Imo yes. What areas does he contribute to ? He's less talented ovechkin where if he's not scoring he's not impacting the game.
- Tfaehner

I don't see a basis for comparison. Ovechkin is a pure sniper (a generational talent in that regard) and Voracek is a better playmaker than shooters. They aren't the same style of player.

As for being one-dimensional, Voracek's speed and puck protection ability make him a weapon even when he's not scoring. He's one of the hardest players in the NHL to separate from the puck. Actually, he's more likely to force a play and turn the puck over that way than to be physically separated from the puck.

At junctures of his career, Voracek has also been a capable two-way player. He got away from it a bit when he started to score more goals -- developing more of a tendency to cheat out of the zone early -- but that hasn't always been the case.

Jake is one of there few good players at ES and he has the body type and skating ability that usually allows a guy to age pretty well. I wouldn't be looking to move him at this point.

If Giroux can have a solid, bounce back season this year, he would be the guy I'd prefer to move. He has a slight build and isn't a dynamic skater and I don't think he will age well. However moving him won't be easy for the following reasons.

1. He will be 31 at that point and still locked into 4 years with a cap hit of 8.275 per. The Flyers would likely have to eat somewhere between 25-50% of the contract to make a deal

2. He has a full NMC/NTC so you would have to send somewhere he wants to go which will make the deal that much harder to make.

If you are looking to get the best return, Simmonds is the logical guy to move.
- BiggE

Agree with this.

The big thing is Patrick. If he can have a solid season and show he can be your future number 1 then i think you can look to move Giroux.

Montreal is intriguing because they do have cap space and need a number 1 center. They also lose Plekanc's 6 million next season. The problem is return. Moving Giroux kind of makes me think of the Kessel trade to the pens. Toronto retained 1.25 million on his 8 million cap hit.

I must've been sleeping as I've never heard that very fun to say name.
- Scoob

Drafted by the Flyers this year. Starred for Russia at the Under-18 Worlds earlier this year and has put up excellent numbers at the Russian junior levels. From there, we will see.

If there is one player between Giroux, Voracek or Simmonds that I'd want most it would be Simmonds so I think his asking price will be very high. Makes no sense to take a smaller term than 6-7 years, he won't get paid again like this on his next contract.
- SnipeDevil6

It'll be his opportunity to cash in, as they say, he won't settle in my opinion. I'd be trading him if it were me.

Yes, even in a bad year for him, he led the team in points
- YuenglingJagr

He did but in terms of being one dimensional, points is only one side. I think Voracek is a very good player who will bounce back. Doesn't change that excuses for his season last year are being made. Both Voracek and Giroux didn't come close to earning their contracts last year. I think it was a fluke for both but I could very well be wrong. It's understandable when looking at all the factors that some would have doubts about both. Yet the one player who is very consistent year to year in Simmonds is not worth re-signing because he'll be 31.

Trade him, No player has ever been good in his mid 30s. Ever.
- jmatchett383

http://www.hockeydb.com/i...ats/pdisplay.php?pid=4739

Agree with this.

The big thing is Patrick. If he can have a solid season and show he can be your future number 1 then i think you can look to move Giroux.

Montreal is intriguing because they do have cap space and need a number 1 center. They also lose Plekanc's 6 million next season. The problem is return. Moving Giroux kind of makes me think of the Kessel trade to the pens. Toronto retained 1.25 million on his 8 million cap hit.
- J35Bacher

Vancouver got a poop return when they moved a star player with a NMC.

Giroux can still add a lot of value to this team even if he ends up playing behind Patrick and Couturier at 5 on 5 in a couple of years.

Giroux had a poor season because he only had 58 points and was -15 and didn't produce well 5 on 5. But Wayne Simmonds apparently had a great season.

- Feanor

Exactly...really need a reality check on expectations. Giroux and Jake make 8 million and Simmonds makes 4 so they should be twice as good!

Giroux's stats show signs of decline, but he still isn't that old. He can absolutely get back to being a useful even strength player and elite PP guy. Voracek had basically everything look ugly last year. Easy bounce back candidate

If he's adamant about a 7 or 8 year term then explore a trade.
- MJL

The most probable outcome.

He did but in terms of being one dimensional, points is only one side. I think Voracek is a very good player who will bounce back. Doesn't change that excuses for his season last year are being made. Both Voracek and Giroux didn't come close to earning their contracts last year. I think it was a fluke for both but I could very well be wrong. It's understandable when looking at all the factors that some would have doubts about both. Yet the one player who is very consistent year to year in Simmonds is not worth re-signing because he'll be 31.
- MJL

Simmonds' season wasn't better than Giroux's or Voracek's, apart from his PK work. They all suffered from the same issue of struggling at 5 on 5.

He did but in terms of being one dimensional, points is only one side. I think Voracek is a very good player who will bounce back. Doesn't change that excuses for his season last year are being made. Both Voracek and Giroux didn't come close to earning their contracts last year. I think it was a fluke for both but I could very well be wrong. It's understandable when looking at all the factors that some would have doubts about both. Yet the one player who is very consistent year to year in Simmonds is not worth re-signing because he'll be 31.
- MJL

I dont think anyone has said Simmonds isn't worth resigning

okay there was that one guy who said to let him walk

Vancouver got a poop return when they moved a star player with a NMC.

