using any one specific stat is a recipe for failure no matter what it is. they all have flaws
- YuenglingJagr

even "goals"?

even "goals"?
- jimbro83

yes, to be quite honest

it doesnt really compare soemone to teammates either...in a literal sense it does, but there are other factors.

using any one specific stat is a recipe for failure no matter what it is. they all have flaws
- YuenglingJagr

STOP IT!!!!! You are a Flyers fan, yet here you are being all sensible and reasonable and friendly. MY HEAD CAN'T TAKE IT!!!!

yes, to be quite honest
- YuenglingJagr

I still would take Brent Burns 29 goals over Chris Tanev's top 10 relative Corsi

gotta be honest with you right back

even "goals"?
- jimbro83

Yeah. All of these stats are flawed one way or another. Looking at them all paints a much clearer picture.

I still would take Brent Burns 29 goals over Chris Tanev's top 10 relative Corsi

gotta be honest with you right back
- jimbro83

Well, yeah, but Burns is one of the best in the game from a Corsi standpoint too.

Yeah. All of these stats are flawed one way or another. Looking at them all paints a much clearer picture.
- BINGO!

Let me ask you. Do you think Chris tanev's amazing relative Corsi makes him as good as Brett Burns?