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johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Aug 7 @ 12:54 PM ET
Re-evaluate at the end of the 2019 season.

That is the most logical answer to all of this.

Next Topic:

Patrick will be a RFA at the end of the 2020 season. Should the Flyers trade him now??

- Streit2ThePoint


Isn't he already a bust because he didn't dominate at development camp?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 7 @ 12:55 PM ET
Re-evaluate at the end of the 2019 season.

That is the most logical answer to all of this.

Next Topic:

Patrick will be a RFA at the end of the 2020 season. Should the Flyers trade him now??

- Streit2ThePoint


The time frame for a decision to be made is earlier than that. Most likely next Summer.
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Aug 7 @ 12:56 PM ET
The time frame for a decision to be made is earlier than that. Most likely next Summer.
- MJL


My point is people are reacting too soon, IMHO
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Aug 7 @ 12:57 PM ET
Isn't he already a bust because he didn't dominate at development camp?
- johndewar

He's LITRILLY HURT ALL THE TIME
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Aug 7 @ 12:57 PM ET
Isn't he already a bust because he didn't dominate at development camp?
- johndewar


Since he didn't play his value is at an all time low. If I learned anything in economics is that you always sell low.
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Aug 7 @ 12:57 PM ET
My point is people are reacting too soon, IMHO
- Streit2ThePoint

Summer 2017 is very exciting
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Aug 7 @ 12:58 PM ET
My point is people are reacting too soon, IMHO
- Streit2ThePoint

I'd like to come out and say now that my whole line of thinking (i.e. opening up to a possible trade scenario) happens next season, not this season. Guess I didn't really say that did I.

No, I would not trade Simmonds this year, absolutely not.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 7 @ 12:58 PM ET
My point is people are reacting too soon, IMHO
- Streit2ThePoint


I think it's being generated more by the hum drum part of the off season and just looking for something to talk about.
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

Aug 7 @ 12:58 PM ET
If Giroux is meh this year and Patrick shows to be a mature player then i might look to move Giroux first.
- J35Bacher

Yeah honestly, this is a do-or-die year for Giroux.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Aug 7 @ 12:58 PM ET
Since he didn't play his value is at an all time low. If I learned anything in economics is that you always sell low.
- Streit2ThePoint

Bigh high, sell low
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Aug 7 @ 12:58 PM ET
Since he didn't play his value is at an all time low. If I learned anything in economics is that you always sell low.
- Streit2ThePoint


Seems legit.

I just hope we can get a 4th rounder for him.

#sad
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Aug 7 @ 12:59 PM ET
Mordy I just compared Schenn and Simmer's possession stats and although I'm not as good at you and Mono at them they are remarkably similar
rinaldo
Joined: 05.10.2011

Aug 7 @ 1:01 PM ET
Career 50% CF and CFrel of -4ish%. G/60 he hovers 0.8-1. P/60 around 1.5.

5v5 he's rough. Clearly it's offset by his PP skill though.

- Giroux_Is_God

lol
jaws1955
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Blairstown, NJ
Joined: 12.30.2015

Aug 7 @ 1:01 PM ET
Some of the reasoning for trading Simmonds is what I have an issue with.
- MJL


The only real reason to trade him is if he prices himself out of Hexy's comfort zone for Dollars or term or BOTH!

The other reason is if you get a Schenn return, Two first and perhaps a younger player back, a prospect or on an ELC with some upside.

Or getting someone like Druin. A basically unproven guy for a known 30 goal scorer.

Just spit balling here. Throwing out random thoughts that roll through my head.
We have no idea what Hexy thinks nor will we have any clue when it happens. I don't see him walking away for nothing at the end of his deal. Either he re-ups or gone for a big haul.

Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Aug 7 @ 1:02 PM ET
Mordy I just compared Schenn and Simmer's possession stats and although I'm not as good at you and Mono at them they are remarkably similar
- Giroux_Is_God

Simmonds is just better at being a cool guy basically when you boil it down.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Aug 7 @ 1:03 PM ET
Simmonds is just better at being a cool guy basically when you boil it down.
- Mordecai

I have them both beat though, be honest

My Coolguy For % is in the stratosphere
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Aug 7 @ 1:05 PM ET
I have them both beat though, be honest

My Coolguy For % is in the stratosphere

- Giroux_Is_God


We need to work on your Sick Dude/rel% tho
jaws1955
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Blairstown, NJ
Joined: 12.30.2015

Aug 7 @ 1:07 PM ET
Bigh high, sell low
- Giroux_Is_God



Two things. You can sell below cost if you make it up in volume!

I had a boss that had a picture on his wall of two bums on a park bench. The caption was " I was the low bidder on every job"!

good economics.

good thing you are a DR.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 7 @ 1:08 PM ET
I have them both beat though, be honest

My Coolguy For % is in the stratosphere

- Giroux_Is_God


Tainter Jainter #coolerthanyou
jaws1955
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Blairstown, NJ
Joined: 12.30.2015

Aug 7 @ 1:09 PM ET
Tainter Jainter #coolerthanyou
- jmatchett383

Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Aug 7 @ 1:10 PM ET
Tainter Jainter #coolerthanyou
- jmatchett383

I can't even be mad at this
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Aug 7 @ 1:10 PM ET
Two things. You can sell below cost if you make it up in volume!

I had a boss that had a picture on his wall of two bums on a park bench. The caption was " I was the low bidder on every job"!

good economics.

good thing you are a DR.

- jaws1955

jaws1955
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Blairstown, NJ
Joined: 12.30.2015

Aug 7 @ 1:14 PM ET

- YuenglingJagr


I actually did have a guy tell me that once.


Don't have to be a genius to start a business.

jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 7 @ 1:17 PM ET
Two things. You can sell below cost if you make it up in volume!

I had a boss that had a picture on his wall of two bums on a park bench. The caption was " I was the low bidder on every job"!

good economics.

good thing you are a DR.

- jaws1955


Well, in a corporate setting, you can sell low as long as you don't care about everyone else at the company.

We have a sales guy who sold a $150,000 analyzer for $60,000. When asked why, he replied, "I sell so much that I'm allowed to give whatever discounts I want." That speaks to corporate management, but just shows that you can be a very successful sales guy by selling low if all you care about is your commission and nothing else.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 7 @ 1:18 PM ET
The only real reason to trade him is if he prices himself out of Hexy's comfort zone for Dollars or term or BOTH!

The other reason is if you get a Schenn return, Two first and perhaps a younger player back, a prospect or on an ELC with some upside.

Or getting someone like Druin. A basically unproven guy for a known 30 goal scorer.

Just spit balling here. Throwing out random thoughts that roll through my head.
We have no idea what Hexy thinks nor will we have any clue when it happens. I don't see him walking away for nothing at the end of his deal. Either he re-ups or gone for a big haul.

- jaws1955


In my opinion there are a number of legitimate reasons to consider a trade of Simmonds.
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