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YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Aug 7 @ 1:19 PM ET
I actually did have a guy tell me that once.


Don't have to be a genius to start a business.

- jaws1955

depends what you're selling, I guess

and to your last point, no you certainly don't
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 7 @ 1:19 PM ET
In my opinion there are a number of legitimate reasons to consider a trade of Simmonds.
- MJL


1. Edmonton offers you Connor McDavid in a trade.
2. Edmonton offers you Connor McDavid in some other way.
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Aug 7 @ 1:20 PM ET
Wayne Simmonds is not getting traded/signed/knighted/killed by a dragon until next summer, at the very earliest
- YuenglingJagr


HEY! I don't like what you are hinting at!
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Aug 7 @ 1:22 PM ET
1. Edmonton offers you Connor McDavid in a trade.
2. Edmonton offers you Connor McDavid in some other way.

- jmatchett383

Like, sexually?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 7 @ 1:23 PM ET
Like, sexually?
- Mordecai


When it comes to McDavid, you take what you can get.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Aug 7 @ 1:27 PM ET
Like, sexually?
- Mordecai


Thoughts and Prayers, Young Connor.

YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Aug 7 @ 1:29 PM ET
When it comes to McDavid, you take what you can get.
- jmatchett383

So you'd trade Wayne Simmonds for the chance to perform sex on Connor McDavid?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 7 @ 1:32 PM ET
So you'd trade Wayne Simmonds for the chance to perform sex on Connor McDavid?
- YuenglingJagr


Who said I'd perform on him???
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Aug 7 @ 1:33 PM ET
Who said I'd perform on him???
- jmatchett383

People say he's the fastest
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Aug 7 @ 1:35 PM ET
So you'd trade Wayne Simmonds for the chance to perform sex on Connor McDavid?
- YuenglingJagr


yes
jaws1955
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Blairstown, NJ
Joined: 12.30.2015

Aug 7 @ 1:54 PM ET
depends what you're selling, I guess

and to your last point, no you certainly don't

- YuenglingJagr


It doesn't matter what you are selling. Unless you are liquidating stale inventory to buy things you can turn for a profit, the company takes a hit.

That being said, I sold car in three different states for several different companies and brands. I did internet sales. Little to no actual profits on these deals and many were losers. It fed the service and parts departments and there were also volume deals from the MFGs on certain models that were pushing. Hundreds of dollars per car. If a couple deals pushed them over 50 cars and $500 per car from MFG then the last few of the month could be really cheap deals.

BTW, car deals, ALWAYS contact via internet and shop several dealers. Shop at the end of the month. Go in about 8 pm on the last day of the month. If you show you are ready to buy, they will give you a GREAT deal. Always trying to get those last few at the end of the month

YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Aug 7 @ 2:06 PM ET
It doesn't matter what you are selling. Unless you are liquidating stale inventory to buy things you can turn for a profit, the company takes a hit.

That being said, I sold car in three different states for several different companies and brands. I did internet sales. Little to no actual profits on these deals and many were losers. It fed the service and parts departments and there were also volume deals from the MFGs on certain models that were pushing. Hundreds of dollars per car. If a couple deals pushed them over 50 cars and $500 per car from MFG then the last few of the month could be really cheap deals.

BTW, car deals, ALWAYS contact via internet and shop several dealers. Shop at the end of the month. Go in about 8 pm on the last day of the month. If you show you are ready to buy, they will give you a GREAT deal. Always trying to get those last few at the end of the month

- jaws1955


you can sell stuff at a loss all the time if it leads to future sales

or if you just want marketshare
jaws1955
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Blairstown, NJ
Joined: 12.30.2015

Aug 7 @ 2:10 PM ET
you can sell stuff at a loss all the time if it leads to future sales

or if you just want marketshare

- YuenglingJagr


Still taking a hit short term betting that you can recoup with future sales or increased market. If that doesn't pan out oops, now go to plan B.
That is just a marketing strategy. It basically is just a form of advertising. Spending money to attract future business.
All stores do it. Ads on loss leaders placed in the back of the store so you pass all the other merchandise on your way in and out. They make money on the rest.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Aug 7 @ 2:12 PM ET
So you'd trade Wayne Simmonds for the chance to perform sex on Connor McDavid?
- YuenglingJagr

arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Aug 7 @ 2:20 PM ET
Many
- MJL


Please list these many players... remember I said worth it for the 5/6 years. Not a couple. These contracts often turn out to be buyouts or burdens.

