I get it.

I still see a time coming up where one of Giroux/Voracek/Simmonds are not with the team.

If Patrick shows he can be the man then maybe it's Giroux, especially if he doesn't show a bounce back this season and you re up Simmonds.
- J35Bacher

I am assuming that G will have a better year than last season, but we'll seei. If he does AND Patrick shows top line center potential, it helps G stay on the team a bit longer. As G ages, he can slide to 2C (or however you want to label them).

My hunch is that Simmonds is the most likely to be traded.

We could always trade Simmonds and re-sign him when he hits free agency. Just sayin...

I get it.

I still see a time coming up where one of Giroux/Voracek/Simmonds are not with the team.

If Patrick shows he can be the man then maybe it's Giroux, especially if he doesn't show a bounce back this season and you re up Simmonds.
- J35Bacher

Assuming Patrick can be what we all hope, I think Simmonds is the least replaceable of those 3.

To me, if it falls between losing one of Giroux or Simmonds, depending on what Giroux does this year, I'm keeping Simmonds despite how much I like Giroux.

I kind of view it like Washington re-upping Oshie, they're going for it even though the contract won't be worth it at the end of the deal. However, their cap situation was horrible and cost them Johansen, which is why I said "kind of."
- jmatchett383

If Simmonds gets an Oshie contract I'd be very upset

If Simmonds gets an Oshie contract I'd be very upset
- Mordecai

If you're not willing to give Simmonds 5/6 years at $6M, then enjoy never seeing him lift a Cup here.

And yes, "We should give Simmonds the exact same contract that Washington gave to TJ Oshie," is exactly what I said. Exactly.

If you're not willing to give Simmonds 5/6 years at $6M, then enjoy never seeing him lift a Cup here.

And yes, "We should give Simmonds the exact same contract that Washington gave to TJ Oshie," is exactly what I said. Exactly.
- jmatchett383

LA was able to trade him and lift a cup?

I like Simmonds' game but i can't go above what i want to just sign a guy I like who will be hitting that age 30 when your not always sure what you get.

If you're not willing to give Simmonds 5/6 years at $6M, then enjoy never seeing him lift a Cup here.

And yes, "We should give Simmonds the exact same contract that Washington gave to TJ Oshie," is exactly what I said. Exactly.
- jmatchett383

I am not willing to give any 31 year old player a 5 or especially 6 year deal.

If you're not willing to give Simmonds 5/6 years at $6M, then enjoy never seeing him lift a Cup here.

And yes, "We should give Simmonds the exact same contract that Washington gave to TJ Oshie," is exactly what I said. Exactly.
- jmatchett383

5x6 would be fine. I wasnt disputing your point really, and I don't really think Hextall would give him the Oshie deal.

But if he did it would be bad.

If you're not willing to give Simmonds 5/6 years at $6M, then enjoy never seeing him lift a Cup here.

And yes, "We should give Simmonds the exact same contract that Washington gave to TJ Oshie," is exactly what I said. Exactly.
- jmatchett383

More referring to your previous post, but do you think the Flyers will be where the Caps are when it's time to give that contract to Wayne? At the moment, I don't know and because of this, I'm not ready to say goodbye to Simmonds just because his contract is up.

I think we'll have a better idea at this point next season. If they do move Simmonds, I think it would be around the 2018 draft.

If you're not willing to give Simmonds 5/6 years at $6M, then enjoy never seeing him lift a Cup here.

And yes, "We should give Simmonds the exact same contract that Washington gave to TJ Oshie," is exactly what I said. Exactly.
- jmatchett383

If Simmonds continues to play at the same level I would have no issue signing Simmonds to a 5 year extension. No reason not to.

LA was able to trade him and lift a cup?

I like Simmonds' game but i can't go above what i want to just sign a guy I like who will be hitting that age 30 when your not always sure what you get.
- J35Bacher

Yes...I don't see what the bolded has to do with this. Isn't that exactly what I said?

