Forsberg > Wheeler and getting better.
- predsfan97

Forsberg's dominance in Game 3 of the Sweep against the Hawks was a thing of Beauty.

Forsberg's dominance in Game 3 of the Sweep against the Hawks was a thing of Beauty.
- predsfan97

replying to yourself?

I like forsberg but thats cherry picking, he had 1 point in the Finals. Cant say hes getting better and dominate in one post then omit that when it mattered teh most he got shut down with a patch work Pens D core

Forsberg's dominance in Game 3 of the Sweep against the Hawks was a thing of Beauty.
- predsfan97

How does it feel to have the second best Forsberg to play in the NHL?

How does it feel to have the second best Forsberg to play in the NHL?
- BINGO!

ORGASMIC.

replying to yourself?

I like forsberg but thats cherry picking, he had 1 point in the Finals. Cant say hes getting better and dominate in one post then omit that when it mattered teh most he got shut down with a patch work Pens D core
- DDM-Coga

HainseyIzDaBest

HainseyIzDaBest
- BINGO!

he is going to be paired with Rielly. Pray for the leafs

he is going to be paired with Rielly. Pray for the leafs
- DDM-Coga

They'll be okay.

Hainsey just goes through weird 5 game stretches where he does nothing but stand beside the net. Pretty good guy to have around the kids though. So was Liles.

They'll be okay.

Hainsey just goes through weird 5 game stretches where he does nothing but stand beside the net. Pretty good guy to have around the kids though. So was Liles.
- BINGO!

I want that handsome man to sign a PTO with the Avs

if you understand that every team scores on pretty much one of every five power-plays (thus proving that PP production is very much about opportunity, and very replaceable) then its not crazy to rank Nino so high.
- James_Tanner

Every player pretty much has corsi around 50% too, should we throw that away? If most teams being within 5% of scoring on one out of 5 power plays means powerplay stats are all equal, then most players being with 5% of 50% Corsi means the exact same thing.

Every player pretty much has corsi around 50% too, should we throw that away? If most teams being within 5% of scoring on one out of 5 power plays means powerplay stats are all equal, then most players being with 5% of 50% Corsi means the exact same thing.
- Antilles

Except that shot attempts are way, way more frequent than powerplay attempts. so an incremental increase or decrease has a much larger long-term affect than a similar one in PP percentage.

I want that handsome man to sign a PTO with the Avs
- DDM-Coga

He's a pro's pro. Guy did real great work with Pesce and Slavin helping them adapt to the NHL game.

I think when your team is always losing you tend to pad your possession stats when the team in the lead goes into a shell in the 3rd period

stop me if that's too fast for you though
- jimbro83

lol.

Why does everyone seem to think Blake Wheeler is so amazing? MAYBE a top 10 but he’s over 30 isn’t he?


