we lost two Schenn's
- YuenglingJagr

good point (lol)

The whole second unit hasn't been great.

I think the smartest thing is getting our best players on the ice, which i feel Couturier is one of them.
- J35Bacher

Yes, Couturier has been part of an entire second unit that hasn't been great. Is it unreasonable to believe that he might be part of that issue?

You can call him whatever you want even if he sits in the press box. The obvious point is 2nd line centers play on the PP and so should Couturier. Many of the other options don't have a track record to definitively state it's not the smartest use of the players on the team.
- MJL

Who was the 2C in CBJ last year?

Dubinksy (4 PP points) or Gagner (18 PP points)?

okay good point...play him due to the contractual obligation of being a 2nd line center (even though the team got better last year once he was able to be a 3C )
- YuenglingJagr

Hyperbole on your part as usual. Nothing to do with a contract. Has to do with the players ability and attributes. What is your basis for now calling Couturier a 3rd line center?

Never felt more alive tbh
- Mordecai

now i'm confused again.

Who was the 2C in CBJ last year?

Dubinksy (4 PP points) or Gagner (18 PP points)?
- Feanor

Don't know nor is it relevant.

he has been askin for it
- YuenglingJagr

i'll take your word for it.

Not every player is great in all situations
- YuenglingJagr

I think you'll see a totally different 2nd unit this year with the added skill. but you also have to be aware of what MJL said. by the time the 2nd unit gets on the ice there is only about 40 seconds. Till they get the zone and set up how much time do they actually have to make something happen.

I mean the 1st unit is starting in the zone and gets about a 1:10 but still this was only a middle of the pack PP but we don't talk about taking Simmonds Giroux Voracek or Gostisbehere off the top unit.

Even though I view him more like Michal Handzus, Couturier is our current Mike Richards or Keith Primeau. He might lack the same leadership but he's assigned to the toughest assignments easily. I would give him the "A" based on this alone.
- SuperSchennBros

not to mention his smile. far superior to any of those other scrubs.

hyperbole
- YuenglingJagr

So we have to play him on the power play in order to call him a 2nd line center? Who the hell cares. We have 6 seasons of data showing he is an excellent 5v5 player and not a very good 5v4 player. We now have even more options for PP personnel.

If they decide to put him out there I am okay with it because I think he is good enough, but I don't think it is the smartest use of the players on the team.
- YuenglingJagr

This is how I see it.

Don't know not is it relevant.
- MJL

Seems to me that a 4C having more points and getting more PP time than a 2C is very relevant.

now i'm confused again.
- hammarby31

- MBFlyerfan

I hate good things, too
- Scoob

It's okay that you are a sheeple

Yes, Couturier has been part of an entire second unit that hasn't been great. Is it unreasonable to believe that he might be part of that issue?
- YuenglingJagr

OK How about this.

The Flyers were 15th on the PP. Who is more at fault. The group that gets about 1:10-1:20 or the 2nd unit that maybe sees only about 40-30 seconds.

If the first group produces like they should then the worry about the 2nd unit should be minimal.

Not every player is great in all situations
- YuenglingJagr

Indeed. Provorov scored two points all season on PP2. Maybe Sanheim should replace him as the QB for that unit, but then if Provy isn't getting plenty of PP time the Official Rules say we can't call him a top pairing dman, even though top pairing refers to ES.

Indeed. Provorov scored two points all season on PP2. Maybe Sanheim should replace him as the QB for that unit, but then if Provy isn't getting plenty of PP time the Official Rules say we can't call him a top pairing dman, even though top pairing refers to ES.
- Feanor

All Hockeybuzz arguments should be solved via throat punching contests.

It's okay that you are a sheeple
- Mordecai

lol, typical response

OK How about this.

The Flyers were 15th on the PP. Who is more at fault. The group that gets about 1:10-1:20 or the 2nd unit that maybe sees only about 40-30 seconds.

If the first group produces like they should then the worry about the 2nd unit should be minimal.
- J35Bacher

How about this....How does Couturier score on the man advantage compared to other players on the Flyers? We can ignore the PP1 guys. It is just a matter of him getting more PP ice time with better players, right? So surely he compares favorably to others that aren't on PP1?

You guys can talk all morning about how he would be better if this or that happened, the bottom line is that every single statistic during his career hints to him not being very good with the man advantage.

You look at the same stats at even strength and Coots is a monster. Luckily, that is where most of the game is played and where the Flyers NEED the help.

Indeed. Provorov scored two points all season on PP2. Maybe Sanheim should replace him as the QB for that unit, but then if Provy isn't getting plenty of PP time the Official Rules say we can't call him a top pairing dman, even though top pairing refers to ES.


- Feanor

Chris Pronger, Nicklas Lidstrom, Bobby Orr, and Ray Bourque all were top pairing defensemen and played on the PP.

Clearly, unless you play on the PP, you're not a top pairing dman.

Hyperbole on your part as usual. Nothing to do with a contract. Has to do with the players ability and attributes. What is your basis for now calling Couturier a 3rd line center?
- MJL

Were you not paying attention last season when they got Filppula?

Seems to me that a 4C having more points and getting more PP time than a 2C is very relevant.
- Feanor

Don't see how it is. I did not state that a 4C can't have more PP time than a 2C has.

What I said is that Couturier is considered a 2C and that 2C generally plays on the PP. Do you dispute either of those statements? Yes or no?

Were you not paying attention last season when they got Filppula?
- YuenglingJagr

Filppula received less ice time in all 3 categories as a Flyer than Couturier averaged. So I'll ask you again, what is your basis for making that stament?