Hey, if the Flyers are able to trade him and win a Cup the following year, I'll be happy camper. But what LA did was trade 2 younger player for a veteran player, knowing that it would make them stronger in the short term. Wouldn't the Flyers be doing exactly the opposite by trading Simmonds?

If you're not willing to give Simmonds 5/6 years at $6M, then enjoy never seeing him lift a Cup here.

And yes, "We should give Simmonds the exact same contract that Washington gave to TJ Oshie," is exactly what I said. Exactly.
- jmatchett383

Then cya Wayne.

Love the guy, but 5/6 for $6 M at his age of FA, is not the smartest investment. Simmonds is not a big guy but plays a "big game." Idk how his body will adjust / handle the grind when 32-34 hit.

EDIT: you also have to consider FA/RFAs along those years to reup. Or even dipping into free agency when we actually have cap for it.

I am not willing to give any 31 year old player a 5 or especially 6 year deal.
- MBFlyerfan

I think Bill's suggest was a good one. You look for something more short term but maybe higher AAV. If that isn't ok then maybe you look to move him with a year left as his value would be higher.

RIP, DUTCH.
Those teams were a lot of fun to watch. I remember that 93 series. I was at the Flyers game the night it ended. Got out in time to get to a bar and watch the last two innings. It was sad watching the "Wild Thing" serve up that homer to Carter. That team was great and Dutch was the leader for sure.
Thanks for the great times. you will be missed.

More referring to your previous post, but do you think the Flyers will be where the Caps are when it's time to give that contract to Wayne? At the moment, I don't know and because of this, I'm not ready to say goodbye to Simmonds just because his contract is up.

I think we'll have a better idea at this point next season. If they do move Simmonds, I think it would be around the 2018 draft.
- VladDrag

I think the Flyers will be where the Caps are in the first 2-3 years after they re-up Simmonds. While I think he wouldn't live up to the back end of his deal, I think he would for the first 1-3 years that they can contend.

Gotta add my list to yesterday's discussion that I missed...

Top 10 Floyd Songs, in no particular order outside of Sheep being my favorite.

Sheep (Waters voice turning into the synth on all the long notes blew my mind first time I heard that)
Echoes
Great Gig in the Sky
Dogs
Welcome to the Machine
Time
Shine on You Crazy Diamond
Atom Heart Mother Suite
Comfortably Numb
Not Now John (I think Final Cut is very underrated)
- pinkfloydfreak

As a former USSR citizen I have a different perspective on that album. It was very difficult to put your hands on any of the Floyd albums behind the iron curtain, but that was almost impossible. Having it in one's possession could have led to very unpleasant conversations with the authorities. Reel- to- reel tapes were shared very carefully in very tight circles of friends.

Mono is more eloquent in describing this but people bash Schenn for his even strength scoring while Simmonds is pretty much in that same realm.

Then cya Wayne.

Love the guy, but 5/6 for $6 M at his age of FA, is not the smartest investment. Simmonds is not a big guy but plays a "big game." Idk how his body will adjust / handle the grind when 32-34 hit.

EDIT: you also have to consider FA/RFAs along those years to reup. Or even dipping into free agency when we actually have cap for it.
- arichardson22

Why is it not a smart investment if he remains a quality player?

No reason to do anything with simmonds. Don't trade him. Don't extend him early. See his contract out and evaluate him and the forward prospects at that time. Sometimes you lose guys in free agency. You don't need to get something for everyone. We need him for these next 2 years. After that no one knows if the flyers will need him

Landing Patrick changed everything for the flyers. There is no desperation to use a simmonds/giroux in a package to acquire a young center with 1C upside

Why is it not a smart investment if he remains a quality player?
- MJL

Here is a question. When do you offer him a deal? I know some want to let it play out but I get worried as players get closer to FA where agents know they can get bidding wars.