2017 2018 by Pete Jensen @NHLJensen / NHL.com Senior Fantasy Editor

1. Connor McDavid, C, EDM
2. Sidney Crosby, C, PIT
3. Auston Matthews, C, TOR
4. Nikita Kucherov, RW, TBL
5. Jamie Benn, LW, DAL
6. Patrick Kane, RW, CHI
7. Alex Ovechkin, LW, WSH
8. Evgeni Malkin, C, PIT
9. Brad Marchand, LW, BOS
10. Patrik Laine, LW/RW, WPG
11. Vladimir Tarasenko, RW, STL
12. Jack Eichel, C, BUF
13. Nicklas Backstrom, C, WSH
14. Tyler Seguin, C/RW, DAL (INJ.)
15. Mark Scheifele, C, WPG
16. Leon Draisaitl, C/RW, EDM - RFA
17. John Tavares, C, NYI
18. Steven Stamkos, C, TBL (INJ.)
19. Artemi Panarin, LW, CBJ
20. Phil Kessel, RW, PIT
21. Ryan Getzlaf, C, ANA
22. Joe Pavelski, C/RW, SJS
23. Blake Wheeler, RW, WPG
24. David Pastrnak, RW, BOS - RFA
25. Mitchell Marner, C/RW, TOR
26. Filip Forsberg, LW, NSH
27. Wayne Simmonds, RW, PHI
28. Patrice Bergeron, C, BOS
29. Johnny Gaudreau, LW, CGY
30. Max Pacioretty, LW, MTL
31. Evgeny Kuznetsov, C, WSH
32. Ryan Johansen, C, NSH - (INJ.)
33. William Nylander, C/RW, TOR
34. Alexander Radulov, LW/RW, DAL
35. Sean Monahan, C, CGY
36. Aleksander Barkov, C, FLA
37. Claude Giroux, C, PHI
38. Mikael Granlund, C/LW/RW, MIN
39. Cam Atkinson, RW, CBJ
40. Mike Hoffman, LW/RW, OTT
41. Corey Perry, RW, ANA
42. Jeff Carter, C, LAK
43. Jonathan Toews, C, CHI
44. Jonathan Huberdeau, LW, FLA
45. Anze Kopitar, C, LAK
46. Sebastian Aho, LW/RW, CAR
47. Nikolaj Ehlers, LW/RW, WPG
48. Jakub Voracek, LW/RW, PHI
49. Jonathan Drouin, LW/RW, MTL
50. Taylor Hall, LW, NJD
51. Ryan Kesler, C, ANA
52. James van Riemsdyk, LW, TOR
53. Jeff Skinner, LW, CAR
54. T.J. Oshie, RW, WSH
55. Eric Staal, C, MIN
56. Brandon Saad, LW/RW, CHI
57. Brayden Schenn, C/LW, STL
58. Logan Couture, C, SJS
59. Nathan MacKinnon, C/RW, COL
60. Henrik Zetterberg, C/LW, DET
61. Rickard Rakell, C/LW, ANA
62. Jake Guentzel, C/LW, PIT
63. Ryan O'Reilly, C/LW, BUF
64. Jordan Eberle, RW, NYI
65. Jason Spezza, C/RW, DAL
66. Nazem Kadri, C, TOR
67. Viktor Arvidsson, LW/RW, NSH
68. Mark Stone, RW, OTT
69. Tyler Toffoli, C/RW, LAK
70. Kyle Turris, C, OTT
71. Anders Lee, LW, NYI
72. Evander Kane, LW, BUF
73. James Neal, RW, VGK
74. Zach Parise, LW, MIN
75. Mikko Koivu, C, MIN
76. Patric Hornqvist, RW, PIT
77. Andre Burakovsky, LW/RW, WSH
78. Mats Zuccarello, RW, NYR
79. Kyle Okposo, RW, BUF (INJ.)
80. Milan Lucic, LW, EDM
81. Jaden Schwartz, C/LW, STL
82. Jakob Silfverberg, RW, ANA
83. Alex Galchenyuk, C, MTL
84. Mika Zibanejad, C/RW, NYR
85. Marcus Johansson, LW/RW, NJD
86. Conor Sheary, LW/RW, PIT
87. Nino Niederreiter, LW/RW, MIN
88. Matthew Tkachuk, LW, CGY
89. Ondrej Palat, LW, TBL
90. Nick Foligno, LW/RW, CBJ
91. Patrick Marleau, C/LW, TOR
92. Alexander Wennberg, C, CBJ - RFA
93. Kyle Palmieri, RW, NJD
94. Evgeny Dadonov, LW/RW, FLA
95. Vadim Shipachyov, C, VGK
96. Chris Kreider, LW, NYR
97. Tyler Johnson, C, TBL
98. Nick Schmaltz, C/LW, CHI
99. Nico Hischier, C, NJD
100. Nolan Patrick, C, PHI (INJ.)
- al3535

1) This is not based of who was best Last year or this years projected.

2) Where does Wheeler land after you remove the Centers and Eastern conference Wingers as well as the duel eligible players that actually do play C? That is right among the top 5.

Every player pretty much has corsi around 50% too, should we throw that away? If most teams being within 5% of scoring on one out of 5 power plays means powerplay stats are all equal, then most players being with 5% of 50% Corsi means the exact same thing.
- Antilles

Well that makes absolutely no sense, whatsoever. There are 150 shot attempts in a game and less than six powerplays.

That is why there is a huge difference between 49% corsi and 50% corsi. That one percent can equal a hell of a lot of shots.

The difference between the best and worst power-play teams in the NHL works out to about one extra goal every three games. Therefore, I think it's beyond a shadow of a doubt obvious that Power Play points shouldn't really factor in player evaluations because if you put NHL players on the power-play, they'll score 20% of the time. Doesn't really matter who it is.

Well that makes absolutely no sense, whatsoever. There are 150 shot attempts in a game and less than six powerplays.

That is why there is a huge difference between 49% corsi and 50% corsi. That one percent can equal a hell of a lot of shots.

The difference between the best and worst power-play teams in the NHL works out to about one extra goal every three games. Therefore, I think it's beyond a shadow of a doubt obvious that Power Play points shouldn't really factor in player evaluations because if you put NHL players on the power-play, they'll score 20% of the time. Doesn't really matter who it is.
- james_tanner1

This is completely false.

If you play NHL 3rd and 4th liners on your power play, you aren't going to score 20% of the time.

This is completely false.

If you play NHL 3rd and 4th liners on your power play, you aren't going to score 20% of the time.
- carcus

It's count-intuitive, but I doubt its false. NHL players, even the bad ones, are amazing. Give anyone in the league some open ice and they're suddenly really, really good. I'm not saying everyone is equal on the powerplay, but the difference between super stars and regular players really shrinks down when you take a player off the ice.

