provided the forward depth at wing is relatively consistent they could easily keep ice time similar and give more or less to guys as needed. depth isnt a bad thing.

You also shouldnt be paying your top defenseman 925k a year. The contracts are what they are.
- YuenglingJagr

AMac took a pay cut?

Patrick's not going to be playing the left wall.

13 ES minutes and 4 PP minutes for 19-20 Giroux. Which is what Simmonds had in 16-17.
- Feanor

Why not. He's also a right handed shot.

But you also have to remember they have a new PP coach so the look/philosophy might not be exactly the same.

I was more thinking of Mike Knuble/Joe Thornton/Mario Lemieux...but sure, he works.

By the way, that was 10000% sarcasm.
- jmatchett383

Touche

Drafted by the Flyers this year. Starred for Russia at the Under-18 Worlds earlier this year and has put up excellent numbers at the Russian junior levels. From there, we will see.
- bmeltzer

Thanks!

what if he wants 6-7-8 years?
- nastyflyergirl

Structure the payments properly and in the out years he can be traded to some lame team that needs cap hits to reach the floor.

Thanks!
- Scoob

I'm loving the depth Hexy has acquired at defense and goalie through the draft. Even the forward depth is getting impressive.

Trust the process.

I'm loving the depth Hexy has acquired at defense and goalie through the draft. Even the forward depth is getting impressive.

Trust the process.

- MBFlyerfan

So we're trading Provorov, Konecny, and Sanheim for picks this offseason?

So we're trading Provorov, Konecny, and Sanheim for picks this offseason?
- jmatchett383

yes, you're really getting the hang of this

Well if he is your 3rd center, like it was suggested, how many minutes you think he'll get. Will he still be your top PP guy knowing you now could have Patrick on the top unit.

Seems like a lot of money to pay a 3rd center, PP specialist.
- J35Bacher

Well yes, if that happens he will be overpaid for his role, but not by much. It’s not as if he would be a plug and chug-VDV type player. He will still take a lot of important draws, and he’ll still one of the better PP players in the league. That player may not be worth 8m, but certainly would be worth more than half of the contract, say 5mil.

I think they will make the playoffs this year. Not because of any moves but I expect a bounce back from Giroux and Voracek and an increase in production from Couturier. Solid seasons from some of the youth and I think they get in.

Are they a cup contender..NO. but could they make things interesting like Toronto...They could.
- J35Bacher

I think Giroux is the wildcard. Despite being a Flyer, he is one of my favorite players but something was wrong with him this past year. He is not a 14g a year player and I think he bounces back. Voracek last is year probably is who he is so that's probably what you get.
Toronto made things interesting after they got rid of their best player Kessel. Yes they were very fortunate to get Matthews but they also got a really good young player in Kapanen. That's why I think if the Flyers are out of the playoffs come the TDL you move Simmonds while he still has a year left to maximize the return.

Simmonds' season wasn't better than Giroux's or Voracek's, apart from his PK work. They all suffered from the same issue of struggling at 5 on 5.
- Feanor

I never said it was. The entire team for the most part struggled to score at 5 on 5. They were a team that registered a solid amount of shots but did not generate enough quality shots. I firmly believe that Simmonds is capable of being a very good player at 5 on 5 once the quality and talent of the team is improved.

I dont think anyone has said Simmonds isn't worth resigning

okay there was that one guy who said to let him walk
- YuenglingJagr

Semantics.

Why not. He's also a right handed shot.

But you also have to remember they have a new PP coach so the look/philosophy might not be exactly the same.
- J35Bacher

I don't think Patrick will play the wall because a. it's not his skill set and b. it's Claude's best spot on the PP. He's one of the best in the league there.

So we're trading Provorov, Konecny, and Sanheim for picks this offseason?
- jmatchett383

LOL

NOBODY is saying he isn't worth resigning. What people are rightly worried about is that he will be a 35, 36, 37 year old player with 6.5 million cap hit who is not nearly earning it.

That has to be factored in.
- MBFlyerfan

Of course it does but you also can't discount the value of the years between 31 and 35. Also can't discount the possibility that he remains a quality player for the life of the contract. That also has to be factored in.