Giroux can still add a lot of value to this team even if he ends playing behind Patrick and Couturier at 5 on 5 in a couple of years.
- Feanor

I don't want an 8 million dollar players being my 3rd line center. they also will have youth coning up the middle in Rubstov, Vorobryev and also still have laughton and Vecchione.

Trade him, No player has ever been good in his mid 30s. Ever.
- jmatchett383

what if he wants 6-7-8 years?

I don't want an 8 million dollar players being my 3rd line center. they also will have youth coning up the middle in Rubstov, Vorobryev and also still have laughton and Vecchione.
- J35Bacher

It doesn't matter how how much he makes if centering a third line is what makes the team the best (even though saying 1st-4th lines is stupid)

I don't want an 8 million dollar players being my 3rd line center. they also will have youth coning up the middle in Rubstov, Vorobryev and also still have laughton and Vecchione.
- J35Bacher

None of those kids are guarantees to be top 9 NHL centers, let alone dominant PP and faceoff guys who score 50+ points in a down year.

Drafted by the Flyers this year. Starred for Russia at the Under-18 Worlds earlier this year and has put up excellent numbers at the Russian junior levels. From there, we will see.
- bmeltzer

is Ivan Fedotov out of the mix?

It doesn't matter how how much he makes if centering a third line is what makes the team the best (even though saying 1st-4th lines is stupid)
- YuenglingJagr

ok.

Not even playing line names.

If Giroux is your 3rd center now behind Couturier and Patrick how many minutes you think your giving him. At that point you could have Patrick on the top PP and your going to have to play some of your promising youth. I just don't think allocating 8 million to your 3rd center is great cap management.

The next big deal the Flyers will probably make is Provorov. Just say he shows and increase from year one to year two like Doughty did, he could go from his ELC to 7 million a season. He is already the Flyers top defender.

None of those kids are guarantees to be top 9 NHL centers, let alone dominant PP and faceoff guys who score 50+ points in a down year.
- Feanor

To be fair, Giroux in 3 years is not a guarantee to be that either...Not saying he's going to drop off a cliff, as I think he will rebound, but it is a possibility.

It doesn't matter how how much he makes if centering a third line is what makes the team the best (even though saying 1st-4th lines is stupid)
- YuenglingJagr

I put together a possible 19-20 lineup if Simmonds leaves. * means they haven't bee signed to an ELC yet.

Lindblom(23)-Patrick(21)-Konecny(22)
Rubtsov(21)-Couturier(26)-Voracek(30)
Laughton(25)-Giroux(31)-Allison*(21)
NAK(23)-Vorobyev(22)-Vecchione(26)
Weise(31), Fazleev(23)

In the AHL
Bardreau(26)
Laczynski*(22)
Marody*(22)
Kase*(22)
Warren*(22)
Twarynski*(21)
Laberge(21)
Bunnaman(21)
Salinitri*(21)
Frost(20)
Strome*(20)
Sushko*(20)
Ratcliffe(20)

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=4739
- DraftandDestroy

I was more thinking of Mike Knuble/Joe Thornton/Mario Lemieux...but sure, he works.

By the way, that was 10000% sarcasm.

To be fair, Giroux in 3 years is not a guarantee to be that either...Not saying he's going to drop off a cliff, as I think he will rebound, but it is a possibility.
- VladDrag

Well if he is your 3rd center, like it was suggested, how many minutes you think he'll get. Will he still be your top PP guy knowing you now could have Patrick on the top unit.

Seems like a lot of money to pay a 3rd center, PP specialist.

what if he wants 6-7-8 years?
- nastyflyergirl

At what cap hit?

ok.

Not even playing line names.

If Giroux is your 3rd center now behind Couturier and Patrick how many minutes you think your giving him. At that point you could have Patrick on the top PP
- J35Bacher

Patrick's not going to be playing the left wall.

13 ES minutes and 4 PP minutes for 19-20 Giroux. Which is what Simmonds had in 16-17.

He did but in terms of being one dimensional, points is only one side. I think Voracek is a very good player who will bounce back. Doesn't change that excuses for his season last year are being made. Both Voracek and Giroux didn't come close to earning their contracts last year. I think it was a fluke for both but I could very well be wrong. It's understandable when looking at all the factors that some would have doubts about both. Yet the one player who is very consistent year to year in Simmonds is not worth re-signing because he'll be 31.
- MJL

NOBODY is saying he isn't worth resigning. What people are rightly worried about is that he will be a 35, 36, 37 year old player with 6.5 million cap hit who is not nearly earning it.

That has to be factored in.

ok.

Not even playing line names.

If Giroux is your 3rd center now behind Couturier and Patrick how many minutes you think your giving him. At that point you could have Patrick on the top PP and your going to have to play some of your promising youth. I just don't think allocating 8 million to your 3rd center is great cap management.

The next big deal the Flyers will probably make is Provorov. Just say he shows and increase from year one to year two like Doughty did, he could go from his ELC to 7 million a season. He is already the Flyers top defender.
- J35Bacher

provided the forward depth at wing is relatively consistent they could easily keep ice time similar and give more or less to guys as needed. depth isnt a bad thing.

You also shouldnt be paying your top defenseman 925k a year. The contracts are what they are.