Well that makes absolutely no sense, whatsoever. There are 150 shot attempts in a game and less than six powerplays.

That is why there is a huge difference between 49% corsi and 50% corsi. That one percent can equal a hell of a lot of shots.

The difference between the best and worst power-play teams in the NHL works out to about one extra goal every three games. Therefore, I think it's beyond a shadow of a doubt obvious that Power Play points shouldn't really factor in player evaluations because if you put NHL players on the power-play, they'll score 20% of the time. Doesn't really matter who it is.
- james_tanner1

holy Christ you have no ability to reason. a 30 goal difference in goals for, on the year, is roughly on average a 10 spot difference in terms of goals for ranking.

you're (frank)ing kidding yourself if teams aren't putting their best players out there to try to getvthat 30 goal difference. because you know, 10 spots ain't small in a 30 team league.

it astounds me the stupid poop you say. every time I see your user name posting I know it's good for some great entertainment.

This is completely false.

If you play NHL 3rd and 4th liners on your power play, you aren't going to score 20% of the time.
- carcus

Jesus. the best power plays in the league clicked at 25%. the worst, 12%. something tells me personnel matters.

hmm, i wonder what a look at the top points per minute players on the PP looks like????

It's count-intuitive, but I doubt its false. NHL players, even the bad ones, are amazing. Give anyone in the league some open ice and they're suddenly really, really good. I'm not saying everyone is equal on the powerplay, but the difference between super stars and regular players really shrinks down when you take a player off the ice.
- james_tanner1

great. so (frank)ing place that points per minute at 5v5 vs PP for players with more than 100 minutes on PP beside each other. how much you wanna bet if you line them up we will all come to the conclusion you're an idiot?

how could you possibly think it doesn't matter who plays the PP?

Wheeler over Kane

Jesus. the best power plays in the league clicked at 25%. the worst, 12%. something tells me personnel matters.

hmm, i wonder what a look at the top points per minute players on the PP looks like????
- prock

Luck would play a huge role in the difference being that large. Plus, as you probably know since you're such a genius, you're supposed to throw out the top and bottom numbers of a set as anomalies.

Luck would play a huge role in the difference being that large. Plus, as you probably know since you're such a genius, you're supposed to throw out the top and bottom numbers of a set as anomalies.
- james_tanner1

just... luck. eh?

man, you brush aside a lot of things you don't like and just call it all luck.

look, it's an absurd statement to say it's all opportunity and it doesn't matter who is out there.

if you really believe it, come up with a shred of evidence. it shouldn't be hard. for one, the top scorers at 5 v 5 wouldn't correlate to the top scorers on the PP. second, youbeould see massive variance from year to year. i.e. top scorers like Crosby, Karlsson, Malkin, Kane, would be randomly spattered in the PP scoring rates. they wouldn't gravitate to the top more than anyone else. and the top PPs would be pretty randomly spattered as well, and not necessarily have the top 5 v 5 scorers.

instead, what you find is the teams with the top offensive talent are at the top of the PP % standings. year after year after year.

proving once again that people massively underrated defense.

I didn't make up the fact that he scored 1st line points at 5v5. If he scores at a first line rate while being one of if not the best defensive forward in hockey, how is he not on everyone else's list, should be the question.
- James_Tanner

In doing a little research on Nino, I came across a funny thing. The analytics site showed that his corsi and O zone starts slot him as an "effective bottom 6 forward."

As for his 5v5, there are 10 Western Conference wingers that scored more. Four players on his own team scored more. Do you think maybe that had something to do with his production?
He is a good player. But, as "the best defensive forward in hockey" why does he start significantly more of his shifts in the offensive zone? Why does he not kill penalties?

Jesus. the best power plays in the league clicked at 25%. the worst, 12%. something tells me personnel matters.

hmm, i wonder what a look at the top points per minute players on the PP looks like????
- prock

And those worst PP's still aren't switching their personnel all that much. But, how can that be when there's no difference who you put out there???

It's count-intuitive, but I doubt its false. NHL players, even the bad ones, are amazing. Give anyone in the league some open ice and they're suddenly really, really good. I'm not saying everyone is equal on the powerplay, but the difference between super stars and regular players really shrinks down when you take a player off the ice.
- james_tanner1

Oh, it's false.

NHL players are amazing. On both teams. So if you play your best penalty killers against the other team's 4th line, they aren't scoring close to league average on the power play. Because 4th liners, even as great as they are, aren't even close to real 1st liners in offensive skill.

Tarasenko with time and space, and (insert any 4th liner here) with time and space. Against an NHL goalie.

Yeah, basically same chance of scoring