EDIT: I was pretty specific looking back, power forward wingers. Perhaps that's a tad unfair in filtering out players you had in mind.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Aug 7 @ 2:28 PM ET
I've been on board with what Hextall has done. I understand that we're not a contender at the moment and that we're building towards it.

However, should Hextall trade Simmonds, I'm probably gonna be done with him. I'm not a Hinkie fan, where you just keep trading veterans for picks/prospects, then once the picks/prospects become veterans, shipping them out for picks/prospects.

By doing so, you are basically rebuilding for eternity and have no deadline to actually start building a team. I'm not cool with a 10+ year rebuild.

Unless there is a ridiculous trade or he demands an unreasonable deal, I see no reason whatsoever to trade arguably the premier power forward in the league.

- jmatchett383



if Simmonds is traded I would think it would be about their ability to re-sign him at a term they can live with. I love Simmonds but I can honestly say if a 31 YO Simmonds is looking for 7 years, I would probably fall in the trade Simmonds camp.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 7 @ 2:36 PM ET
Please list these many players... remember I said worth it for the 5/6 years. Not a couple. These contracts often turn out to be buyouts or burdens.

EDIT: I was pretty specific looking back, power forward wingers. Perhaps that's a tad unfair in filtering out players you had in mind.

- arichardson22



I'm not going to get into that. I anticipated this would be your next reply. The history of the NHL is long. Do I honestly have to prove that there are many examples of players that signed long term deals later in their careers that turned out to be good deals.?There are certainly some risks involved. That doesn't mean that you automatically decline re-signing a player in that situation.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 7 @ 2:37 PM ET
if Simmonds is traded I would think it would be about their ability to re-sign him at a term they can live with. I love Simmonds but I can honestly say if a 31 YO Simmonds is looking for 7 years, I would probably fall in the trade Simmonds camp.
- nastyflyergirl



Agreed.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Aug 7 @ 2:44 PM ET
On to more pressing issues...

Will Chris Conner get the call from granato to don the Stars and Stripes?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 7 @ 2:47 PM ET
On to more pressing issues...

Will Chris VandeVelde get the call from granato to don the Stars and Stripes?

- Just5


ftfy
VladDrag
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 01.13.2009

Aug 7 @ 2:53 PM ET
I have them both beat though, be honest

My Coolguy For % is in the stratosphere

- Giroux_Is_God


Cool people never say stuff like that.
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Aug 7 @ 2:54 PM ET
I'm not going to get into that. I anticipated this would be your next reply. The history of the NHL is long. Do I honestly have to prove that there are many examples of players that signed long term deals later in their careers that turned out to be good deals.?There are certainly some risks involved. That doesn't mean that you automatically decline re-signing a player in that situation.
- MJL


You anticipated correctly lol but Fair enough, I should have also specified in today's NHL / salary cap era. Id like to resign Wayne, but let's be honest, he doesn't deserve any kind of team discount with how he's performed, and at the time of his free agency status it could be his last opportunity to cash in big for the first time in his career.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Aug 7 @ 2:54 PM ET
Cool people never say stuff like that.
- VladDrag

YEAH LIKE YOU WOULD KNOW
jaws1955
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Blairstown, NJ
Joined: 12.30.2015

Aug 7 @ 2:55 PM ET
if Simmonds is traded I would think it would be about their ability to re-sign him at a term they can live with. I love Simmonds but I can honestly say if a 31 YO Simmonds is looking for 7 years, I would probably fall in the trade Simmonds camp.
- nastyflyergirl



As much as I love Simmer, This is exactly where I am at. No G, Jake or even Oshie deal for 31 yo Simmonds.
It will be term more than cap hit that torpedoes this.
VladDrag
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 01.13.2009

Aug 7 @ 2:57 PM ET
YEAH LIKE YOU WOULD KNOW
- Giroux_Is_God


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCYr2WK9WNM

It's from Hannibal Buress stand up.

Edit: If you want to find fast forward to it, start at 4:10.
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