So would you start to negotiate this year? Also this year is a year where Simmonds, if still producing like before, could be it's highest as having the extra year on his deal makes him super attractive.

Here is a question. When do you offer him a deal? I know some want to let it play out but I get worried as players get closer to FA where agents know they can get bidding wars.


So would you start to negotiate this year? Also this year is a year where Simmonds, if still producing like before, could be it's highest as having the extra year on his deal makes him super attractive.
- J35Bacher

The rules of the CBA answer that question for you.

No reason to do anything with simmonds. Don't trade him. Don't extend him early. See his contract out and evaluate him and the forward prospects at that time. Sometimes you lose guys in free agency. You don't need to get something for everyone. We need him for these next 2 years. After that no one knows if the flyers will need him

Landing Patrick changed everything for the flyers. There is no desperation to use a simmonds/giroux in a package to acquire a young center with 1C upside
- Just5

Losing Siimonds to Free Agency and getting nothing for him would be horrendous asset management. Drafting Patrick did not change the need for quality wingers in the future

Then cya Wayne.

Love the guy, but 5/6 for $6 M at his age of FA, is not the smartest investment. Simmonds is not a big guy but plays a "big game." Idk how his body will adjust / handle the grind when 32-34 hit.

EDIT: you also have to consider FA/RFAs along those years to reup. Or even dipping into free agency when we actually have cap for it.
- arichardson22

Oshie has set the bar TODAY for a 31 year old power forward. Wayne's deal will be in two years. He has been better than Oshie for his entire career. If he cracks 35 goals this year and nudges 40 next year I can see a Jake - G type deal for him. I don't want to pay for past services. I want to pay for future rewards and increased performance. I don't see the services OR performance going up as he moves from 31 to 35 or 36 or God forbid 37. He plays a much "harder" game than either Jake or G. He may be a freak of nature and not start to break down and wear down but smart money says that he will slow down and it could be rapid and devastating to the team to be saddled with that contract. Look at G and Jake. They are both badly under performing their current deals and have way too many years left. Can the cap handle 3 of those deals? We have young guys to lock in.
I LOVE Simmer. He is my favorite Flyer. I would hate to see him go. This is how good teams stay good. Trade a year early instead of a year too late. You can't bury these contracts any more. If you make a bad signing it will bite you in the butt for a lot of years. You can't give a guy a 7-8 year deal at 31.

Losing Siimonds to Free Agency and getting nothing for him would be horrendous asset management
- MJL

it's only horrendous management if you don't plan for it. Let's say it's clear the flyers are ready to seriously compete in the playoffs during simmonds last year...while their power forward prospects are coming along nicely, do you really think hextall is going to trade simmonds next summer because he's worried about losing him in 2019? Why do you think hextall has built one of the very best prospect pools in the league? There is value in keeping around a simmonds for a playoff run, even if he's likely to leave

Oshie has set the bar TODAY for a 31 year old power forward. Wayne's deal will be in two years. He has been better than Oshie for his entire career. If he cracks 35 goals this year and nudges 40 next year I can see a Jake - G type deal for him. I don't want to pay for past services. I want to pay for future rewards and increased performance. I don't see the services OR performance going up as he moves from 31 to 35 or 36 or God forbid 37. He plays a much "harder" game than either Jake or G. He may be a freak of nature and not start to break down and wear down but smart money says that he will slow down and it could be rapid and devastating to the team to be saddled with that contract. Look at G and Jake. They are both badly under performing their current deals and have way too many years left. Can the cap handle 3 of those deals? We have young guys to lock in.
I LOVE Simmer. He is my favorite Flyer. I would hate to see him go. This is how good teams stay good. Trade a year early instead of a year too late. You can't bury these contracts any more. If you make a bad signing it will bite you in the butt for a lot of years. You can't give a guy a 7-8 year deal at 31.
- jaws1955

Is the idea just to stay good or is the idea to win the Cup?