I think Giroux is the wildcard. Despite being a Flyer, he is one of my favorite players but something was wrong with him this past year. He is not a 14g a year player and I think he bounces back. Voracek last is year probably is who he is so that's probably what you get.
Toronto made things interesting after they got rid of their best player Kessel. Yes they were very fortunate to get Matthews but they also got a really good young player in Kapanen. That's why I think if the Flyers are out of the playoffs come the TDL you move Simmonds while he still has a year left to maximize the return.
- all-pgh

I dont think he ever fully recovered from offseason hip surgery and he lost confidence. He used to be a guy who played physical and got to the net. A guy who carried the puck and imposed himself on the game.

Last season he became a perimeter player who passed the puck way too often when in the past he would try to make a play or a move. He looked tentative.

Hopefully being healthy gets some of that confidence back.

I think Giroux is the wildcard. Despite being a Flyer, he is one of my favorite players but something was wrong with him this past year. He is not a 14g a year player and I think he bounces back. Voracek last is year probably is who he is so that's probably what you get.
Toronto made things interesting after they got rid of their best player Kessel. Yes they were very fortunate to get Matthews but they also got a really good young player in Kapanen. That's why I think if the Flyers are out of the playoffs come the TDL you move Simmonds while he still has a year left to maximize the return.
- all-pgh

LOL so Voracek is who is he, despite the fact that he took under 400 shots for the first time in 3 years. Career low shooting percentage. An on ice save percentage under 90%...

If the Flyers can win the Stanley Cup with Giroux as an 8M a year 3rd line center and PP specialist, I'm all in!

Of course it does but you also can't discount the value of the years between 31 and 35. Also can't discount the possibility that he remains a quality player for the life of the contract. That also has to be factored in.
- MJL

Sure it does. But if they keep him I would prefer to sign him for that 4 years, even if the cap hit is slightly higher because of it.

For a guy that is probably 175 lbs soaking wet, he has been remarkably durable for the role he plays. Can that last? I don't know.

I'm just playing the odds here. And I would prefer the team play it conservatively, try to get him for 4 years, and if not, trade him at THIS years deadline where the return quite frankly would be tremendous.

As long as Simmonds play doesn't drop off in the next year, I would have zero hesitation in signing him to a 5 year deal with a reasonable cap hit in the 6M range.
- MJL

The Flyers literally NEED Simmonds to have another 30 goal season. Guys usually see their offensive numbers start to fade in their late 20s but there are exceptions. Hopefully, Simmonds is one of the exceptions. I'd pay him, although 5 is a lot of years.

Sure it does. But if they keep him I would prefer to sign him for that 4 years, even if the cap hit is slightly higher because of it.

For a guy that is probably 175 lbs soaking wet, he has been remarkably durable for the role he plays. Can that last? I don't know.

I'm just playing the odds here. And I would prefer the team play it conservatively, try to get him for 4 years, and if not, trade him at THIS years deadline where the return quite frankly would be tremendous.
- MBFlyerfan

that timeline isnt realistic...offseason deal would be a better return anyway

The Flyers literally NEED Simmonds to have another 30 goal season. Guys usually see their offensive numbers start to fade in their late 20s but there are exceptions. Hopefully, Simmonds is one of the exceptions. I'd pay him, although 5 is a lot of years.
- fls13

His goal scoring seems pretty sustainable. That isn't really the issue for me

LOL so Voracek is who is he, despite the fact that he took under 400 shots for the first time in 3 years. Career low shooting percentage. An on ice save percentage under 90%...
- YuenglingJagr

So when he took over 400 shots the previous three years he averaged 18.6g a year. He scored 20 last year. The past four years he averaged 19g, so yeah, he is who he is.

that timeline isnt realistic...offseason deal would be a better return anyway
- YuenglingJagr

Not really. if you move him at this TDL the acquiring team has him for the playoff run AND next year before having to commit big money and term.

An off season trade means you get him one year and then your paying him. His contract makes him very valuable for what he can bring.

Sure it does. But if they keep him I would prefer to sign him for that 4 years, even if the cap hit is slightly higher because of it.

For a guy that is probably 175 lbs soaking wet, he has been remarkably durable for the role he plays. Can that last? I don't know.

I'm just playing the odds here. And I would prefer the team play it conservatively, try to get him for 4 years, and if not, trade him at THIS years deadline where the return quite frankly would be tremendous.
- MBFlyerfan

I just think what the odds are is subjective. I think if they can come to a fair deal the odds are better of becoming a top team with Simmonds than without. That opinion for the record is also subjective.